Meta claims it will find other ways to hire employees from different backgrounds.
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Meta kills diversity programs, claiming DEI has become “too charged”
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Oh, I see you're among those who think DEI is affirmative action. You're so cute.
This is how I can tell you've never hired anybody. Qualified candidates are a dime a fucking dozen. Pick any one from your top five, top ten resumes, they'll all be able to do the job roughly as well. There are so few positions with requirements so specific and exacting that only one or two candidates could possibly fulfill them well, it's not even worth talking about.
Given that almost all of my final set of candidates are qualified, yes, I absolutely will choose to pick someone from a background not like mine, and not like that of the rest of the team, given the option. Of course I would. Diversity is not just something I like because I'm a tree-hugging liberal commie. I like it because it results in better outcomes, better ideas, and better teams. Stone-cold practicality here. Diversity is a qualification.
But it is fascinating and illuminating that you think qualified candidates are, as a rule, discriminated against by DEI programs.
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That’s not how DEI works at all but thanks for telling us that you are racist that gobbles up and repeats misinformation.
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You’re literally a fascist. Congrats bro. Hope your idols see this.
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Celery Man
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You clearly don’t get that humans will always act in the best interests of all of humanity if you remove all consequences for not acting in the best interests of all of humanity.
Duh
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What do employees of FB and Tesla/X/SpaceX think of how their companies are now being led by their "leaders"? I've not seen any stories about that in a while. Do average FB employees align with their new right-wing leader or are they as mortified at the level of kissing-the-ring as some of the rest of us? And then for Musk related companies, do employees like what he's become or is it just the job market that keeps them from leaving?
I'd never buy another product with Musks hands on it unless I truly had to, I'm trying to imagine what it's like to have my employment tied to such humans.
Curious minds want to know... (are you listening Ars, there is likely a series of stories here)
I'd never buy another product with Musks hands on it unless I truly had to, I'm trying to imagine what it's like to have my employment tied to such humans.
Curious minds want to know... (are you listening Ars, there is likely a series of stories here)
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The people I find important are scattered, literally and figuratively, across the globe. Unless I'm hopping on a plane every few weeks, there's no way I can sit down for a pleasant catch-up. There's a bunch of reasons weaning off FB and Meta products is hard, but the lack of an effective drop-in replacement for the "non-savvy" is legitimate. I'm hoping something spawns from this, much like how FB shouldered Myspace out of the way.
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You haven't put it into practice, so your perspective is useless.
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Exactly this. Corporate monoculture is a death sentence for a modern company and frankly the monocultures of the past produced mediocrity at best. The last 100 years of American corporate history have been rife with racism, sexism, etc and plenty of that within the working lifetime of some of today's senior leaders. Part of DEI is considering candidates that might otherwise be overlooked due to bias. Equally important is recognizing talent and readying those candidates who have been denied development and opportunity due to those same biases.
Speaking as a fairly senior leader in a global megacorp, there aren't "DEI candidates", there are just candidates. There's no "white guy ceiling" or thumb on the scale either. If you think another person got hired/promoted over you because of DEI, get over yourself and figure out how to be better for the next time.
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I’ve never seen such a big coward in my life! Has gone full MAGA orange azz kissing.
“Yes, master, anything you say master…..”
Grow a back bone zuck!
“Yes, master, anything you say master…..”
Grow a back bone zuck!
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It doesn’t take a lot to realize what’s wrong with “meritocracy” and why that’s a very disingenuous term.
Much of “merit” boils down to winning the birth lottery. Sure, you can point to people that worked hard to get out of disadvantaged situations, but they’re exceptions. Pretending things are based on “merit” while completely ignoring the massively unequal footing people start on is gaslighting at best. And, that’s finding a charitable term for it.
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This is great!!!!
I'm a test engineer who is a middle aged white guy: this will permit my job application to Meta to really stand out!
(Sarcasm obviously... )
Worst part: I run a hobby business that depends on a certain amount of social media attention: disconnecting from IG is going to be hard
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I'm a test engineer who is a middle aged white guy: this will permit my job application to Meta to really stand out!
(Sarcasm obviously... )
Worst part: I run a hobby business that depends on a certain amount of social media attention: disconnecting from IG is going to be hard
(not sarcastic)
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So as we get this movement away from DEI, how many years is it going to take before we get a wave of "pattern and practice" lawsuits for biased hiring and promotions? These programs exist to keep corporations from getting in trouble. And even with them, their hiring practices are typically pretty biased, so I can only imagine how it will look once they are gone.
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They're scared of being gunned down in the street. They know they're doing evil shit every day, so they're forming a little cabal.
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They don't care about merit, dude. When they envision a qualified candidate, they envision an affluent white man, or maaaaybe an Asian guy. They truly, in their hearts, cannot bring themselves to assume that a Latina, Black, LGBTQ+, or whatever candidate is equivalently qualified as the white one, let possibly alone more so, and certainly not that their backgrounds might be an asset even in a technical position.
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Mate, this is who he always was. Remember that Facebook has literally been happily used to coordinate genocide and was a major focal point of fostering the January 6, 2021 coup attempt. Literally the only reasons why Zuckerberg put in any of these policies in the first place was because he felt compelled to.
Now, with a fascist government in place, he once again feels free to be the bigot he is.
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chaos215bar2
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Well, actually. The comment might have had a point. Because whatever one might think of what the Republican party has become today, it's anything but conservative. People really need to stop using that word to refer to Republicans.
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...he says incredulously, genuinely unable to imagine someone actually caring enough to do so.
But, my dude? Yeah! I do. When there's an actual choice to make, bet your ass I buy from a company that's ethical in its management and practices.
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Do Not forget the reason Fuckerberg started FB, it was a way to rate women on campus.
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The billionaire tech bros are running the joint now... this is going to be rough for the next four years.
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As someone who has managed people for decades and has to interview people on a weekly basis, I can say with confidence, that even at organizations with strong DEI policies in place, you end up with many pockets of people that consistently only hire people that look like themselves. You can have anti-bias training and interview guidelines all you want, but a significant portion of pretty much every company will be dominated by white men that hire other white men for "real" jobs and women for jobs they feel women are suited for, based entirely on bullshit racist and sexist biases.
The only time I've seen real, significant progress on changing this type of culture is when hiring quotas were tied to bonuses. $$$ overcome bias.
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Bootlickers gonna bootlick the Nazis for profit.
The funny historical part is that it haven't actually helped them back then, and won't help them now either. They all got assimilated into the Nazi state, without any recourse...
The funny historical part is that it haven't actually helped them back then, and won't help them now either. They all got assimilated into the Nazi state, without any recourse...
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Not always no, but often. And some company owners are kind enough to be very public about how crappy they are so I don't have to find their bio, and integrate that crappiness into the product, so it makes the decision easy you know?
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A bunch of lurkers chomping at the bit to expose themselves no less. Imagine being here for years and deciding now's the time.
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That's what DEI is for. So racist assholes don't just circular-file the resume for someone with a surname they can't pronounce.
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Wild how many 10, 12 year old accounts with under 20 posts are jumping right into the fray to shitpost. Happens every time.
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I very frequently wonder how many of them are hijacked accounts, or if they're just alts for frequent posters to be able to take their masks off.
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