Perpetual Random Apple Rants Thread

[Bonusround]

This is the comedian’s “I must be doing something right if I’m pissing everyone off” fallacy—no, you’re just being obnoxious. Often, people collectively don’t like things not because they’re interesting, or they’re daring, but rather because they suck.

To me, controversial speaks more to the fact that opinion is divided. And that is a quality I often find true of interesting art. YMMV

MKBHD has a first look video which gets close up and personal with the Luce.



I like the 'skin suspended around an inner core' effect. Also, spoked wheels for FTW, drag coefficient be damned.

 

[Louis XVI]

To me, controversial speaks more to the fact that opinion is divided. And that is a quality I often find true of interesting art. YMMV

MKBHD has a first look video which gets close up and personal with the Luce.



I like the 'skin suspended around an inner core' effect. Also, spoked wheels for FTW, drag coefficient be damned.

IMHO (and I really mean that—I think it’s cool that you find the Luce interesting and engaging, and I don’t mean to discourage or denigrate that at all), art is interesting if it moves me in some way, if it makes me feel or think. Others’ reactions don’t really enter into the equation.

Looking at the Luce, it just seems like that Ive is on his bullshit again, going back to iOS 7 and the gold Watch, and his legacy would probably benefit if he’d finally just retire.

 

[Chris FOM]

Ive is a brilliant, once-in-a-generation artist. He doesn't need to justify his decisions to anyone. As such, he's uniquely bad at creating products intended for anyone but Jony Ive.

I’ve is a brilliant artist, but like most artists he’s easily capable of getting lost in his own ideals. Jobs’ famous statement that “design isn’t what it looks like, design is how it works,” is something that’s easy to say but actually really hard to actually put in practice, because putting form over function is so easy and can look so good (and more than once Jobs himself certainly fell victim to it). I’ve long felt that of everyone at Apple Ive suffered the most professionally when Jobs died because while Steve wasn’t his equal as a designer or artist, he was his equal is taste and, even more importantly, Ive had to design for him. When Steve died there wasn’t anyone on his level to tell him no, which meant Ive no longer was designing for someone else but instead got to design for himself, and that’s when the rails came off.

 

[wco81]

It's a car priced at over half a million.

There will be hundreds of buyers, if that?

Or supposedly Ferrari is hoping to expand the market so maybe some tech bros will go for it.

 

[dspariI]

This is definitely a tech bro car, and every current Ferrari is hideous in a few different ways. If they're just catering to the tastes of the modern nouveau riche, that just reinforces my view that they have no taste. This is like a worse Amalfi which already looks boring.

 

[crmarvin42]

Good. It means the design is controversial – frequently an indicator of interesting art.

you are assuming a one-tailed distribution, where likely there are two tails.

• it is controversial because it makes people think
• it is controversial because it is bad

I have no opinion on this particular car, as I have no opinions on Ferrari's in general, beyond that they are a status symbol for people with more money than sense. But lots of things are controversial because they are bad, not because they are good.

 

[jaberg]

have no opinions on Ferrari's in general, beyond that they are a status symbol for people with more money than sense

Plus it’s hella fun to drive someone else’s on a track…

 

[analogika]

It's a car priced at over half a million.

There will be hundreds of buyers, if that?

Or supposedly Ferrari is hoping to expand the market so maybe some tech bros will go for it.

Ferrari typically sells about 10,000-15,000 of a given series. I wouldn’t be surprised if China alone has a few thousand in pre-order.

 

[Bonusround]

IMHO (and I really mean that—I think it’s cool that you find the Luce interesting and engaging, and I don’t mean to discourage or denigrate that at all), art is interesting if it moves me in some way, if it makes me feel or think. Others’ reactions don’t really enter into the equation.

Thank you. Yeah, I don't think it's using others' reactions as a determining factor to my own opinion, more as a barometer for potential interest. Take a Boots Riley film or show. If it generates some hubbub, then maybe (not certainly) something interesting is being said.

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I've made the argument before that Jony Ive is at his best when working with more elaborate forms, and more tactile products. The eMate, the early iMacs and iBooks, the first iPods. He and/or his strengths hit a wall as Apple products evaporated into thin slabs of aluminum and glass. As shown in the video above, the Luce's interior, controls, and interface look quite well-designed.

To the criticism of Ive turning his back on what a Ferrari 'should' look like, others have made the argument that a roomy, five passenger EV simply cannot resemble one's platonic image of a Ferrari. It's safe to assume that Ferrari knew what sorts of designs might result by going to LoveFrom, and they certainly could have chosen to keep the Luce's design in-house. But by working with Ive, and choosing to build this type of vehicle, it's Ferrari that chose to turn its back – or rather, turn a page – on what a Ferrari can look like.

 

[Bonusround]

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/F68mcD5bBpY

 

[analogika]

 

[xoa]

>macOS 15.7.7, Mini M4 Pro

get onto a workstation this morning
a bunch of email accounts in mail show as offline
huh, odd, wonder if that email service is having a hiccup
go to check Internet Accounts
every single last account has somehow vanished over the weekend, list shows entirely empty

FFS. That's new .
(uh, sorry to interrupt in this Random Ferrari Rants threads all )

 

[Blaspheme]

Ive is a brilliant, once-in-a-generation artist. He doesn't need to justify his decisions to anyone. As such, he's uniquely bad at creating products intended for anyone but Jony Ive.

And for me … with iOS 7 I could finally enjoy using an iPhone, the slender MBP remains my favourite form of that device and the delightful Touch Bar lives on in my M2 13”. Never did get a gold watch though (or any, yet).

 

[analogika]

And for me … with iOS 7 I could finally enjoy using an iPhone, the slender MBP remains my favourite form of that device and the delightful Touch Bar lives on in my M2 13”. Never did get a gold watch though (or any, yet).

I concur, to a point. iOS 7 felt like a breath of fresh air, and though this 14" M2 Pro is unquestionably a much better machine, I miss the slim factor of my 2016 15", and still mourn the Touch Bar for its unrealised potential. It was a bit — and could have been more — having a basic StreamDeck built into your laptop.

I get what the gold watch was aiming for, but the gamble was lost to people discovering several actual use cases that made it a mass-product and killed its potential for luxury status symbol.

 

[jaberg]

I get what the gold watch was aiming for, but the gamble was lost to people discovering several actual use cases that made it a mass-product and killed its potential for luxury status symbol.

The gold Watch on the wrists of celebrities in fashion and entertainment magazines/blogs helped to set the mundane Watch as acceptable as daily wear for fashion conscious muggles. Watch started appearing on wrists for both work and play. I’d argue the gamble paid off — though maybe not quite as Apple had hoped.

 

[Bonusround]

The thing is that Series Zero watches were so constrained and short-lived. Had Apple kept with gold through Series 3 or 4 and, heavens forbid, offered an upgrade path for gold owners, well... it might have sustained and still be a thing. Who can say.

 

[ant1pathy]

The thing is that Series Zero watches were so constrained and short-lived. Had Apple kept with gold through Series 3 or 4 and, heavens forbid, offered an upgrade path for gold owners, well... it might have sustained and still be a thing. Who can say.

People in the economic bracket to buy the gold Apple Watch have zero concern about "upgrade path". It's like asking what an oil change in a Ferrari costs; if that cost matters at all to you, you're not the target market.

 

[gregatron5]

People in the economic bracket to buy the gold Apple Watch have zero concern about "upgrade path". It's like asking what an oil change in a Ferrari costs; if that cost matters at all to you, you're not the target market.

To that point, since the actual sizing of the case remained unchanged for a few series, it's mildly surprising they didn't have a service to let gold watch owners "upgrade" their watches for a few years. Especially since, to your point, they probably wouldn't ask what the cost of the change was.