Meta kills diversity programs, claiming DEI has become “too charged”

Meta claims it will find other ways to hire employees from different backgrounds.

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[Celery Man]

Look at that fucking shitstain of an excuse for a human being.

Ask Chamberlain and Quisling how bending over and lubing yourself up for the fascists works out.

Spoiler: you get fucked.

 

[Celery Man]

Hey Zuck, remember your obsession with Caesar Augustus and how you even got your hair cut to match him?

Pray tell, oh wise one, how Octavian ended the Roman civil war and became Emporer by bending over and letting Antonius fuck him?

Oh wait, is that not what happened, Mark?

 

[Celery Man]

I fail to see how including a diverse set of viewpoints is anything but a positive for any company, much less one focused on engineering, but I’m also not an MBA or a RWNJ, so what do I know?

 

[Celery Man]

Here's the thing. I'm a hiring manager. My company, not being run by a bag of shitstains, implemented DEI and made sure all the hiring managers got training in what it was and what it wasn't. And repeated that until people got a clue.

So I can state with great confidence that you've got a warped and twisted view of what DEI is.

You clearly don’t get that humans will always act in the best interests of all of humanity if you remove all consequences for not acting in the best interests of all of humanity.

Duh

 

[Celery Man]

Easy fix for that. Run all the resumes through a computer program that strips out all personally identifying information and just assigns them an applicant number. Do a phone interview with software that disguises the voice so you can't tell what race or gender they are. Now make your hiring decision based on the interview. Applicant number 3 and applicant number 5 are the most qualified. You don't get to find out what race they are or what gender they are, or even their name until their first day of work. Problem solved.

If they say anything during the interview that gives away their background they're automatically disqualified.

Congrats, you’ve just reinvented DEI!

 

[Celery Man]

It was exactly the same back then. Have we all forgotten how corporations didn't give a rat's ass about DEI until they were essentially forced to? Corporations are not your friends. They exist to create wealth for their shareholders and if inclusion isn't achieving that, and it's now socially acceptable to drop it, they will. No big surprise.

It’s crazy how some people have such a vicious reaction to the idea that corporations only care about profits.

It’s like, of course for-profit companies only care about profit. If they didn’t they’d have registered as a non-profit.

 

[Celery Man]

The draw of the tax cuts is intense. More MORE MORE

And when you ask 'em, "How much should we give?"

They only answer, "More, more, more".

- CCR

 

[Celery Man]

The best antidote to bad speech is good speech. Not censorship.

I won't touch anything with Zuck's fingerprints on it. That said, these policies are restoring LEGALLY free speech. Free speech does not only apply when you like or "approve of" what's been said. The real test lies in speech that makes one's blood boil.


Absolutely.

Meanwhile, in reality, we know that shit doesn’t work because we’ve been trying it for generations, to no avail.

 

[Celery Man]

In a “showing my vintage” moment, my brain first went to “Age/Sex/Location.” And I was wondering why I would want to do that to my presumed peers.

18/F/ur room

… sometimes I miss trolling on IRC…

 

[Celery Man]

"Hello Meta products user. My name is GreyAreaUK, I feel morally superior compared to you. You are not a decent human being. You may pay taxes, you may help elders/animals/neighbors etc but I repeat YOU ARE NOT A DECENT HUMAN BEING RIGHT NOW. To prove otherwise to me literally just some random from the internet you need to do my whims."
Honestly not a fan of Meta products, they could disappear right now and I would barely notice but like yikes! Pretty annoying attitude. And it's not really convincing anyone.
But judging by number of ^ for this I guess people like virtue signaling.

Seems like our friend from the UK hit a nerve with you!

 

[Celery Man]

Our bird-headed friend, returning to these forums hoping for fresh meat after being blocked by most users, wants us to fall for his defense of free speech nonsense when no one is disputing meta has every right to promote its philosophy, and we have every right to describe it for what it is.

Save yourself some time: block and move on.

I swore I had them blocked. I remember them being one of the first people I blocked years ago. Did our ignore lists get reset at some point?

 

[Celery Man]

[words]

Odyssey*

 

[Celery Man]

The "left" is broken. On that we can agree.

Because the left is a huge tent -- from trad neoliberal Dems to basic progressives all the way through to "workers should own the means of production" socialists. The sort of socialists who'd literally murder the capitalists to ensure workers ownership.

BIG tent. It's a real big tent. It's hard to talk about "the Left" without being wrong.

Totally agree with your point, but wanted to point out the term “trad” has been explicitly co-opted to be shorthand for people who believe in the 14 Words. I’d be really hesitant to use it at all.

 

[Celery Man]

Lol at Ars Subscription

If the non-white male candidate happens to be the best candidate, then all is good. Of course that hasn't been happening over the past several years but it's come to and end, regardless of your feelings. There's still Starbucks if you are looking for a job. One of the few places where putting they/them on the resume doesn't ensure you automatically get put on the bottom of the pile.

Why are you so intent on telling us what a terrible person you are? Seems like the kind of thing you’d want to keep to yourself.

 

[Celery Man]

So, who hired the goon?

 

[Celery Man]

“How can I be a bigot? I saw a gay once!”

 

[Celery Man]

No more DEI, it's H1B from now on.

And H5N1 after that.

 

[Celery Man]

I’ve already provider an example in a complex trust (which has a VERY specific legal definition). You didn’t respond to it and obviously don’t understand it so let’s just leave it at that. If you want to understand it then put in the work. If you don’t want to then just complain about it and put your ignorance on display for everybody, again.

“I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills!”

 

[Celery Man]

Trudeau has made Canada unaffordable for the younger generation. He's taken up climate change, exerted a carbon tax, and jacked immigration which has done nothing but drive up the cost of living. We do deserve better. Only when USA, India, and China get onboard will there be any meaningful climate change. What Canada does amounts to a roughly 1.5% contribution to global emissions.

I suspect that over time we will merge with the US but not in Trump's term. Hopefully you take us peacefully.

Honestly could you see Kamala negotiating deals with the likes of Putin, Xi, Netanyahu? They would show her zero respect.

Oh trust me, accomplished women like Harris have spent their whole careers dealing with men who show them zero respect. That ain’t nothing new.

 

[Celery Man]

Also, "neoliberal" is not a left movement. It's a conservative economic movement which involves selling off public assets to private interests. Then again, the Democrats aren't especially of the left. They have some leftists among their number, but they're more centrist and conservative. They're just not as conservative, or more accurately right-wing, as the Republicans.

I’ve always described neoliberals as people who won’t be bigots to your face, but will continue to uphold and profit from the systems that oppress you.

Capitalists, in other words.

Because it doesn’t matter if your politics are red or blue - your money is still green.

 

[Celery Man]

FTFY

I didn’t say I was the best troll, haha.

 

[Celery Man]

That would, of course, imply the winners can stop their intra-factional circular firing squads in the next four years, or that they can buck the incumbency trends in the mid-terms, both of which are nearly inevitable they cannot.

White Nationalist MAGA, Corporate MAGA and Immigration MAGA are all about to be at each others' throats with no way to blame the Democrats and that's exactly how Trump wants/manages it.

The issues in California are a mere blip compared to the localized hyper-inflation Florida is about to inflict on itself with just climate change and insurance lobby issues, and MAGA is about to find out when they fight the insurance lobby without the Democrats they lose. They're going to continue seeing that pattern such that it will be a do-nothing repeat of 2017-2020.

Democratic governing incompetence is a temporary headache or necessary policy experimentation that goes awry, Republican governing incompetence is inevitable, corrupt, nepotist and permanent.

The Democrats don't need to 'win' in this case, they can just sit back and watch the GOP 'lose' from their own infighting while doing less to save them from themselves than they did the last time around and accept more people are going to get hurt. Reality will do a better job beating the absolute shit out of the 77 million Trump voters than Dems ever can, and Fox News propaganda or the conservative media echo chambers can't lie to them about it anymore.

Those losses will then spill over to other right wing campaigns on the planet...

That sounds great but the reality is they will always blame the Dems, and a vast swath of their base will always believe them.

The Dems aren’t in power and everything sucks? That’s because they’re secretly manipulating things and making Trump fail!

… is what they’ll say. It’s too easy. When you have completely divorced your belief system from reality in any way, reality no longer holds any sway.

Trump could literally shoot a MAGAt’s kid to death right in front of them, blame it on the Dems, and they’d believe him.

 

[Celery Man]

Woke is the new Communism!

The best part about Marx was he wrote so much more about capitalism than he did communism. People tend to forget that whole “Das Capital” thing he did.

 

[Celery Man]

That gets less plausible the quieter the Dems get and the better they pick their battles. The longer the Dems have been silent while licking their wounds and biding their time to pounce, the longer the GOP infighting will continue and the longer the media will continue to breathlessly cover that infighting.

All the Dems have to do is be boring and then go full McCarthy on the GOP in 2032

Reacting to every single outrage isn't necessary, and they did just botch shit up and create a 50-50 house and are going to suffer through that the same way the Democrats kept having to with a 50-50 Senate. If the GOP thought the 50-50 Senate was a headache, the next two years are going to be a shitshow in the House if the Dems just vote 'present' and do nothing collectively.

That doesn't mean they will, of course, the Blue Dogs are all as corrupt as the GOP, so it's hard to tell.

I’d like to believe you, but I have absolutely no faith that the GOP won’t keep believing it’s the Dems fault, and I have absolutely no faith that the Dems won’t keep shoving their feet in their mouths.

 

[Celery Man]

This is such an incredibly privileged perspective. People work for years to get into the jobs and positions they have and typically have very little control at the executive or policy setting levels. Hell, even most execs are setting policies aimed at conforming to regulations for their operating jurisdictions. You're part of a mob angry about this topic today, what companies meet your moral standard and aren't going to be the target of an angry mob tomorrow? Why on Earth would someone put their, and their family's, livelihood at risk because angry people with no first hand experience of the person's situation are up on a soapbox? I'm sad to hear you are a hiring manager and have such little empathy for people and the struggles that have lead us to (for better or worse) policies like DEI.

You would have made a great concentration camp guard.

 

[Celery Man]

I think I'm finally seeing the big picture. Why all these billionaires are kneeling at the crotch of Trump.

They can finally see it: technology and society have finally converged into a place where they can literally control the masses. We're at peak non-trust of basically every single organization at this point, in a "post truth" era that gives people permission to simply disregard anything that doesn't align with their belief system. This belief system is, in turn, programmed into them by tainted sources of information, from "news" shows to social media. We have people in power that believe in Jewish Space Lasers, where that type of idiocy would be unthinkable even 20 years ago.

All of this finally going to allow the people in power to stop faking it. They'll be able to DO what they want, SAY what they want, with ZERO repercussions. Trump has already gotten out of SO many felonies with nothing more than the equivalent of a bad review on Yelp... soon, ALL of the Trump-faithful billionaires will be able to do the same. The public will either never know, as they'll control every informational outlet, or the public won't CARE, because their programming tells them it's some conspiracy of lies meant to tarnish their beloved leader/provider of some shiny tech thing.

I feel like I should be wearing a tinfoil hat, but I ALSO think this is 100% true... we're at a cusp, where royalty and landed nobles will finally get their serfs back, where we all work their technical lands, keeping scraps for our own, and they can just do what they will. Worse, they'll be no more peasant uprisings, because we couldn't organize them even if we wanted to. We're just about there... if something fundamental doesn't change, by the end of the Trump presidency, that'll be it.

Society has always been shaped by those with wealth and power. We’re actually better at recognizing it these days.