Epstein client list, does it exist or not?

Made in Hurry

Ars Praefectus
5,550
Subscriptor
And this is really the bigger scandal--look at everything that's coming out in the files, and no one is investigating any of it.
Then it to me suggest that the ring is bigger than we think, and the reach is far greater than we know. One diplomat over here in Norway lost her job and is being investigated. Jaglands reputation is done for also, and there is a broad investigation that has started, although as you say, when our intelligence was warned many years ago - no investigation started - until now, but there will be some big political consequences here, our media is blasting everything on the front page.
 

Vlip

Ars Legatus Legionis
20,046
Subscriptor
Then it to me suggest that the ring is bigger than we think, and the reach is far greater than we know. One diplomat over here in Norway lost her job and is being investigated. Jaglands reputation is done for also, and there is a broad investigation that has started, although as you say, when our intelligence was warned many years ago - no investigation started - until now, but there will be some big political consequences here, our media is blasting everything on the front page.
US DOJ: We investigated this thoroughly and came to the conclusion that Epstein did all this just for his own needs and didn't traffic girls and women to other people. Nothing to see here, move along.
US DOJ: *Releases only half the documents after heavily redacting them in a very obvious corrupt way
Multiple other countries' DOJ look at those partial, censored releases and find enough cause to launch a dozen investigation

Not that one ought to be surprised, it entirely tracks with handing the control of the US and its DOJ to clears throat Epstein's fucking best friend and obvious world league serial sexual assaulter and pedophile in his own right.
 

Shavano

Ars Legatus Legionis
68,383
Subscriptor
Honestly at this point I think it's time to take this out of the hands of the DOJ entirely and found an international investigation/court ala Nuremberg to deal with this shit.

Just find some prosecutor completely unconnected to anyone on those files with a solid track record of going against those kind of people, dump a few tens of millions budget on them and let them cook. I doubt you'd even need to get countries to pony up the budget, I'm sure they'd get all the money they'd need on day two of a public kickstarter at this point.
this step might be hard:
find some prosecutor completely unconnected to anyone on those files with a solid track record of going against those kind of people
 

fractl

Ars Praefectus
3,452
Subscriptor
Honestly at this point I think it's time to take this out of the hands of the DOJ entirely and found an international investigation/court ala Nuremberg to deal with this shit.

Just find some prosecutor completely unconnected to anyone on those files with a solid track record of going against those kind of people, dump a few tens of millions budget on them and let them cook. I doubt you'd even need to get countries to pony up the budget, I'm sure they'd get all the money they'd need on day two of a public kickstarter at this point.
I think the statute of limitations has passed for many potential crimes. However, we can certainly make pariahs out of the perpetrators. That the DoJ is covering for the rapists is gross beyond belief.
 

dio82

Ars Legatus Legionis
10,307
Subscriptor
I think the statute of limitations has passed for many potential crimes. However, we can certainly make pariahs out of the perpetrators. That the DoJ is covering for the rapists is gross beyond belief.
NO.

The statute of limitation on
  • sexual abuse of minors is indefinite
  • child trafficking is indefinite
  • murder is indefinite
  • conspiracy to murder is indefinite
Unfortunately the statutes of limitations on most tax evasion engineered by Epstein should have lapsed. Only if the entities never filed a tax return does it not lapse.
 

crombie

Ars Legatus Legionis
20,041
Subscriptor
Super high profile case.
Has compromising photos and dirt on billionaires and politicians in power around the world.
Psychiatrist reports he is not suicidal.
Cellmate released the day prior.
Guards failed to perform their regular checks that night.
Suddenly commits suicide.
Cameras somehow didn't work and "didn't save" footage that night.
Memo predates actual death.
Government continues to withhold actual evidence, even in violation of the law.

Suggesting that something is fishy isn't "conspiracy thinking", it's just observation. If someone were investigating, the set of evidence would cause them to look further into it because there's undoubtedly cause to look into that line of thinking.
The memo is probably just a typo. If you're killing the world's most infamous man you don't leak it to the paralegal who drafts memos.
Speaking of conspiracy, there have been a bunch of odd and apparently AI claims that Jackson was bringing kids to Neverland to protect them from Epstein (
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeavingNeverlandHBO/comments/1qz9pfj/ai_conspiracy_video_using_macaulay_culkin_to/
). Not sure why this narrative is being pushed all of a sudden. I do believe I noted an ad for a new Jackson biopic? Maybe some anniversary the family wishes to be able to use, and it benefits them to try to "clear" his name?

Its being shared because revenue sharing from social media sites was a terrible idea.

People invent shit and blast it on social media because hate views and "this has to be bullshit" views generate the same money as genuine views.
 

wallinbl

Ars Legatus Legionis
13,726
Subscriptor
The memo is probably just a typo. If you're killing the world's most infamous man you don't leak it to the paralegal who drafts memos.
That's 100% what you'd assume in every administration not run by Trump. These people have proven to be beyond incompetent. Just look at how incredibly terrible Kash Patel has been as Director of the FBI, based on very thorough reporting on him. Like "hey what if instead of meeting in a secure facility we just went jet skiing" in planning for a Five Eyes meeting level dipshittery.

I don't have any way to know whether a Trump appointee/staffer has paralegals, knows what day it is, is stupid enough to write the memo before it happened, made a typo, or just wrote over the body of a different memo. They do things no competent person would do.
 

Lt_Storm

Ars Tribunus Angusticlavius
20,019
Subscriptor++
If I'm understanding it correctly the date is part of the press release. Meaning it was typed in, not an indicator of system time.

I'm generally an anti-conspiracy guy. But between the totally deleted footage that wasn't deleted, the malfunctioning cameras, and just everything its pretty hard to say something wasn't fishy.
Honestly, with regard to the wrongly typed date, I'm doubtful that it indicates anything. I mean, the way that you actually keep shit like this secret is to minimize the number of people in the know. And having the office on the Southern District on New York in the know is to many people in the know. So, it's most likely that this was a clerical error. And that's true even when we assume that Epstein was assassinated. Whoever wrote that memo probably wouldn't have been in the know beforehand so it's still a red herring.

The even simpler explanation is that the memo itself is fake. Given all the attention around his death, all it would take is one person forging a memo like the above just to rile up the conspiracy theorists, and it would spread around like wildfire and get submitted to the tip line by dozens of people. This is why provenance and the chain of custody for evidence is important.
Also a reasonable guess.
 

Shavano

Ars Legatus Legionis
68,383
Subscriptor
I think the statute of limitations has passed for many potential crimes. However, we can certainly make pariahs out of the perpetrators. That the DoJ is covering for the rapists is gross beyond belief.
And probably for other things. Note what's brought down UK's Peter Mandelson (and is threatening Starmer's job) is not the girls thing per se, but the breaking of financial disclosure laws. Without even looking at the procurement of girls and young women, I bet there's more fire where that smoke came from. Unlikely in the extreme that only one UK figure or only UK figures were involved in such illegality. Where you find someone has engaged in one kind of immorality and lawbreaking, assume they are not above and looked for opportunities to participate in other forms of immorality and lawbreaking.

And none of that, apparently, is being investigated in the US.
 

wco81

Ars Legatus Legionis
32,326
And probably for other things. Note what's brought down UK's Peter Mandelson (and is threatening Starmer's job) is not the girls thing per se, but the breaking of financial disclosure laws. Without even looking at the procurement of girls and young women, I bet there's more fire where that smoke came from. Unlikely in the extreme that only one UK figure or only UK figures were involved in such illegality. Where you find someone has engaged in one kind of immorality and lawbreaking, assume they are not above and looked for opportunities to participate in other forms of immorality and lawbreaking.

And none of that, apparently, is being investigated in the US.

It would take a highly popular groundswell for prosecuting all the wrongdoers for pols to campaign in and promising to go after them.

Seems like Americans have lost all desire for justice.
 
Just look at how incredibly terrible Kash Patel has been as Director of the FBI
He seems to be doing a good job at the job he was hired to do.

He wasn’t hired to be a good FBI Director by traditional measures. He was hired to protect Trump and to weaponize law enforcement against Trump foes and dissidents.
 

Shavano

Ars Legatus Legionis
68,383
Subscriptor
It would take a highly popular groundswell for prosecuting all the wrongdoers for pols to campaign in and promising to go after them.

Seems like Americans have lost all desire for justice.
Well 78 million of them did vote for Trump, so that was kind of known.
 

Shavano

Ars Legatus Legionis
68,383
Subscriptor
He seems to be doing a good job at the job he was hired to do.

He wasn’t hired to be a good FBI Director by traditional measures. He was hired to protect Trump and to weaponize law enforcement against Trump foes and dissidents.
and as usual he told us exactly what he planned to do by accusing Democrats of doing it first.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bardon

LTParis

Ars Legatus Legionis
23,188
Subscriptor

Ecmaster76

Ars Legatus Legionis
16,979
Subscriptor
Surprised this hasn't been posted yet

Ro Khanna Reads Out Names of Six “Powerful Men” in Epstein Files
“Salvatore Nuara, Zurab Mikeladze, Leonic Leonov, Nicola Caputo, Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem, CEO of Dubai Ports World. And billionaire businessman Leslie Wexner, who was labeled as a ‘co-conspirator,’ by the FBI.” Khanna said. “Now my question is: Why did it take Thomas Massie and me going to the Justice Department to get these six men’s identities to become public? And if we found six men that they were hiding in two hours, imagine how many men they are covering up for in those three million files.”


Might actually be getting a hint of momentum on this. One can hope.
 

LTParis

Ars Legatus Legionis
23,188
Subscriptor
Surprised this hasn't been posted yet

Ro Khanna Reads Out Names of Six “Powerful Men” in Epstein Files



Might actually be getting a hint of momentum on this. One can hope.
One can hope. But we may be at the juncture that as these names become exposed they just become more defiant. The americans are likely not to go after them so it will end up falling onto the hands of others to execute arrests. But they would be potentially lacking all the evidence that the US has, and also face an adversarial US. Even to the point where the US offers protection to these predators in exchange to enrich Trump more.

We are coming to a very dangerous intersection here.
 

LTParis

Ars Legatus Legionis
23,188
Subscriptor
Oh and apparently there was only limited redaction of the files. Many files that not only had your standard "blackout" redaction then were also given completely whited-out pages. No idea if these were original digital files, copies, etc. But there are TONS of files the FBI gave to the DOJ that clearly violate the Epstein transparency law.

I suspect that those document essentially destroyed here (whited out, missing pages) could be gone forever unless other parties may have them.

https://www.ms.now/news/lawmakers-say-some-epstein-files-remain-redacted-despite-dojs-pledge
 

LTParis

Ars Legatus Legionis
23,188
Subscriptor
Seems footage from the prison not only was limited on angles to his cell but somehow DVR was experiencing multiple catastrophic failures AND was intentionally wiped.

This all seems far beyond gross incompetence


IMG_5777.jpeg
 

Attachments

  • IMG_5778.jpeg
    IMG_5778.jpeg
    64.1 KB · Views: 45
Seems footage from the prison not only was limited on angles to his cell but somehow DVR was experiencing multiple catastrophic failures AND was intentionally wiped.

This all seems far beyond gross incompetence


View attachment 128073
Apparently you haven't had to work with 20 year old DVR systems. Nothing there seems unlikely.

Typical conspiracy fodder. Technology is infallible so failures can only be intentional cover up. Conspiracists are perfectly competent except for all the stupid blunders they keep making. UFOs are spaceships made by civilizations that can navigate the stars and perform impossible feats of aerobatics, but for some reason they can't stop crashing.
 

yd

Ars Legatus Legionis
22,445
Subscriptor++

wallinbl

Ars Legatus Legionis
13,726
Subscriptor
Apparently you haven't had to work with 20 year old DVR systems. Nothing there seems unlikely.

Typical conspiracy fodder. Technology is infallible so failures can only be intentional cover up. Conspiracists are perfectly competent except for all the stupid blunders they keep making. UFOs are spaceships made by civilizations that can navigate the stars and perform impossible feats of aerobatics, but for some reason they can't stop crashing.
The real problems don't stem from the memo you're responding to. Epstein supposedly had a prior suicide attempt as well. Instead of preserving the video as requested, the prison staff deleted it. It was reported to be a technical error or unintentional. During the actual death, there was some video, but what was released was discovered to be multiple videos spliced together. There is a 1 minute missing segment and a 2:53 missing segment.

However, the last paragraph of the memo posted here shows that they did take an action that deleted video - swapping out the hard drives to fix it going forward. The second image in that post shows that there was a path that didn't result in losing the video, but they went with the path that deleted the video by replacing both hard drives at the same time. The system had backup drives, but they tossed it all anyway, at the directive of the warden. That's a choice, not a "technical error".
 

LTParis

Ars Legatus Legionis
23,188
Subscriptor
Apparently you haven't had to work with 20 year old DVR systems. Nothing there seems unlikely.

Typical conspiracy fodder. Technology is infallible so failures can only be intentional cover up. Conspiracists are perfectly competent except for all the stupid blunders they keep making. UFOs are spaceships made by civilizations that can navigate the stars and perform impossible feats of aerobatics, but for some reason they can't stop crashing.
I’ve been in IT for 30 years. I’ve also worked for the FBI, DOJ, and a few other agencies. And yes at my current job I work with security systems while I support an import/export company and its assets.

Can things be chalked up to simple aged technical systems? Sure. But when you have such a high profile situation you take great care in handling and extraction of evidence.

Sure seems the stars were aligned perfectly to have this perfect recipe. If anything it deserves scrutiny.
 
Can things be chalked up to simple aged technical systems? Sure. But when you have such a high profile situation you take great care in handling and extraction of evidence.
They weren't going to go from decrepit old shit to shiny new shit just because they suddenly had a high profile prisoner. But sure, it deserved a little scrutiny and I think it received much more than that.
 

Lt_Storm

Ars Tribunus Angusticlavius
20,019
Subscriptor++
So, I was just watching a few clips from Pam Bondie's testimony, and I was reminded of that scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail where the monks are changing and bonking their heads, mainly because it made me want to emulate them. After all, beating your head into a plank repeatedly is a much more pleasant way of getting a headache than listening to that woman praise, "the best President in history"....
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bardon

Da Xiang

Ars Tribunus Angusticlavius
6,597
Subscriptor
Coincidence? I was watching an Epstein story on CNN and suddenly my Windows green-screened. The first such incident I've ever had with Windows 11 having been running the Insider Canary version from the beginning of the Windows Insider program.....It was at a point where Democrat House members were talking about all the Trump redactions they were given the first opportunity to see today.....After the reboot, Windows automatically reopened my browser to the same point but the video itself would not reopen.
 
Last edited:

wallinbl

Ars Legatus Legionis
13,726
Subscriptor
I'm a bit confused over the "outrage" or reporting that Bondi showed up with a list of the files that particular members of Congress on committee had viewed. Given they were going to ask her questions and expect her to answer, that would provide context for what they might be asking and what she'd need to know to answer them.

Bondi is terrible and should resign or be removed, but I feel like that part was just reasonable preparation.
 

LTParis

Ars Legatus Legionis
23,188
Subscriptor
I'm a bit confused over the "outrage" or reporting that Bondi showed up with a list of the files that particular members of Congress on committee had viewed. Given they were going to ask her questions and expect her to answer, that would provide context for what they might be asking and what she'd need to know to answer them.

Bondi is terrible and should resign or be removed, but I feel like that part was just reasonable preparation.
The "burn notes" were nothing but personal attacks and retorts. Not to actually bone her up on possible answers to give. Which she didn't give a single one in her testimony.
 
I'm a bit confused over the "outrage" or reporting that Bondi showed up with a list of the files that particular members of Congress on committee had viewed. Given they were going to ask her questions and expect her to answer, that would provide context for what they might be asking and what she'd need to know to answer them.

Bondi is terrible and should resign or be removed, but I feel like that part was just reasonable preparation.
There are a few issues: The executive doesn't get to monitor Congress. Congress gets the monitor the executive, while the executive is specifically forbidden from taking some actions against Congress. Its a violation of separation of powers,

Second, Congress didn't authorize the executive to spend money doing that. Congress controls what the government gets to spend money on.

Something similar was a huge scandal during the CIA torture nonsense. Though as usual because no one was punished the executive took it as a sign they can do whatever and get away with it.

So its less that Bondi showed up with some middle school burns and more that she had to wipe her ass with the constitution to do it.
 

wallinbl

Ars Legatus Legionis
13,726
Subscriptor
I'm really struggling with the implication that pedophiles can go free because the stock market is up, and that's the position of the DOJ. What the actual fuck is that thought process?

(I know, everyone thinks they can get away with the kind of nonsense Trump gets away with, but every one of them finds out it's unique to him)
 

wallinbl

Ars Legatus Legionis
13,726
Subscriptor
There are a few issues: The executive doesn't get to monitor Congress. Congress gets the monitor the executive, while the executive is specifically forbidden from taking some actions against Congress. Its a violation of separation of powers,
If these materials are unreleased and must be viewed in a SCIF, isn't all of that logged and recorded? Isn't that mandatory?
 
If these materials are unreleased and must be viewed in a SCIF, isn't all of that logged and recorded? Isn't that mandatory?

DOJ and Court records aren't classified with the National Security classification system. SCIFs are for the NatSec system.

I do not know the details, but I do not think they are only viewable in a SCIF. And generally Congress runs its own SCIFs because of that separation of powers thing.
 

m0nckywrench

Ars Tribunus Angusticlavius
7,491
However, the last paragraph of the memo posted here shows that they did take an action that deleted video - swapping out the hard drives to fix it going forward. The second image in that post shows that there was a path that didn't result in losing the video, but they went with the path that deleted the video by replacing both hard drives at the same time. The system had backup drives, but they tossed it all anyway, at the directive of the warden. That's a choice, not a "technical error".
The government assertion disconnecting old hard drives from an unpowered DVR would somehow wipe them without user intervention is idiotic.

Even if drives didn't work for non-techie users that doesn't mean a data recovery service could not recover some or all of the data.

EDIT:
DVR was a NiceVision Pro NP 2000 by Nice Systems. It was a ~2009 era machine, long obsolete and unsupported therefore convenient for deniability.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: acefsw

Shavano

Ars Legatus Legionis
68,383
Subscriptor
I'm really struggling with the implication that pedophiles can go free because the stock market is up, and that's the position of the DOJ. What the actual fuck is that thought process?

(I know, everyone thinks they can get away with the kind of nonsense Trump gets away with, but every one of them finds out it's unique to him)
The thought process appears to be Bondi took a bribe to not investigate the Epstein conspiracy years ago and she knows if certain files get out she's cooked.