War with...Iran?

Oh, come now, they never disliked military aggression. It's all the stuff we have done after the direct aggression is over to try and fix what we broke that they loathe. From their point of view, we are supposed to break things and then just leave whatever mess we make behind.
Which is actually hilarious because thats not far off from what US foreign policy was in regards the Middle East prior to 9/11. And what ultimately lead to it.

I knew people years ago who said they should have just nuked Afghanistan and be done with it. As if suicide bombers are somehow going to be scared off by a couple of nuclear strikes.

And then of course theres the people who couldnt be fucked to learn where the dino juice that fuels their duallies come from.
 
Unless Spain can shut the bases down and/or oust the U.S. forces and assets stationed there, the U.S. owns them.

That is part of the Trump Doctrine. It’s the mentality of an avowed, unapologetic rapist applied to geopolitics, and it looks like it’s working.
Power grows out of the barrel of a gun and all that.

And people still delude themselves into thinking any member of this administration is willingly leaving office, regardless of what any law or court says.
 
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25% of the population makes them more numerous than Black (12%) or Hispanic/Latino(18%) Americans, and almost as big as both groups combined. That's a big group of people who hold fundamentally irrational beliefs.
It's a larger group than that, by far.
Essentially every 2024 Trump voter was irrational, opposed to democracy, any kind of equality, and any consistent rule of law.
That's 49.8% of the 64% of eligible voters who voted, or more than 32% of the entire adult population.
 
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Local news media here are reporting the Iranian's regime Assembly of Experts (council of mullahs) has selected a replacement for Khamenei.
This is his son, Mojtaba Khamanei. He's a cleric from Qom, and has no previous government experience.

He's considered a hardliner on all issues, very much like his father, specifically supporting the massacre of demonstrators in the recent riots.
 

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Local news media here are reporting the Iranian's regime Assembly of Experts (council of mullahs) has selected a replacement for Khamenei.
This is his son, Mojtaba Khamanei. He's a cleric from Qom, and has no previous government experience.

He's considered a hardliner on all issues, very much like his father, specifically supporting the massacre of demonstrators in the recent riots.
You'd think that's basically a death sentence, no?
 

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It's a larger group than that, by far.
Essentially every 2024 Trump voter was irrational, opposed to democracy, any kind of equality, and any consistent rule of law.
That's 49.8% of the 64% of eligible voters who voted, or more than 32% of the entire adult population.
Man, when you paint with a brush, it's wide as fuck...
 

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US troops told that the war with Iran is to bring about Armageddon and the return of Jesus Christ

I knew Hegseth was a dangerous idiot, but this is very worrying.

Edit: I see I’m a little late to this one.

How is Hegseth different from the Iranian Mullahs? Both claim their violent acts are inspired and ordered by God.

I never thought I’d be seeing equivalence between the Islamic Republic and the USA.
He's
1) Christian which differs in details from Shia Islam (two and a half gods vs. one) and
2) has no religious authority that's recognized by anyone
3) arguably different God

and this is the important one

4) the US isn't meant to have a state religion. It's in the 1st Amendment.

All these officers that gave these speeches need to be expelled from the military. The upper eschelons including Hegseth and Trump need to be impeached and barred from federal office.
 

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He's
1) Christian which differs in details from Shia Islam (two and a half gods vs. one) and
2) has no religious authority that's recognized by anyone
3) arguably different God

and this is the important one

4) the US isn't meant to have a state religion. It's in the 1st Amendment.

All these officers that gave these speeches need to be expelled from the military. The upper eschelons including Hegseth and Trump need to be impeached and barred from federal office.

USA's churches have been intermingle with government functions for a long while now. I have not seen it personally, but it is it is not that uncommon to honor the USA military in churches settings. There are also stories that military give religious sermon while wearing their uniform.

USA have long "accept" these kind of practices, at least in last ~ 10 years or so. It does not make it right, but it it is what USA is dealing with.
 

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Could we please take the discussion regarding religious extremism in the US military to a different thread?

It's a problem that has existed for decades, it has only a tenuous connection to the war in Iran, and the relation to Hegseth specifically is based on a misreading of the article that first spawned this derail.
 

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That Substack article claims no such thing even though it uses Hegseth in the opening image.

The article reports that there were complaints about a unit commander stating that was the mission.

Hegseth is definitely enabling and emboldening Christian nationalism in the forces. Nonetheless he isn't quoted as saying this conflict is to bring Armageddon nor accused of telling his subordinates that.

Granted, it's only Tuesday


(Also trying to start or predict Armageddon is heretical by a plain reading of the Bible for what that's worth )
how do you explain that:
From Saturday morning through Monday night, more than 110 similar complaints about commanders in every branch of the military had been logged by the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF).
if it wasn't pushed down from the very top?
https://www.militaryreligiousfreedo...-plan-to-usher-in-the-return-of-jesus-christ/
You need to understand that this is fundamentally alien to those of us in Europe, the rest of the anglophone world and most of Africa, Asia and South America, where such beliefs would be seen as a sign of mental illness.
Oh, it is here too, but not by those currently in charge, who have that particular affliction.

Who had the Nehemiah Scudder timeline on their Bingo card?
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The U.S. military had a long tradition of saluting and obeying orders, as it should be. You do not want a military that thinks obeying is optional. The exception is illegal orders.
Are illegal orders really an exception? It seems like they're the rule these days.
 

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Would anyone like to join my protection racket? I got some mercenary mafiosos that would just hate if anything happened to your beautiful ship.
 
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A/P writes: Iranian strikes Amazon data centers -

The company’s cloud computing division, Amazon Web Services, said late Monday that two data centers in the United Arab Emirates were “directly struck” and another facility in Bahrain was also damaged after a drone landed nearby.

“These strikes have caused structural damage, disrupted power delivery to our infrastructure, and in some cases required fire suppression activities that resulted in additional water damage,” AWS said in an update on its online dashboard.
They suggested moving your "services" to other locations:

The company advised customers using servers in the Middle East to migrate to other regions, and direct online traffic away from the UAE and Bahrain.
 

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Yeah was going to say this isn’t a new idea and actually is a firmly held belief by large swaths of our country.
My evangelical christian yet pedo-Trump supporting relatives are actually trying to immigrate to the USA from Australia, even after everything that has happened, and what the Epstein files show.
Cults are crap. 😔
They are all not so covertly excited at the idea of end times and will turn a blind eye to the genocide of beown folk to bring it on.
 

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The Trump administration wants regime change in Iran, but also doesn't want to put American boots on the ground.

How do you solve those two opposing positions? Apparently, by funding local militant groups to do the overthrowing. What could possibly go wrong?

CIA working to arm Kurdish forces to spark uprising in Iran, sources say

CNN said:
The CIA is working to arm Kurdish forces with the aim of fomenting a popular uprising in Iran, multiple people familiar with the plan told CNN.

The Trump administration has been in active discussions with Iranian opposition groups and Kurdish leaders in Iraq about providing them with military support, the sources said.

Iranian Kurdish armed groups have thousands of forces operating along the Iraq-Iran border, primarily in Iraq’s Kurdistan region. Several of the groups have released public statements since the beginning of the war hinting at imminent action and urging Iranian military forces to defect. Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) has been striking Kurdish groups and said on Tuesday that it targeted Kurdish forces with dozens of drones.

[...]

Iranian Kurdish opposition forces are expected to take part in a ground operation in Western Iran, in the coming days, the senior Iranian Kurdish official told CNN.

“We believe we have a big chance now,” the source said, explaining the timing of the operation. The source added the militias expect US and Israeli support.

[...]

One person familiar with the discussions said that the idea would be for Kurdish armed forces to take on the Iranian security forces and pin them down to make it easier for unarmed Iranians in the major cities to turn out without getting massacred again as they were during unrest in January.

Another US official said the Kurds could help sow chaos in the region and stretch the Iranian regime’s military resources thin. Still other ideas have centered around whether the Kurds could take and hold territory in the northern part of Iran that would create a buffer zone for Israel.
 

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Local news media here are reporting the Iranian's regime Assembly of Experts (council of mullahs) has selected a replacement for Khamenei.
This is his son, Mojtaba Khamanei. He's a cleric from Qom, and has no previous government experience.

He's considered a hardliner on all issues, very much like his father, specifically supporting the massacre of demonstrators in the recent riots.
I've read reporting the Mojtaba is an absolute fanatic who studies scripture and explicitly maps out the milestones and prophecies to bring about the End Times. I can't find the new links, presently. Damn you Apple News and the endless scroll!!

So billions spent to replace the 86 year old fanatic with a young, energetic and reportedly even more fanatic successor.

Ignore the factions in US politics that are yearning for the Eschaton at your peril. They are literally calling the shots.

Edit: https://apple.news/AKV1h6q6QSxKk-jQh_cyQ2A
 
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I don't think they even care about goals -- it's about looking strong and decisive. Hell, Trump and his handlers already literally and unironically did the whole "some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make" bit.

They may as well have loaded the goal posts on the B-2's and bombed Iran with them.
Very publicly admitting you're not sure exactly why you started a war and don't have a plan for what comes after and oh by the way it was probably because some other country was going to attack Iran anyway and we wanted to get in on the party doesn't look strong and decisive to me.
 
And no the US did not refuse to take part, we dropped bombs on Libyan government forces, that's a big part of why I characterized it the way I did. Though we were hardly alone in our intervention.
To clarify further, IIRC NATO forces attacked and knocked out a convoy that was meant to carry the Libyan leader to safety shortly before the rebels caught up and killed him. That's quite a bit of agency in the outcome.
 
A/P writes: Iranian strikes Amazon data centers -


They suggested moving your "services" to other locations:
Iran ain't stupid. If a good chunk of global commerce runs on three "cloud" companies' infrastructure, which isn't protected by missile- and drone-defense weaponry (because that would cost money), ... Sorry, Jeff. I hope your mega-yacht is better protected than your data centers.
 

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Unless Spain can shut the bases down and/or oust the U.S. forces and assets stationed there, the U.S. owns them.

That is part of the Trump Doctrine. It’s the mentality of an avowed, unapologetic rapist applied to geopolitics, and it looks like it’s working.
I bet they can if they really want to. Cut off water and electricity. Park cranes in the runway approaches.

And that's just relatively passive options.
 

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You can see the goal post moving already.
Goal posts? Listen to these dumbfucks retconning the casus belli in realtime: https://www.npr.org/2026/03/03/nx-s1-5732968/iran-us-trump-war
President Trump shared a new reason why the U.S. began striking Iran over the weekend: "It was my opinion that they were going to attack first. They were going to attack if we didn't do it, they were going to attack first. I felt strongly about that," he said in the Oval Office Tuesday. He did not cite any intelligence to that effect.
Trump had previously said the U.S. launched strikes on Iran because it was close to having missiles that could reach the United States.
The U.S. and Israeli strikes began Saturday following weeks of a U.S. military buildup in the region — even as negotiations to try to reach a deal with Iran were ongoing.
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said Monday Operation Epic Fury has a focused mission: "Destroy Iranian offensive missiles, destroy Iranian missile production, destroy their navy and other security infrastructure and they will never have nuclear weapons."
And Secretary of State Marco Rubio surfaced another reason on Monday. "We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action. We knew that that would precipitate an attack against American forces. And we knew that if we didn't preemptively go after them before they launched those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties," Rubio said.
Forget not having a plan for the morning after, they can't even decide WHY we did it in the first place.
 

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how do you explain that:

if it wasn't pushed down from the very top?
https://www.militaryreligiousfreedo...-plan-to-usher-in-the-return-of-jesus-christ/
OK. This is weird. The MRRF statement page doesn't say much. Rather, it links to another MRRF page which is just a preview linked to the Substack article that in turn cites the MRRF

Bit of a circular reference.


Anyhow, the point was that people were outright stating that Hegseth had said it when the article didn't claim that. It's fine to infer it's coming from him. Everyone can have their own analysis of the facts
 

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Goal posts? Listen to these dumbfucks retconning the casus belli in realtime: https://www.npr.org/2026/03/03/nx-s1-5732968/iran-us-trump-war

Forget not having a plan for the morning after, they can't even decide WHY we did it in the first place.
Ii seems like Rubio was the one to tell the truth:

And Secretary of State Marco Rubio surfaced another reason on Monday. "We knew that there was going to be an Israeli action. We knew that that would precipitate an attack against American forces. And we knew that if we didn't preemptively go after them before they launched those attacks, we would suffer higher casualties," Rubio said.

Israeli and US Intelligence have sources so deep in Iranian government that they knew that the top leadership would all be together. Netanyahu has been waiting for this day for decades and decided to launch because he knew Trump was too weak to stop him. Hegseth and Vance want their Holy War and pushed Trump to join in because they are all insecure and have to pretend to be tough.

They had no plan other than playing along and pretending they were in control.
 

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Wait, I’m confused. Are all Jewish people synonymous with Israel or aren’t they?

I’ve been lead to believe that there’s a difference between the Israeli government and Jewish people writ large. Is that not the case? Many people have pointed out that all Jewish people cannot be blamed for the actions of the government of Israel, which seems like a pretty sensible position. I was making a criticism of the repeatedly demonstrated inordinate influence Israel has over U.S. politics, politicians, and policy. Not a statement about Jewish people nor about controlling everything.

Words can’t describe how often I’ve seen the word ‘Jew’ almost literally crossed out and replaced with ‘Israel,’ and then continue with the most obvious antisemitic tropes. Criticism of Israel is absolutely legit, but it’s employed as a cover for antisemitism so damned often.

But, I’m such an antisemitic goy that I have enough Jewish heritage to have been myself hunted by the Nazis, married into a half-Jewish family, celebrate Hanukkah with my children, and founded two different businesses with two different Jewish people (one of whom is Israeli), and regularly participate in their religious celebrations with them just so that I can get a closer look at the enemy… or something? So, I probably can’t tell the difference. 🤷‍♂️

‘My son in law is Jewish, and my favorite daughter converted; how can I say something antisemitic?’ — Donald Trump
‘I’m married to an Indian woman; how can I be racist?’ — JD Vance
‘I’m a woman! How can I say or do anything sexist?’ — Sarah Palin
‘I’m Black! I can’t be racist against Black people!’ — Clarence Thomas

Furthermo—

you know, what? I’m not doing this anymore. It’s been a good long run, and I’ll miss many of you, but casual antisemitism has become so pervasive in the Soapbox, and there’s been such a complete unwillingness to acknowledge it or engage in the slightest bit of introspection, that I’m done.

Farewell.
 

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Words can’t describe how often I’ve seen the word ‘Jew’ almost literally crossed out and replaced with ‘Israel,’ and then continue with the most obvious antisemitic tropes. Criticism of Israel is absolutely legit, but it’s employed as a cover for antisemitism so damned often.
Cool. That would be a great note if that’s what I were doing.

I’m LITERALLY TALKING ABOUT EXACTLY AND ONLY THE INFLUENCE OF THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT ON U.S. POLITICS.

As acutely evidenced by <flails hands around at the things happening>. We’re openly sh*tting on our NATO allies and neighboring trade partners. Threatening to annex and invade and economically disembowel them (see: Spain as recently as <checks notes> today). Meanwhile the U.S. launches a war that the American public didn’t want, wasn’t sold at all to anybody (least of all Congress), and that the maniac President himself spent over a decade extolling as a terrible idea, for which there appears to be absolutely no coherent plan and thus no goal or indication of when it can be considered won, the Israeli Prime Minister has had a hard-on for this for years, and by the U.S. government’s own claims is in no small part because Israel was going to launch an attack whether the U.S. wanted them to or not, despite the fact that the U.S. arms and aids the IDF.

It’s just the most brazen and egregious inversion of priorities, as it relates to the U.S. public, happening right now out in the open, but there are countless weird occurrences of similar outsized priority and cover provided to Israel that demonstrably have not been provided to other allies stretching back decades.

The horrible sh*t and atrocities that the Israeli government has gotten away with without so much as a sternly worded letter is crazy, and playing the antisemitism card when there’s none actually present just further enables that nonsense.

I am not being antisemitic. I’m not in any way convolving Jewish people with the Israeli government. You did that. Not me. I am clear that they’re entirely distinct entities. Evidenced regularly by the Jewish people in my life who regularly condemn Israel’s actions and influence over American politics.
 

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The Trump administration wants regime change in Iran, but also doesn't want to put American boots on the ground.

How do you solve those two opposing positions? Apparently, by funding local militant groups to do the overthrowing. What could possibly go wrong?

CIA working to arm Kurdish forces to spark uprising in Iran, sources say
The Kurds should know better by now than to trust the US. The new axis of evil - Russia, Israel and the US - shouldn't be trusted on anything.
 

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Words can’t describe how often I’ve seen the word ‘Jew’ almost literally crossed out and replaced with ‘Israel,’ and then continue with the most obvious antisemitic tropes. Criticism of Israel is absolutely legit, but it’s employed as a cover for antisemitism so damned often.



‘My son in law is Jewish, and my favorite daughter converted; how can I say something antisemitic?’ — Donald Trump
‘I’m married to an Indian woman; how can I be racist?’ — JD Vance
‘I’m a woman! How can I say or do anything sexist?’ — Sarah Palin
‘I’m Black! I can’t be racist against Black people!’ — Clarence Thomas

Furthermo—

you know, what? I’m not doing this anymore. It’s been a good long run, and I’ll miss many of you, but casual antisemitism has become so pervasive in the Soapbox, and there’s been such a complete unwillingness to acknowledge it or engage in the slightest bit of introspection, that I’m done.

Farewell.
Dude, on this one you’re overreacting. I’m right there with you on casual antisemitism being a problem.
However, it is reasonable to criticize Israel, including that for whatever reason Trump is going along with what Israel does, without being anti-semetic.
Netanyahu rightly assumed that the US would go along with the attack, which is what was stated by Rubio. That’s not a Jewish thing at all.

It would be disappointing to lose your voice here. I feel you provide valuable contributions and enjoy hearing your perspective.
 
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Dude, on this one you’re overreacting. I’m right there with you on casual antisemitism being a problem.
However, it is reasonable to criticize Israel, including that for whatever reason Trump is going along with what Israel does, without being anti-semetic.
Netanyahu rightly assumed that the US would go along with the attack, which is what was stated by Rubio. That’s not a Jewish thing at all.

It would be disappointing to lose your voice here. I feel you provide valuable contributions and enjoy hearing your perspective.

I’m really not up for arguing this again. My final word is to clarify that this post:

Nah. Just like with corruption. Trump is just doing out in the open what was already the case behind closed doors for decades. The U.S. has been a client state of Israel my entire life.

Is a straight up recitation of the Zionist Occupied Government antisemitic conspiracy theory. If y’all want to believe that “The U.S. has been a client state of Israel [for your] entire life,” just know that you’re buying into an argument that antisemites have been pushing for eons.
 
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Iran ain't stupid. If a good chunk of global commerce runs on three "cloud" companies' infrastructure, which isn't protected by missile- and drone-defense weaponry (because that would cost money), ... Sorry, Jeff. I hope your mega-yacht is better protected than your data centers.
Im really struggling to not cheer for billionaire shitbags assets getting hit...
 

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Senator Richard Blumenthal, coming out of a briefing with SOS Rubio, says he's really concerned about the possibility of US boots on the ground in Iran and that there are still no clear objectives for the US:


View: https://youtu.be/BizhPMxrSqU?si=t0scU2zVEx-mBHPn


We are four days into the war.
 

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I've not been able to confirm that this 1.1 Bil$ radar site was hit to the extent being claimed. Anyone have any hard evidence either way?

"US AN/FPS-132 early warning radar system at Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar, valued at $1.1 billion, which was hit with a missile strike by Iran on Saturday. Qatar confirmed that the radar was hit and damaged."

I mean if the Qatari's are admitting it got hit, billion dollar sensitive instruments generally require complete rebuilds after a missile hit. Iran is showing that there are big holes in the defenses of the West. I don't imagine they'll be able to sustain it after a few more days of US/Israel strikes on anything that resembles a target there, but you would think that 1.1 billion dollar radar specifically for tracking ballistic missiles might have a some anti - BM assets protecting it. Apparently not, or they don't work.