Meta kills diversity programs, claiming DEI has become “too charged”

Meta claims it will find other ways to hire employees from different backgrounds.

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[Tofystedeth]

Since color/gender/religion/nationality are generally not relevant to one's job duties, choosing to hire people based on those attributes strikes me as no more logical than declining to hire someone based on those attributes.

If I were a shareholder, I'd want them to focus on hiring the most qualified candidates, even if they're striped aliens from a species with three genders.

Weirdly, when companies say they just focus on qualifications and are race/gender/etc blind, what tends to happen is that the people doing the hiring hire mostly people who are like themselves.

 

[Tofystedeth]

Weirdly, when companies say they just focus on qualifications and are race/gender/etc blind, what tends to happen is that the people doing the hiring hire mostly people who are like themselves.

Also, I want to point out that I deliberately didn't specify a particular demographic they are most like or attribute it to malice. This is just how people are. We seek out familiarity and comfort and a lot of the time that means faces that look like ours. Names that sound like ours. People who went the same school as us. Diversity initiatives serve to help us be aware of unconscious biases so that we actually consider the candidates on their merits.

And diversity is on its own a merit to the company because diverse viewpoints and experiences mean diverse means of solving problems and seeing opportunities for new products and markets.

 

[Tofystedeth]

Do you check the owner's bio for every company whose product you use?

Not always no, but often. And some company owners are kind enough to be very public about how crappy they are so I don't have to find their bio, and integrate that crappiness into the product, so it makes the decision easy you know?

 

[Tofystedeth]

Race tells you nothing about a person's economic or class background and thus nothing about whether they've been at a disadvantage or an advantage growing up. If you grew up poor you were at a disadvantage to someone who grew up rich. Makes zero difference what race you were. If you grew up in a 2 parent household you were at an advantage compared to someone who was raised by a single parent, again race is irrelevant. DEI focuses the attention on things that are entirely irrelevant.

I grew up middle class so I was at an advantage compared to someone who grew up poor. I was raised by a single parent so I was at a disadvantage compared to someone raised in a 2 parent household.

Unfortunately in this country due to our several hundred year history very explicit racism, it does usually mean they're more likely to be poor, or to have come from a poor family. And generational trauma is real.

And since as you keep ignoring, we didn't solve racism in the 70s, there still a ton of racial (and gender based and SOGI based etc) discrimination.

Studies have shown that a resume with the name John on it is less likely to get hired than an identical one that says Jamal. Or Janice.

 

[Tofystedeth]

That's easy to fix as well. Just run their voice through a speech recognition program and use the exact same computer voice for all applicants. You could run into issues with people who have a super strong accent that the computer can't figure out, but if the computer can't understand them then I probably can't either so that's a legit problem for them not for me. Just as if they were the one in charge of hiring and it was me on the other side it would be a me problem, not a them problem.

I have coworkers on my team based in India who technically speak English but their accent is so strong that any time they call me I have to just tell them to send me an email because I can't understand them. From a technical standpoint they're fine but if the job required me being able to talk to them on the phone on a regular basis that would be impossible. I guess you could add a requirement for high level of linguistic skills to the job to get around that but I suspect there's not much overlap between people who speak 10 different languages and people who are IT experts. So I think I'm probably safe just sticking with English.

Your easy fixes keep adding a whole lot of work.

 

[Tofystedeth]

See this is the kind of comment that I have no problem laughing about but if I say something like that to the wrong person I get to talk to HR. Work gets pretty dull if I have to walk on eggshells with everyone I talk to. Pretty much nothing offends me, but that's not the case for a lot of people. If I have a project where I have to sit on a 6 hour troubleshooting call with someone, I'm going to request to work with the guy I can have a few laughs with rather than sit there in silence for 6 hours.

Have you considered the fact that the problem is that you and your jokes suck?

 

[Tofystedeth]

And look at how well it's worked. Have attitudes changed?

Existence of doubt in an concept is not the same as validity of doubt in the concept.

 

[Tofystedeth]

Looks like Facebook lost enough customers to start thinking.

DEI although being excellent idea on the surface with beautiful words in reality ruins trust to ground zero. Without trust there are no society. No sane person tolerates that circus thus companies bleeding trust within and losing customers degrading into bleak shadows of what they were.

DEI is a weapon of mass destruction for any company or community. Life isn’t fair, never was, never will be. Any attempts to substitute reality with fiction ends up in disaster. The longer it goes the larger the disaster is.

Zukerberg as CEO has an obligation to his employees and simply to survive in real world economy to cut out what destroys his company.

Time to admit we as a society tried to include everyone but this simply doesn’t work. Some people are handicapped and suporting them by providing basic income and place to live with dignity is a better and merciful choice than attempts to include everyone in creative process. You can’t teach a person without legs to walk, any attempts to do that will make you a moron. Including people who didn’t meant to be at workplaces or societal spaces is an abomination of an idea of human rights.

The thing about saying "Life isn't fair" is that this topic isn't about someone tragically cut down in the prime of their life by cancer or whatever. We're talking about our actions and the society we build. Those are entirely within our power to make fair.

The people saying "life isn't fair, never was will never will be" are the problem. At best because they're just giving up on a problem entirely within their (collective) power to solve, or because they benefit from it being the way it is and actively work to keep it that way.

 

[Tofystedeth]

At some point you run out of things to attack. What is the over/under on banning electric carts at stores? I’m going with May.

What about those tiny half carts? Do they hate them because they're tiny and thus not masculine? Or do they love them because shopping is for women and so a big cart means you do more shopping instead of just buying a few days worth of bachelor chow?

 

[Tofystedeth]

Well, I have sold several companies for tens of millions and hundreds of millions of dollars. But I’m the one who doesn’t understand tax rates or business.

But instead let’s judge on all the metrics that are actually unmeasurable…

The left is broken. Badly broken.

I mean, if the things you wrote in the linked post are true then you absolutely do not understand marginal tax rates.
Or you do but you were instructing your HR department to lie to employees in order to get them to not seek out raises.

 

[Tofystedeth]

Again, I didn’t post ANYTHING like that on this story. If you are talking about a past story, taken out of context, then I don’t know nor would it be relevant.

And of course that is my name… Look at my username you imbecile.

Do you... do you think my name is actually Tofystedeth?
Wow, if you believe that peoples' usernames can be trusted to reflect their real names, no wonder you don't know how marginal tax rates work.

 

[Tofystedeth]

Buddy, the proof is in the profits. The non-creatives have been recycling for decades, everybody knows that. Parents will still take their kids to Disneyworld, but in recent years there has been a complete and rather obvious attempt to push out the white hero. Companies like sweet Baby Inc in the gaming world have clearly stated their goal of tearing it down. The problem is, the consumer decides how it goes down. I mean look what they've done to the Star Wars franchise. They've almost decimated the ability to make money from one of the most beloved IPs of all time.

Talk about not knowing your audience, it's unreal. Gencon had to recently shit-can their entire writers symposium. Turns out they were simply writing what roughly 1% of the population actually wanted to hear about.

The third Star Wars trilogy was mostly bad but it had nothing to with them "pushing out the white hero" and everything to do with bad writing and not having a consistent vision or plan across movies.

 

[Tofystedeth]

Do the retards on the right know that there is much less crime and murders in Europe than in the US ?

Hey, maybe don't use that slur? Especially if you're trying to represent the good side in this topic?

 

[Tofystedeth]

The 20 most dangerous cities in the US are all democrat run. Defund the police was the bestest idea ever.

I wonder how that list maps onto 20 biggest cities in the US...

 

[Tofystedeth]

I will also state that I think it's very strange that 55 "people" think lies are good and truth and love aren't. But... I guess there's something I'm missing. Too bad no one every bothers to explain why, for instance, lies are freedom, truth shouldn't be freely shared, and love should not be the underlying motivation for sharing truth.

Perhaps that's all self evident. If so, it's not so self evident to me.

The problem is that post on its own did not exist in enough context to tell what you point you were trying to make, and there's plenty of examples of people posting vague stuff about truth and love using it to mean anything but.
It's a hairtrigger topic. Sometimes posts catch strays. It happens.
But complaining about downvotes is always going to earn downvotes. Instead of making about bunch of angry posts about it claiming the posters here think truth and love is bad, when their posts clearly say the opposite, just write it off as your post not communicating what you wanted it to.