War with...Iran?

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Hegseth: "no nation building quagmire, no democracy-building exercise"

They hate democracy, we see that here in the USA every day, but no nation-building either? In other words, just leave Iran to implode into conflict? There is no plan here, they want to break something and not own it but it's too late for that. Trump and the MAGA administration started this war and now MAGA owns it.
The line that I found truly frightening in Hegseth's speech was "No stupid rules of engagement"

That statement should be terrifying to anyone with a conscience.
 

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And then we have a Trump press conference where he decides to talk about curtains.

JFC, he did. In the middle of a news conference about Iran, he's talking about curtains. American servicemen are dying and Trump's bragging about the fucking drapes.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled coverage of Joe Biden being old and senile.
 

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The line that I found truly frightening in Hegseth's speech was "No stupid rules of engagement"

That statement should be terrifying to anyone with a conscience.

I would have said it is a statement made for conviction in a trial for crimes against humanity.
 

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If there's anything good that can come from all of this, it's that hopefully Tel Aviv can be made to look like Gaza.

Fingers crossed.
We get it, you deeply dislike Israel and what it’s doing. That’s fine, but can we please not wish death upon entire cities full of civilians? Who does this help?

And preemptively, no, I don’t want Iranian cities or Gaza burned to the ground either. Yes, I know it’s too late for Gaza.
 

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JFC, he did. In the middle of a news conference about Iran, he's talking about curtains. American servicemen are dying and Trump's bragging about the fucking drapes.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled coverage of Joe Biden being old and senile.

And he was talking about how he never gets bored... in the most monotone sleepy voice I could think of.
 

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We get it, you deeply dislike Israel and what it’s doing. That’s fine, but can we please not wish death upon entire cities full of civilians? Who does this help?

And preemptively, no, I don’t want Iranian cities or Gaza burned to the ground either. Yes, I know it’s too late for Gaza.

I'd prefer all children and any civilians who don't support the genocidal Netanyahu regime and/or the current war be evacuated first.

Just saying, actions, consequences, etc.
 

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Can we not have Iranian embedded tweets posted here, please? I don't to be on some sort of surveillance list because someone wanted to show off how much he dislikes Tel Aviv.

Is it functionally different from imbedded tweets by Israeli or Saudi or UAE or American officials?

Since there aren't any collaborating reports, I'm going to guess the absurd amount of inbounds are all fake too.

So Iranian disinformation embedded tweets, apparently

It's possible the image is a timelapse or composite instead of a single instant, can't say, but I've seen many many videos of strikes on Tel Aviv.

Also keep in mind many/most of those will have been intercepted. From what I've seen Israel hasn't quite run out of interceptors. Yet.
 
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It's possible the image is a timelapse or composite instead of a single instant, can't say, but I've seen many many videos of strikes on Tel Aviv.

Also keep in mind many/most of those will have been intercepted. From what I've seen Israel hasn't quite run out of interceptors. Yet.
A composite? Maybe.
But I think they are normally intercepted higher than that.

Regardless, it was produced and captioned to imply that some kind of overwhelming counterattack had landed.
 

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I'd prefer all children and any civilians who don't support the genocidal Netanyahu regime and/or the current war be evacuated first.

Just saying, actions, consequences, etc.
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Ok, just to be super-duper clear I'm posting this in yellow.

We don't call for genocide, glassing the middle east, wiping cities off the map, etc around here. You want to do those things, find somewhere else to do it. We don't call for extermination. t'challa-we-don't-do-that-here.gif

I know emotions are running high. Here's a hint: mine are too, and I don't want to put up with bullshit.
 

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The line that I found truly frightening in Hegseth's speech was "No stupid rules of engagement"

That statement should be terrifying to anyone with a conscience.
Want something even more frightening? Hegseth may well think he's bringing about Armageddon.

A combat-unit commander told non-commissioned officers at a briefing Monday that the Iran war is part of God’s plan and that Pres. Donald Trump was “anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth,” according to a complaint by a non-commissioned officer.

From Saturday morning through Monday night, more than 110 similar complaints about commanders in every branch of the military had been logged by the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF).

The complaints came from more than 40 different units spread across at least 30 military installations, the MRFF told me Monday night.

The MRFF is keeping the complainants anonymous to prevent retribution by the Defense Department. The Pentagon did not immediately respond to my request for comment.

One complainant identified themselves as a non-commissioned officer (NCO) in a unit currently outside the Iran combat zone but in Ready-Support status, deployable at any time. The NCO said they were Christian and emailed the MRFF on behalf of 15 troops, including at least 11 Christians, one Muslim, and one Jew. (Full email printed below.)

The NCO wrote to the MRFF that their commander “urged us to tell our troops that this was ‘all part of God’s divine plan’ and he specifically referenced numerous citations out of the Book of Revelation referring to Armageddon and the imminent return of Jesus Christ.”

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has enshrined evangelical Christianity at the uppermost levels of the U.S. military, airing monthly prayer meetings throughout the Pentagon. Last year, the Pentagon confirmed to me that Hegseth attends a weekly White House Bible study. It’s led by a preacher who says God commands America to support Israel.

https://open.substack.com/pub/jonat...m_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=web
 
And preemptively, no, I don’t want Iranian cities or Gaza burned to the ground either. Yes, I know it’s too late for Gaza.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Keep in mind what it takes for a genocidal nation to redeem itself. Germany had the Nuremberg trials, and still has its stolperstein. Israeli and American repentance will look something like that, and they're a long ways off.
 

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Pundits and politicians are saying "No one will mourn Khamenei." I think that's unconsciously dehumanizing.

The ABC here in Australia reported on the widespread protests in Pakistan and India in response to Ali Khamenei's killing. One man said "He is our leader, he's the world's leader, our communities' leader. It feels like my son's funeral is taking place." I don't doubt his sincerity.

I think Khamenei was unworthy of anyone's grief, and I don't support the calls for violence that went with the protests. But that doesn't place mourners outside the circle of who is a person.

Possibly the commentators mean "no-one in the west" or simply "no reasonable person" but if that's what they mean they should say it.
 

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Keep in mind what it takes for a genocidal nation to redeem itself. Germany had the Nuremberg trials, and still has its stolperstein. Israeli and American repentance will look something like that, and they're a long ways off.

Honestly so much of my frustration with what's happening in the world is that I know what you describe has a probability approaching zero.

It's simply not going to happen, either for the US or Israel.

And meanwhile we all have front row seats to genocide.

It's exhausting and infuriating.
 

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Rubio gave their rationale: Israel was 100% going to attack Iran and the US knew that their Middle East military assets would be targeted in the retaliation, so it was safer to join and participate the attack.

I'm not agreeing with them, I'm laying out their justification.



"we knew that if Iran was attacked ... they would immediately come after us and we were not going to sit there and absorb a blow."

View: https://x.com/Acyn/status/2028574121483993523

So, their justification is that the tail is wagging the dog, but doing worry because they are powerful strong leaders and masters of negotiation who could never be used by our 'allies' and already put America and Americans first. SMH.

d hate to see these particular dogs unleashed by the US but stand by my prediction that they will be used, particularly enforced by Hegseth’s commentary on being “politically correct”, and based on what I’ve learned from partially declassified systems that were trialed in Ukraine, to US recon drone systems, and to just how brutally effective improvised drone warfare has proven to be in Ukraine’s highly asymmetric defense of its territory.

My take is that Hegseth is saying that the US is going to murder the fuck out of as many ‘identified military age males’ as is possible during the presidential grace period for waging war, along with every other military asset within the country’s borders, and as identified elsewhere.
Somehow I don't doubt that. After all, the idea that Donald Trump or Pete Hegesth have learned any of the lessons that resulted in us adopting rules of engagement in the first place are... slim.... Who cares if it has never worked ever before, we are strong powerful leaders and....

I'm afraid that, soon enough we will see the consequences of Trump's cabinet picking targets.
 

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Honestly so much of my frustration with what's happening in the world is that I know what you describe has a probability approaching zero.

It's simply not going to happen, either for the US or Israel.

And meanwhile we all have front row seats to genocide.

It's exhausting and infuriating.
Yes. Yes it is exhausting and infuriating. Nuremberg-style trials are going to be necessary as a way to bring some closure, or people will still be going at it 100 years from now. Truth and reconciliation commissions too; someone will need to document all of this.

Do I think any of this is going to happen? Perhaps. Not likely, but a non-zero chance. I hope I’m wrong.
 

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Want something even more frightening? Hegseth may well think he's bringing about Armageddon.





https://open.substack.com/pub/jonat...m_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=web
Well Donald Trump does appear to be the Antichrist... soooo.... I suppose we should expect all the saved Christmas to up and vanish any day now....

..... ..............

....Now, if you will excuse me, I need to go bludgeon my head against a wall repeatedly until I achieve unconsciousness.
 

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God damn.
Do your part to not be a propaganda machine? Aside from this being an AI-generated fantasy by yet another antisemitic web user, the thread is turning into a shit show of emotional disinformation thanks to posters like you sharing (reused) propaganda instead of ya know, bringing something to the conversations here. Reported. Do better.
 

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@Zero Chill is taking a vacation because of the AI slop above. Remember: EXPLAIN why you’re posting something, and try to make sure it is real. If it’s a joke, make damn sure that’s clear.

Opinions can be all over the place. Misinformation isn’t welcome. Thanks to those who pointed it out.
 
I mean, in both examples it's the ultimate fault of the people who put the school in harms way. Its not like the US or Israel just blatantly aimed at schoolchildren. There isn't even any evidence that the ordinance flew off course. What it it DOES sound like is there was a packed school deliberately placed on top of a very important military target. I feel sorry for the kids who had nothing to do with any of this but the anger needs to be directed at Iran.
The blame is always on the person who pulled the trigger, or ordered the soldier to pull the trigger.

There is always a choice.

This entire war is a choice, and it wasn't Iranians who chose it.
 

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Somehow I don't doubt that. After all, the idea that Donald Trump or Pete Hegesth have learned any of the lessons that resulted in us adopting rules of engagement in the first place are... slim.... Who cares if it has never worked ever before, we are strong powerful leaders and....

I'm afraid that, soon enough we will see the consequences of Trump's cabinet picking targets.
If what @goates posted about Hegseth embracing the holy war aspect. Maybe he doesn’t know what Armageddon is per se but the citation of others in CIC mentioning it on a battalion and squad level support that he does and has been actively grooming service members for this eventuality—a fit with Donald’s reshaping of Pentagon leadership who MAGA no matter the command. Or he is simply falling to some crude interpretation of the old crusade rallying cries of Trump’s two gulf war predecessors. It’s hard to tell with such limited whistleblowing but extremely disconcerting.

On one hand, a small yield nuke would fulfill his remarks quite neatly, so perhaps they’re planning to fire off tactical nuclear devices in Iran say on hardened targets or just for effect, say in place of the slow process of sending in drones to deplete forces (or small groups of forces) again, doing so in ignorance that Japan didn’t submit because of the atom bombs. As uncomfortable for US warmongers to believe that Japan was already in process of surrendering they didn’t win WWII’s Pacific Campaign.

Any angle is uncomfortable here. It is turning into a regional conflagration quite fast, though I’ve now seen unconfirmed intelligence on just how quickly the Iranian launcher numbers have fallen since February 28th and am waiting to post them once confirmed.

Unsurprisingly the Intel shows that severe degradation is occurring as you’d expect after 1,000+ strikes by the USAF/IAF joint forces air strikes against air defense and offensive strike materiel would be, with air superiority looking likely today, ME time or tomorrow with the additional refueling tankers inbound for close air support and ATG attacks. Old playbook that’ll just set the country back hundreds of years without supporting a new government.

In the “no plan” lamenting of many concerned people posting here and elsewhere, I’m thinking even more Delta and IDF joint operations for assassinating more Guardsmen or remaining leadership are on the table whether any of us like it or not, in addition to more naval strikes until there are none left to make. Escalation, following old doctrine, but not without risk. And seemingly without checks and balances for the time being.

Furthermore, many of the US Middle-Eastern bases have now had penetrations of their air defenses by munitions as unsophisticated as Shahed drones. Perhaps the saturation strikes will lose their efficacy before one of Iran’s other neighbors decides to send forces in? A greater conflagration is terrifying considering just how much of the ancient world still resides in shooting distance, and has actively tried to modernize away from this kind of blunder back to the Stone Age yet remain armed with US and Russian weaponry.

As of tonight I’m not thinking quagmire, just a humanitarian and environmental nightmare with tremendous loss of life and billions more wasted. Bonus round of a newly radicalized generation or two of Iranians.
 
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Was it a vote? Wasnt it just the islamists hijacked the revolution and screwing over everybody that had been revolting for liberal democracy?
The Shah was brought down by an uneasy coalition of Iranian progressives who thought the Shah was making too few reforms too slowly, and radical Muslims who thought he was making too many too quickly. Each side thought they'd be able to seize control after the Shah fell. The progressives ended up being wrong.

I blame the countries who allowed Khomeini to live in exile, broadcasting Jihadist rhetoric (initially Iraq, who then threw him out when the rhetoric got out of hand, then Turkey & France). The broadcasts from France directly violated French law, being explicitly anti-semitic.
 
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That’s actually worse. That would mean that the US fired missiles into a civilian population but couldn’t be bothered to check if their targets were still valid.

And it’s ludicrous to excuse the US - the most powerful military the planet has ever seen with the most advanced intelligence gathering apparatus - for not having up to date intel on their targets. I don’t believe that for a second.

Either it was deliberate or it was neglect. Both are choices made. Neither excuses the slaughter of children.
I'm not saying it wasn't neglect, or justifying targeting kids. All I did was respond to a post which claimed it was bound to have been intentional.
The IAF has said it's hit 2500 targets as of yesterday evening (local time); although the US military has released a lot less detailed info so far, the estimates I've seen are that they hit 2x the targets (many are larger ones, as the US has been using B-2 bombers based in the US which carry huge amount of munitions).
That's a very large amount of targets for 3 days. Not surprising to me if there have been targeting mistakes (e.g., the 3 F-15Es shot down by Kuwaiti air defenses... Esp. given Iran does not have an Air Force any longer).
 
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And he was talking about how he never gets bored... in the most monotone sleepy voice I could think of.
You never get bored when your brain runs on a thirty second cycle of seeing or hearing something, getting excited as it clears all previous thoughts, then forgetting what you were talking about as you see or hear the next thing.
 
You never get bored when your brain runs on a thirty second cycle of seeing or hearing something, getting excited as it clears all previous thoughts, then forgetting what you were talking about as you see or hear the next thing.

The last couple of years should have revealed how Trump actually works. He's got a limited number of fixed ideas on a loop. Venezuela, Greenland, Iran, 2020 was stolen from him, and helping Russia win in Ukraine, and he's 94% bile by volume.

I suspect quite a lot of it is also him thinking he's fighting a shadow war with China as he keeps going after their sources of oil, but given the damage he's done to the US' diplomatic standing and increasingly magazine depth and operational commitments of its military they might have a different idea of who is getting value out of that than he does.
 
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If the Iraqi/Iranian Kurds play it smart they'd go for for unification within the Iraqi autonomous region, and as a means to compel the Baghdad government to actually stick with the notion of Iraq as a federal state.

I don't forsee the Baghdad government trying to "do something about it" as doing wonders for Iraqi stability ...
More re Kurds:
Axios claims Trump talked to Iraqi Kurdish factions the day after the war started trying to get them to support an uprising of the Iranian Kurds; there are already several Kurdish groups organizing in the background, in Iran as well as in Iraq.
https://www.axios.com/2026/03/02/trump-iran-war-kurds-iraq
No idea if this is true, but it's untrue that Israel still has close ties to Kurds in Syria & Iraq.
Israel did nothing do stop the recent massacres & rapes of Kurds in Syria by armed forces answering to the A-Shara'a gov't (whereas it did stop the massacre of Druz), and hasn't had close ties to Iraqi Kurds since Netanyahu returned to power in 2009.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Kurdistan_Region_relations
 

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How short or memory of history is, that we have already forgotten our military intervention in Libya. If turns out that NATO was neck deep in that mess and his death was a direct consequence of that intervention. Of course, that hasn't worked out well for the Libyans.
When you quote history, you might want to read it, and note, as I said. Libyans killed Gaddafi, I didnt say it wasnt made possible due to the French-led NATO intervention, but 'we' didnt kill him. Which normally would be a pedantic aside. I am only noting it to highlight the difference to the Iran war where the US is taking a much more direct role in fucking things up and violating the rules of war.

In Libya
a) A civil war was already happening when NATO intervened
b) The US under Obama refused to take part beyond providing intelligence to allies.
c) The NATO intervention didnt assassinate political leaders.

I feel it is important to note difference before both-sides idiots starts claiming Obama did the same as Trump
 
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More re Kurds:
Axios claims Trump talked to Iraqi Kurdish factions the day after the war started trying to get them to support an uprising of the Iranian Kurds; there are already several Kurdish groups organizing in the background, in Iran as well as in Iraq.
https://www.axios.com/2026/03/02/trump-iran-war-kurds-iraq
No idea if this is true, but it's untrue that Israel still has close ties to Kurds in Syria & Iraq.
Israel did nothing do stop the recent massacres & rapes of Kurds in Syria by armed forces answering to the A-Shara'a gov't (whereas it did stop the massacre of Druz), and hasn't had close ties to Iraqi Kurds since Netanyahu returned to power in 2009.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Kurdistan_Region_relations

Did he talk to Mr. Kurd? I understand he's got quite a close relationship with him.
 
That might be the most frightening thing I've read in a while. We're living in a "Christian" death cult, and Armageddon is the Kool Aid.
These calls have one damn thing in freaking common; our MRFF clients report the unrestricted euphoria of their commanders and command chains as to how this new “biblically-sanctioned” war is clearly the undeniable sign of the expeditious approach of the fundamentalist Christian “End Times" as vividly described in the New Testament Book of Revelation.

Many of their commanders are especially delighted with how graphic this battle will be zeroing in on how bloody all of this must become in order to fulfill and be in 100% accordance with fundamentalist Christian end of the world eschatology.
The lunatics are now in complete control of the asylum, and they have the keys to the nuclear arsenal (along with god knows what other WMDs are being stockpiled), and now their mission is to fulfill literal end times prophecy.

I don't think we're coming back from this one.

Might as well enjoy what days you have left.
 

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