Report: Superconductivity researcher found to have committed misconduct

They were the ones that organized the effort to retract the paper and said that the final investigation actually sought their input.

Meanwhile, on the peer review side, the reporting does not leave Nature looking especially good. Both papers required several rounds of revision and review before being accepted, and even after all this work, most of the reviewers were ambiguous at best about whether the paper should be published. It was an editorial decision to go ahead despite that.
At least the grad students stuck to their principles ...

Sad if we can't trust even Nature.
 
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A researcher committed misconduct while trying to prove there's an exception to the laws of physics?!? I'm shocked! Shocked, I say!

Well, not that shocked. Not even surprised. In fact, it's just another Thursday in that department.

Seems every claim of "warm" super-conduction ends up being retracted, redacted and ridiculed. I get that it's a goal, but it seems to be a unicorn most of the time.
While I'm always skeptical of room-temperature superconductor claims, I'm pretty sure it's not an exception to the laws of physics as we know it.

It's similar to how when super conductors were first discovered it seemed implausible but it turns out they're perfectly possible!
 
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IDK, as much as I hate lieing cheats it still seems wrong that his career is ruined without the details of the misdeeds being revealed.
I expect they have been revealed to him, and if he diagrees he can take the Uni to court (thereby having the allegations made public).
 
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While I'm always skeptical of room-temperature superconductor claims, I'm pretty sure it's not an exception to the laws of physics as we know it.

It's similar to how when super conductors were first discovered it seemed implausible but it turns out they're perfectly possible!

Yeah, I think that it's a bit akin to cold fusion in this respect: extremely implausible but not strictly speaking impossible.

Put another way: it is a dream that I think is totally worth spending a lot of venture capital chasing after, since it is not like they were doing anything actually useful with that money anyway...
 
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At least the grad students stuck to their principles ...

Sad if we can't trust even Nature.
We could never trust Nature. I would joke that a there's a 50% and chance any paper in Nature was wrong.

I think I may have underestimated that chance.
 
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At least the grad students stuck to their principles ...

Sad if we can't trust even Nature.
The glamour journals do publish a fair share of junk. Sadly the university administrators and search committees prefer Science and Nature over PNAS.
 
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IDK, as much as I hate lieing cheats it still seems wrong that his career is ruined without the details of the misdeeds being revealed.
There's the possibility of even more shenanigans than the pink stuff. The university where he got his PhD is also investigating his actual thesis ... IIRC, somebody found copy-pasted text in his thesis from previous work, and other discrepancies.

For an academic researcher, falsifying research is a cardinal sin. Research communication is the currency of the profession, and he made counterfeit currency. It's nearly the same context as a banker embezzling. Scientists have a hard enough job without falsified research. He'll never be trusted again to gain grant money, and no grad student will touch him with a 10-foot pole. Even private money will consider him a huge risk.

He might find a job as an adjunct teaching professor, or maybe an industrial lab as a junior lab-rat... maybe... but every bit of data he collects would be scrutinized for years.
 
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i always wonder what the endgame for people like this is.

like a) if you're promising an earth shattering, commercializable breakthrough, it will be scrutinized. do you honestly think that your forged data will withstand scrutiny and recreation attempts? if you don't think your forgery will stay up, what on earth is your exit strategy? and b) lordy the grad student co-authors of your paper know that you bought the material, and they know what the data actually is. what on earth did you think was going to happen when you lie so blatantly??
 
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IDK, as much as I hate lieing cheats it still seems wrong that his career is ruined without the details of the misdeeds being revealed.
The lack of a full reveal is doing the man a favor, not a disservice. If he really wants to have a public fight over the results of the investigation, no one is stopping him from telling his side of the story to the public. Considering the details we do have, I suspect that the details are even more humiliating than what we have.

The whole incident is an embarrassment, from beginning to end, for all parties involved.
 
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Sad if we can't trust even Nature.
Nature and Science both have an annoying tendency towards what could be called peer-reviewed-clickbait articles. Yes, there's a lot of good impactful work published in both journals, but it's very important to remember that they do sometimes publish things against the advice of the peer reviewers because the editor thinks the reviews are sufficiently ambiguous and the results sufficiently flashy. And sometimes, like in this case, they get bit hard as a result.
 
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i always wonder what the endgame for people like this is.

like a) if you're promising an earth shattering, commercializable breakthrough, it will be scrutinized. do you honestly think that your forged data will withstand scrutiny and recreation attempts? if you don't think your forgery will stay up, what on earth is your exit strategy? and b) lordy the grad student co-authors of your paper know that you bought the material, and they know what the data actually is. what on earth did you think was going to happen when you lie so blatantly??
I suspect in cases like this they have the faith that there IS something there, and fudge the numbers to show what they think the reality is.
 
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He might find a job as an adjunct teaching professor, or maybe an industrial lab as a junior lab-rat... maybe... but every bit of data he collects would be scrutinized for years.
His academic career in the US (and Europe) is almost certainly over, but doubtless there are other institutions around the world willing to hire him.
 
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The glamour journals do publish a fair share of junk. Sadly the university administrators and search committees prefer Science and Nature over PNAS.
PNAS has a nice system that helps reduce (though not eliminate) the junk: The editor making the go/no-go decision after referee reports is an actual working scientist, a member of the NAS (of which the journal is the Proceedings). That means that while they're probably not a specialist in the exact area of a given paper, their areas of expertise are close enough that they can make much more informed decisions than the professional editors at Nature and Science. The latter usually have PhDs in their areas of coverage, but aren't active researchers, so their domain knowledge is more second-hand.
 
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IDK, as much as I hate lieing cheats it still seems wrong that his career is ruined without the details of the misdeeds being revealed.
I get it. I've passed up hiring people because their previous employers couldn't mention why someone was let go and I've been unable to tell people why we fired the last two chuckleschmucks due to privacy laws, but sometimes you have to accept that we are not entitled to every bit of information about people's lives.

How would you feel if a reporter wanted to know why YOU were fired from a job? Suddenly when it's us it becomes "What fucking business is it of yours?".

It's a hard line to walk some days.
 
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i always wonder what the endgame for people like this is.

like a) if you're promising an earth shattering, commercializable breakthrough, it will be scrutinized. do you honestly think that your forged data will withstand scrutiny and recreation attempts? if you don't think your forgery will stay up, what on earth is your exit strategy? and b) lordy the grad student co-authors of your paper know that you bought the material, and they know what the data actually is. what on earth did you think was going to happen when you lie so blatantly??
I expect they've convinced themselves that their results actually prove things. Those things they fudged where just minor issues to make the paper look better and of no material consequence. They just need a bit more time and a bit more money to get the fully working device out of the door. Any time now it will definitely work this time...
 
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There's definitely news/notoriety/financial pressure on Nature & Science editors. I mean, you don't want to be known as the editor that rejected a paper that turned the tables on current science and broke open a whole new field of study.

They have to constantly check their distrust of conflicting data, simply because real breakthroughs have happened before. And data is often messy (it's rarely a perfect, beautiful graph)

So it's a tough balance. And they know science will win out in the end, as other scientists try to repeat that results.

But the fewer of these disasters on your publications resume—or should I say CV—the better.
 
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PNAS has a nice system that helps reduce (though not eliminate) the junk: The editor making the go/no-go decision after referee reports is an actual working scientist, a member of the NAS (of which the journal is the Proceedings). That means that while they're probably not a specialist in the exact area of a given paper, their areas of expertise are close enough that they can make much more informed decisions than the professional editors at Nature and Science. The latter usually have PhDs in their areas of coverage, but aren't active researchers, so their domain knowledge is more second-hand.
Yep. I've published there.
 
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I expect they've convinced themselves that their results actually prove things. Those things they fudged where just minor issues to make the paper look better and of no material consequence. They just need a bit more time and a bit more money to get the fully working device out of the door. Any time now it will definitely work this time...
Very common amongst tech startups, too. "Sure we aren't profitable yet but we will be, it's totally okay to lie to employees and investors because by the time it's a problem, we'll have succeeded!"

I've personally been burned by an incompetent tech startup that lied to its employees about the valuation because the real value was dirt but they kept hoping they'd "fix" things before it became a "real problem."

It's just like kids spinning elaborate lies to get out of trouble, it always builds up and they can't get out of it. And they're incapable of seeing that parallel, too. They don't view it as a sign of "I'm fucking clueless and need to stop" they view it as "boldly embracing a challenge."
 
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Its harder to take someone to court for defamation when they havent actually revealed any details. Is the word "misdeeds" actionable by itself?
Not as long as they can show it is the truth, no. Only reason they didn't release it yet is likely because it's customary not to publicize details of employee discipline.
 
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I get it. I've passed up hiring people because their previous employers couldn't mention why someone was let go and I've been unable to tell people why we fired the last two chuckleschmucks due to privacy laws, but sometimes you have to accept that we are not entitled to every bit of information about people's lives.

How would you feel if a reporter wanted to know why YOU were fired from a job? Suddenly when it's us it becomes "What fucking business is it of yours?".

It's a hard line to walk some days.
I, and probably several of us here, have been in the position of having someone ask about a recently discharged coworker's suitability for a new job and having to answer, "Well, the lawyers told me..."
 
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Very common amongst tech startups, too. "Sure we aren't profitable yet but we will be, it's totally okay to lie to employees and investors because by the time it's a problem, we'll have succeeded!"

I've personally been burned by an incompetent tech startup that lied to its employees about the valuation because the real value was dirt but they kept hoping they'd "fix" things before it became a "real problem."

It's just like kids spinning elaborate lies to get out of trouble, it always builds up and they can't get out of it. And they're incapable of seeing that parallel, too. They don't view it as a sign of "I'm fucking clueless and need to stop" they view it as "boldly embracing a challenge."

I've got a cheque for $13.56 pinned to my home office wall.

Its the post-bankruptcy discharge payout for the substantial (don't ask how much, just don't) amount that i foolishly put into a startup that I was working at before I really realized how bad things were.

Its a useful reminder of 'fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me'


Seems oddly appropriate in this academic misconduct situation too: because you know full well that despite this, somewhere, the guy will get another job in this area.
 
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Feels like it was just the other day when I was saying that “publish or perish” creates perverse incentives for academics to fudge their research.

Yeah I was hoping some commenter would give insight into how often this sort of thing happened before Publish or Perish, vs nowadays.
 
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I suspect in cases like this they have the faith that there IS something there, and fudge the numbers to show what they think the reality is.
My more cynical take is that they publish the data in a widespread journal, start their own company based on the technology, then try to get as much venture funding as possible before their research is debunked. He would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids.
 
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Yeah I was hoping some commenter would give insight into how often this sort of thing happened before Publish or Perish, vs nowadays.
I don't think we'll ever know how often this sort of thing happened pre-internet, simply because there was not the same level of access and ability to discuss and dissect publications as there is now. But there has always been pressure to publish, and publish first, for all sorts of reasons. It goes with being human (you know, that ego thing).
 
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