The first Windows Phone with on-screen buttons enters the battle for the low end.
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8.0, no.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084581#p27084581:ve8akj6y said:Abhi Beckert[/url]":ve8akj6y]
Does windows phone have a quick way to adjust the brightness? On an iPhone you can get to it with a system wide screen edge gesture.For something you use in settings as diverse as a phone, this is sure to annoy users heavily.
Having finally gotten 8.1 situated on my 620 (thanks to this thread at the WP Central forums) I can't see any reason whatsoever to buy a 630. No glance, no dedicated camera button, no flash for rear cam (or any front cam at all)...this is a 520 successor at best, plain and simple. It's fine for what it is, but it just isn't enough device for me.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084333#p27084333:vngjzf9y said:BasP[/url]":vngjzf9y]I don't get why none of the reviews mention that nothing about the 630 improves on the 620: in most cases, it's a regression. The 620 has hardware buttons, flash, a dedicated camera button, NFC, and runs WP8.1. The 620 can be picked up dirt-cheap by now too: if you buy it, you have a much better phone at a far lower price.
What am I missing? Why does nobody touch upon this in the reviews?
Failed on our 520 too. Better than the power button, theres an option in settings to wake the Phone up when you tap on the screen a few times.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084131#p27084131:cchsqewe said:pitmonster[/url]":cchsqewe]The loss of camera button is a poor move.
Mrs Pitmonster has a Lumia 520 and the power button failed. While we procrastinate over sending it in for repair, she uses the camera button to switch it on.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084185#p27084185:16awafxn said:BonzaiThePenguin[/url]":16awafxn]I want to feel that way, but I've accidentally quit too many apps from slightly missing the spacebar. Either give me a hardware home button, or some gesture that can't be accidentally triggered.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084073#p27084073:16awafxn said:lonewolfe2015[/url]":16awafxn]Physical buttons and I have grown apart, much like physical keyboards and I did awhile back.
Edit: or maybe don't put the home button under the most-used keyboard button.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084529#p27084529:g7srnr8m said:salamanderjuice[/url]":g7srnr8m][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084491#p27084491:g7srnr8m said:Zinger1[/url]":g7srnr8m]I think a Blackberry Z3 would be a far better purchase, front facing camera, 1.5GB Ram, ambient light sensor, bigger battery, more apps (over 200k in the Amazon app store alone not even counting the over 50k in the BB app world). About $190.
http://www.gsmarena.com/blackberry_z3-6163.php
There's many better purchases. I know for example at least where I live you can get an HTC 8x for $100-150 off contract. And that gets you twice the RAM, a higher res screen, camera button, light sensor, 16GB storage although no SD card. Still runs WP8, with an update to 8.1 soon. Then you have phones like the Moto G etc. Maybe this will be more interesting of a phone when it drops to $80 or something.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084439#p27084439:1upwqzrl said:xand[/url]":1upwqzrl]Does anyone even use auto adjustment? I wouldn't have missed an ambient light sensor in any of my phones, because auto screen brightness adjustments suck.
I ended up disabling the ambient light sensor on my first two iPhones, and just setting it manually.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27085327#p27085327:32cqogds said:Entegy[/url]":32cqogds][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084439#p27084439:32cqogds said:xand[/url]":32cqogds]Does anyone even use auto adjustment? I wouldn't have missed an ambient light sensor in any of my phones, because auto screen brightness adjustments suck.
All the time. The only device I have that doesn't have an ambient light sensor is my 5th gen iPod touch. It's really annoying to constantly have to adjust the brightness manually on it.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084381#p27084381:187rd96t said:Zra[/url]":187rd96t][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084089#p27084089:187rd96t said:linesma[/url]":187rd96t]Nice review. I have seen the 630 available here in Thailand from the carrier AIS for 4900 Baht (around $150). Currently they only have the single sim model, but you can get the dual sim from a third party vendor. I don't know ifI say go for the S4 for that kind of price, last I checked secondhand price is still hovering at 10000 ฿.
Just be careful of the fakes and what we called "krueng yum" where the seller would use a new outer shell but swap out parts inside, especially if you shop online or at MBK center.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27085573#p27085573:29grik60 said:wejick[/url]":29grik60]For me 512 Mb Windows Phone device is only feature phone in steroid, you get a bunch of productivity tools but not the games.
Base on Microsoft's Doc [1] Low End device only has 150 MB / 180 MB for application to run, I think it's impossible for big games (3D, open world, full of vfx, etc) to fit.
[1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library ... 2(v=vs.105).aspx
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084585#p27084585:kannkdks said:jodyfanning[/url]":kannkdks]I would claim that the Icon, 930, and 1520, are the first 8.1 phones.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084377#p27084377:3fi6o8u1 said:DrPizza[/url]":3fi6o8u1]Screen size, core count, clock speed, battery capacity are all in the 630's favour. FFC, NFC, flash and (maybe) hardware buttons are in the 620's favour.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084333#p27084333:3fi6o8u1 said:BasP[/url]":3fi6o8u1]I don't get why none of the reviews mention that nothing about the 630 improves on the 620:
I don't think the characterization of the 620 as "much better" is really accurate, and the cost of the two is more or less the same, possibly even in the 630's favour (depending on which colour you go for). The 630 also has a dual SIM option, and the 635 variant which adds LTE.What am I missing? Why does nobody touch upon this in the reviews?
Did Apple say that the 5c was a low price model? I never heard them claim that; but I do know a lot of bloggers and such believed that the 5c would be a cheap model. Apple, so far, doesn't do "cheap".[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084397#p27084397:223x9wgt said:ev9_tarantula[/url]":223x9wgt][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084389#p27084389:223x9wgt said:DrPizza[/url]":223x9wgt]The iPhone 5c costs about three times the Lumia 630 or Moto E. It's not operating in the same market. It's not even close to operating in the same market.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084383#p27084383:223x9wgt said:got2bereal[/url]":223x9wgt]The iPhone 5C proves that nobody wants to buy a lower tiered new model.
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He's completely wrong.
In the UK Motorola went from essentially nothing to 6% marketshare in a quarter off the back of the Moto G.
The 5C merely proves that Apple's view of what constitutes low-price is a million miles away from everyone else.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084333#p27084333:sdwsg7d9 said:BasP[/url]":sdwsg7d9]I don't get why none of the reviews mention that nothing about the 630 improves on the 620: in most cases, it's a regression. The 620 has hardware buttons, flash, a dedicated camera button, NFC, and runs WP8.1. The 620 can be picked up dirt-cheap by now too: if you buy it, you have a much better phone at a far lower price.
What am I missing? Why does nobody touch upon this in the reviews?
I hope so.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084553#p27084553:12eph6ft said:Happysin[/url]":12eph6ft][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084281#p27084281:12eph6ft said:dizdizzie[/url]":12eph6ft]Lack of flash and ambient light sensor are big deal for me. I'm looking for cheap Windows 8.1 phone, but I don't think it will be Lumia 630![]()
You'll likely want whatever the new 700-series will be. That tends to strike a good balance while not breaking the bank.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084185#p27084185:wa7gi2sc said:BonzaiThePenguin[/url]":wa7gi2sc]I want to feel that way, but I've accidentally quit too many apps from slightly missing the spacebar. Either give me a hardware home button, or some gesture that can't be accidentally triggered.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084073#p27084073:wa7gi2sc said:lonewolfe2015[/url]":wa7gi2sc]Physical buttons and I have grown apart, much like physical keyboards and I did awhile back.
Edit: or maybe don't put the home button under the most-used keyboard button.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084491#p27084491:1fgg6chp said:Zinger1[/url]":1fgg6chp]I think a Blackberry Z3 would be a far better purchase, front facing camera, 1.5GB Ram, ambient light sensor, bigger battery, more apps (over 200k in the Amazon app store alone not even counting the over 50k in the BB app world). About $190.
http://www.gsmarena.com/blackberry_z3-6163.php
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27087365#p27087365:3fmbkc8d said:Peter Bright[/url]":3fmbkc8d]This is OK, as far as it goes, but what's missing is instant access from the lock screen.
That works, but it's fiddlier than I'd like (and honestly, because of the need to use one of the 4 notification buttons for brightness, I don't really want to have to burn one on camera too).[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27087515#p27087515:h9vzzo7a said:Akrovah[/url]":h9vzzo7a][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27087365#p27087365:h9vzzo7a said:Peter Bright[/url]":h9vzzo7a]This is OK, as far as it goes, but what's missing is instant access from the lock screen.
What about accessing the notification center from the lock screen? I only have the 8.1 Dev preview on my 1520, not the final Cyan update, but I can access the notifications center even when the phone is locked and run the camera app from there, which I actually find to be faster than holding the camera button.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084547#p27084547:2z814jnd said:JamieOrJulian[/url]":2z814jnd][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084177#p27084177:2z814jnd said:Hattori HANZo[/url]":2z814jnd]... If your market share is rather low in comparison and your platform is less attractive because of that...[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084135#p27084135:2z814jnd said:uhuznaa[/url]":2z814jnd][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27084125#p27084125:2z814jnd said:Hattori HANZo[/url]":2z814jnd]No ambient light sensor? How much could this have possibly saved?
Such things rarely are about saving a few cent but about differentiating your product lines and giving people a reason to spend more on better models.
Users don't care about market share, and neither should anybody else. Only profit and quality of software matter. The reason that Windows Phone's app catalog has been growing in not only size but quality, is that WP owners are much more likely (almost as likely as iPhone owners) to purchase apps.
Android, for its gigantic market share, is mostly installed on budget turdboxes that can't even run the basic and poorly-installed AOSP distribution that comes with them.
For every Lumia 1520, there are 8 Lumia 520s. Lumia 520 owners constantly complain that they have to wait for their favorite games (which cost money) to be optimized for 512MB.
For every Galaxy S Padtab Superfone 93, there are 802,701 Huawei Cashwaster 3s who's owners will never buy an app in their life.
Developers see that they can simply make more money in one place than in another and they'll definitely start spending more time with it.
Note:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2014/02/window ... h-android/
Despite the "small market share", Windows Phone's revenue generated is approaching Android.
http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2013/03/23 ... n-android/
Evernote makes more money off Windows Phone users. Why? They have a better experience, are generally enthusiasts, and are willing to spend money. Reasons don't really matter. They spend more money.
http://www.gamezebo.com/2014/05/21/ios- ... p-android/
This one is just to twist the knife in Android's side. So much for "market share matters."
LOL silly rabbit.
Market share is for followers. Profit is for leaders.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27091211#p27091211:2lr5xt9b said:DrPizza[/url]":2lr5xt9b]The Moto G does little aside from demonstrate that if you spend more, you get more.
Except it doesn't, really. The Moto E is worse in some areas (processor, storage, camera, battery life), better in others (RAM, screen resolution). I think it demonstrates that there really are compromises to be made at this price point.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27091405#p27091405:dtbll1th said:heartburnkid[/url]":dtbll1th][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27091211#p27091211:dtbll1th said:DrPizza[/url]":dtbll1th]The Moto G does little aside from demonstrate that if you spend more, you get more.
True. It's the Moto E that really makes the 630 look bad.
Thanks! I'm hoping to add to my collection with a Shagbark, and hopefully many more at TI4.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27098947#p27098947:2uqxf59f said:Dante G[/url]":2uqxf59f]Nice Dota 2 plushes.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=27283465#p27283465:28bau4jg said:737 Pilot[/url]":28bau4jg]Whatever the extra cost (like the Moto G LTE/G/E combination MS/Nokia needs the same combination. Where is the Windows phone at the next price point (say $200 US) with 1 GB RAM, 720P Screen, 8 GB built in storage, all the sensors, FFC, NFC, LED Flash, etc. Adding the additional hardware features to the 630 should be possible for $50-$75 US.