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At least the grad students stuck to their principles ...They were the ones that organized the effort to retract the paper and said that the final investigation actually sought their input.
Meanwhile, on the peer review side, the reporting does not leave Nature looking especially good. Both papers required several rounds of revision and review before being accepted, and even after all this work, most of the reviewers were ambiguous at best about whether the paper should be published. It was an editorial decision to go ahead despite that.
While I'm always skeptical of room-temperature superconductor claims, I'm pretty sure it's not an exception to the laws of physics as we know it.A researcher committed misconduct while trying to prove there's an exception to the laws of physics?!? I'm shocked! Shocked, I say!
Well, not that shocked. Not even surprised. In fact, it's just another Thursday in that department.
Seems every claim of "warm" super-conduction ends up being retracted, redacted and ridiculed. I get that it's a goal, but it seems to be a unicorn most of the time.
I expect they have been revealed to him, and if he diagrees he can take the Uni to court (thereby having the allegations made public).IDK, as much as I hate lieing cheats it still seems wrong that his career is ruined without the details of the misdeeds being revealed.
While I'm always skeptical of room-temperature superconductor claims, I'm pretty sure it's not an exception to the laws of physics as we know it.
It's similar to how when super conductors were first discovered it seemed implausible but it turns out they're perfectly possible!
We could never trust Nature. I would joke that a there's a 50% and chance any paper in Nature was wrong.At least the grad students stuck to their principles ...
Sad if we can't trust even Nature.
They turn pink, of course.Some researchers under extreme pressure also behave differently?
We could never trust Nature.
The glamour journals do publish a fair share of junk. Sadly the university administrators and search committees prefer Science and Nature over PNAS.At least the grad students stuck to their principles ...
Sad if we can't trust even Nature.
i do wish they had gone with "Supermisconduct"Kudos for the wordplay in the title!
Beth Mole is the master at it and this is spot on![]()
There's the possibility of even more shenanigans than the pink stuff. The university where he got his PhD is also investigating his actual thesis ... IIRC, somebody found copy-pasted text in his thesis from previous work, and other discrepancies.IDK, as much as I hate lieing cheats it still seems wrong that his career is ruined without the details of the misdeeds being revealed.
The lack of a full reveal is doing the man a favor, not a disservice. If he really wants to have a public fight over the results of the investigation, no one is stopping him from telling his side of the story to the public. Considering the details we do have, I suspect that the details are even more humiliating than what we have.IDK, as much as I hate lieing cheats it still seems wrong that his career is ruined without the details of the misdeeds being revealed.
Nature and Science both have an annoying tendency towards what could be called peer-reviewed-clickbait articles. Yes, there's a lot of good impactful work published in both journals, but it's very important to remember that they do sometimes publish things against the advice of the peer reviewers because the editor thinks the reviews are sufficiently ambiguous and the results sufficiently flashy. And sometimes, like in this case, they get bit hard as a result.Sad if we can't trust even Nature.
I suspect in cases like this they have the faith that there IS something there, and fudge the numbers to show what they think the reality is.i always wonder what the endgame for people like this is.
like a) if you're promising an earth shattering, commercializable breakthrough, it will be scrutinized. do you honestly think that your forged data will withstand scrutiny and recreation attempts? if you don't think your forgery will stay up, what on earth is your exit strategy? and b) lordy the grad student co-authors of your paper know that you bought the material, and they know what the data actually is. what on earth did you think was going to happen when you lie so blatantly??
His academic career in the US (and Europe) is almost certainly over, but doubtless there are other institutions around the world willing to hire him.He might find a job as an adjunct teaching professor, or maybe an industrial lab as a junior lab-rat... maybe... but every bit of data he collects would be scrutinized for years.
PNAS has a nice system that helps reduce (though not eliminate) the junk: The editor making the go/no-go decision after referee reports is an actual working scientist, a member of the NAS (of which the journal is the Proceedings). That means that while they're probably not a specialist in the exact area of a given paper, their areas of expertise are close enough that they can make much more informed decisions than the professional editors at Nature and Science. The latter usually have PhDs in their areas of coverage, but aren't active researchers, so their domain knowledge is more second-hand.The glamour journals do publish a fair share of junk. Sadly the university administrators and search committees prefer Science and Nature over PNAS.
I get it. I've passed up hiring people because their previous employers couldn't mention why someone was let go and I've been unable to tell people why we fired the last two chuckleschmucks due to privacy laws, but sometimes you have to accept that we are not entitled to every bit of information about people's lives.IDK, as much as I hate lieing cheats it still seems wrong that his career is ruined without the details of the misdeeds being revealed.
I expect they've convinced themselves that their results actually prove things. Those things they fudged where just minor issues to make the paper look better and of no material consequence. They just need a bit more time and a bit more money to get the fully working device out of the door. Any time now it will definitely work this time...i always wonder what the endgame for people like this is.
like a) if you're promising an earth shattering, commercializable breakthrough, it will be scrutinized. do you honestly think that your forged data will withstand scrutiny and recreation attempts? if you don't think your forgery will stay up, what on earth is your exit strategy? and b) lordy the grad student co-authors of your paper know that you bought the material, and they know what the data actually is. what on earth did you think was going to happen when you lie so blatantly??
I was wondering if it should be Stone Cold Supermisconduction, or the even rarer Room Temperature Misconduction.i do wish they had gone with "Supermisconduct"
PNAS has/had its own share of problems. It's known for bias against non-academy members.The glamour journals do publish a fair share of junk. Sadly the university administrators and search committees prefer Science and Nature over PNAS.
Yep. I've published there.PNAS has a nice system that helps reduce (though not eliminate) the junk: The editor making the go/no-go decision after referee reports is an actual working scientist, a member of the NAS (of which the journal is the Proceedings). That means that while they're probably not a specialist in the exact area of a given paper, their areas of expertise are close enough that they can make much more informed decisions than the professional editors at Nature and Science. The latter usually have PhDs in their areas of coverage, but aren't active researchers, so their domain knowledge is more second-hand.
Very common amongst tech startups, too. "Sure we aren't profitable yet but we will be, it's totally okay to lie to employees and investors because by the time it's a problem, we'll have succeeded!"I expect they've convinced themselves that their results actually prove things. Those things they fudged where just minor issues to make the paper look better and of no material consequence. They just need a bit more time and a bit more money to get the fully working device out of the door. Any time now it will definitely work this time...
Not as long as they can show it is the truth, no. Only reason they didn't release it yet is likely because it's customary not to publicize details of employee discipline.Its harder to take someone to court for defamation when they havent actually revealed any details. Is the word "misdeeds" actionable by itself?
I, and probably several of us here, have been in the position of having someone ask about a recently discharged coworker's suitability for a new job and having to answer, "Well, the lawyers told me..."I get it. I've passed up hiring people because their previous employers couldn't mention why someone was let go and I've been unable to tell people why we fired the last two chuckleschmucks due to privacy laws, but sometimes you have to accept that we are not entitled to every bit of information about people's lives.
How would you feel if a reporter wanted to know why YOU were fired from a job? Suddenly when it's us it becomes "What fucking business is it of yours?".
It's a hard line to walk some days.
Very common amongst tech startups, too. "Sure we aren't profitable yet but we will be, it's totally okay to lie to employees and investors because by the time it's a problem, we'll have succeeded!"
I've personally been burned by an incompetent tech startup that lied to its employees about the valuation because the real value was dirt but they kept hoping they'd "fix" things before it became a "real problem."
It's just like kids spinning elaborate lies to get out of trouble, it always builds up and they can't get out of it. And they're incapable of seeing that parallel, too. They don't view it as a sign of "I'm fucking clueless and need to stop" they view it as "boldly embracing a challenge."
Feels like it was just the other day when I was saying that “publish or perish” creates perverse incentives for academics to fudge their research.
My more cynical take is that they publish the data in a widespread journal, start their own company based on the technology, then try to get as much venture funding as possible before their research is debunked. He would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids.I suspect in cases like this they have the faith that there IS something there, and fudge the numbers to show what they think the reality is.
I don't think we'll ever know how often this sort of thing happened pre-internet, simply because there was not the same level of access and ability to discuss and dissect publications as there is now. But there has always been pressure to publish, and publish first, for all sorts of reasons. It goes with being human (you know, that ego thing).Yeah I was hoping some commenter would give insight into how often this sort of thing happened before Publish or Perish, vs nowadays.