War with...Iran?
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Is there any country with any significant population anywhere in the world that wouldn't have some subset of the population dancing in the streets if their government was overthrown?
Certainly if Trump was assassinated, I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see gleeful partying across the US. Likewise, if the January 6 insurrectionists had actually succeeded in killing Pence or some other prominent politician, there'd be people dancing on their respective graves.
You could justify literally anything of political consequence if your justification is people celebrating the act after-the-fact.
Can this discussion about religious fundamentalism in the USA and Europe be taken to a different thread?
Fake claims being believable doesn't make them not fake, and I would greatly appreciate it if the Soap Box isn't used as a vehicle for spreading misinformation.
The Trump administration has no shortage of vile, reprehensible, and outrageous behavior to point to, both in this conflict, and practically everything else they're involved in. There's zero need to invent falsehoods.
I don't think they even care about goals -- it's about looking strong and decisive. Hell, Trump and his handlers already literally and unironically did the whole "some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make" bit.
They may as well have loaded the goal posts on the B-2's and bombed Iran with them.
Could we please take the discussion regarding religious extremism in the US military to a different thread?
It's a problem that has existed for decades, it has only a tenuous connection to the war in Iran, and the relation to Hegseth specifically is based on a misreading of the article that first spawned this derail.
It's a problem that has existed for decades, it has only a tenuous connection to the war in Iran, and the relation to Hegseth specifically is based on a misreading of the article that first spawned this derail.
The Trump administration wants regime change in Iran, but also doesn't want to put American boots on the ground.
How do you solve those two opposing positions? Apparently, by funding local militant groups to do the overthrowing. What could possibly go wrong?
CIA working to arm Kurdish forces to spark uprising in Iran, sources say
How do you solve those two opposing positions? Apparently, by funding local militant groups to do the overthrowing. What could possibly go wrong?
CIA working to arm Kurdish forces to spark uprising in Iran, sources say
CNN said:
Iran has already shown their inability to damage the US and Israel's war-making capability with drones and missile launches during the 2025 Israel-Iran war, and Israel in particular demonstrated the ability to fend off mass missile strikes while degrading the opposition's ability to fire them during their combined campaigns on Gaza and Lebanon.
Ukraine's problems with Russia's missiles and drones aren't necessarily anything to do with the capabilities of those weapons themselves, but that Ukraine doesn't have any reliable way of disrupting their production.
The US and Israel have air superiority (if not outright air supremacy) over Iranian airspace, and are actively attack Iran's weapons facilities. The US and Israel don't need to have an inexhaustible supply of interceptors -- they just need to have enough to outlast Iran's existing missile stock, and there's a good chance that they do. Drones on their own can be intercepted by less expensive means.
Ukraine's problems with Russia's missiles and drones aren't necessarily anything to do with the capabilities of those weapons themselves, but that Ukraine doesn't have any reliable way of disrupting their production.
The US and Israel have air superiority (if not outright air supremacy) over Iranian airspace, and are actively attack Iran's weapons facilities. The US and Israel don't need to have an inexhaustible supply of interceptors -- they just need to have enough to outlast Iran's existing missile stock, and there's a good chance that they do. Drones on their own can be intercepted by less expensive means.
And who's going to fund that? Iran's leadership is in disarray, and while you may think of that as "dozens of newly autonomous regional commanders to stop", it's much more likely to wind up similar to Gaza where military weapons production and importation ceases because the institutions of society itself are too damaged to function beyond what's needed to eke out a basic existence.
When I say that Ukraine can't reliably disrupt Russia's weapons production, I'm not simply talking about the physical production, but the economic capabilities and motivations that underpin it.
Iran is simply in no place to sustain a long-term conflict with the combined might of the US and Israel. Last time they tried, they capitulated within 12 days, and that was with the US largely staying out of the fighting.
An explicitly foreign policy goal of Iran is the complete destruction of Israel. Combine that with Iran having directly attacked Israel, Iran funding, arming, and training proxy militants that have directly attacked Israel countless times, and Iran very obviously working to build nuclear weapons, which they would undoubtedly use to threaten Israel if not outright attack it.
Does it really come as a surprise that the Israeli public would support their own attack on a nation that has repeatedly threatened and attacked it over the course of Israel's existence as a country?
I'm sure if you polled the Ukrainian population on what they'd think of wide scale attacks on Russia, you'd see support with similar overwhelming majorities.
You are kidding yourself if you think Ukrainians wouldn't overwhelming support the toppling of the Russian government and the destruction of its military facilities and related industries, given the Ukrainian government had credible means to do so.
It's entirely possible that mainstream Western media did investigate that stuff, and didn't publish anything because they determined that it wasn't credible.
I caution Arsians against falling into the same "Why isn't the MSM talking about this?!?" rabbit hole that consumes many other communities that descend into conspiratorial thinking. Both Israel and Iran are known to engage in state-sponsored media manipulation (which is easier than ever with modern social media and generative AI), and I'm sure there's false information being spread by the other usual parties that have an interest in a party to this conflict losing.
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