War with...Iran?

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$8.59 to $8.93 is a bit shy of a 4% increase. That does not sound significant at all.
It's not, so far, but as per my pevious post, that rise does not yet reflect the war.
Also, Israel is a lot less reliant on private cars for transport than the US is (although public transport is worse than most European cities).

And being a small, crowded country, average annual driving distance is just 9200mi for private cars (15600mi for those that are leased).
Interestingly, BEVs do on average 43% more mileage than ICEVs, as cheap electricity makes them quite popular (20% of all new cars in 2025).
 

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Trump has claimed they’ve sunk all of Iran’s navy and mine laying boats, that Iranian USVs are AI fake news, and that they’ve virtually destroyed the rest of Iran’s military, therefore it should be safe for the US to lead the way and run a couple destroyers through the strait, right?
 

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Why lie about things we can objectively prove?

Anyway, America has never committed a genocide, there are still Native Americans around, after all.

Edit: apologies to the forum, for I have broken one of our quantum golden rules; some lies we call opinion, and some opinions are sacrosanct.
so if 99% of a group is killed but the oppressor fails to succeed in eliminating 100% of any group then we can't call it genocide—got it.
 
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The circuit boards can certainly be built in garages, that isn't that hard. Both CNC and acid etching techniques should be able to manage it without much equipment. About the only parts that can't be easily made in a garage are the motors, batteries, electronic components, and explosives. I also suppose that it might be somewhat difficult to make really good propellers, though 3d printed ones are perfectly functional. Honestly, you could probably make a fairly good attempt at the motors as well, though, again, it's usually easier to get those shipped.
My 17-y.o. kid is building an autonomous quadcopter as his final school project (no explosives, his will use image recognition algorithms to follow a person around). While he and his partner are rolling their own (including 3D printing of chassis, body and propellers, soldering, SW etc.), there's a huge body of open-source SW and HW for building virtually every kind of quadcopter (not the large attack-type UAVs) they're using as benchmarks.

All parts (controllers, motors, batteries, PCBs, remote controls etc.) available from China, and both AliExpress and AliBaba (in volume orders) will send everything to Iran.
 
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Australia confirmed they won’t be sending any ships and the UK said they’ll send mine sweeping ships. Japan just said there are high hurdles to sending ships (basically, no), and South Korea said they’re considering the suggestion (a face saving stalling tactic, basically).

Israel isn’t being asked to send any ships AFAIK.
The Israeli Navy has already sunk a non-negligible part of the sunk IRGC Navy ships and boats using its missile corvettes and submarines, in addition to using them to bomb coastal targets, it just hasn't been publicized.

It's too small a navy to be useful for convoy security (also no minesweepers) -- it's really more of a Coast Guard than a navy -- and the Gulf states would rather not be perceived as cooperating militarily directly with Israel anyway; there has been quiet intelligence sharing on what the IRGC will target in the Gulf.
 

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Iran's biggest negotiating lever right now is world-wide economic disruption. The more severe, the better for Iran. So I suspect their "needs shooting at" list is a whole lot bigger than you're suggesting it should be.

Apparently India has already been explicitly excluded from the Iranian "needs shooting at" list.

Which in itself is already sufficient to take this into "well, this is interesting" territory, because as we learned from the embargo on Russian oil, India will happily buy cheap crude from embargoed -- the Iranian closure is nothing more than a kinetic embargo on all oil that needs to transit the Straight -- sources, refine it or arrange for its refinement, and sell it on with a profit.
 

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Well, I’ve been told that we should increase carbon taxes and switch to EVs (which I agree with). Congratulations, this will incentivize that. Do I lose sleep at night that everyone continuously betting on cheap oil in 2026 now has to pay 10% more for their gas? Not really. Global equity markets are up 4% year to date, up 25% over one year, and up 75% over three years. So clearly markets are not seeing impeding doom either.
So the answer to whether or not this is a good negotiation technique is a confused ramble about transitioning to green energy? You're trying to sell me the idea that it's all a 4D chess move to cut emissions? By the guy who thinks EVs make you gay and wind turbines cause cancer? Is that also why he's been trying to shut down wind projects in the US?
 

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It's not, so far, but as per my pevious post, that rise does not yet reflect the war.
Also, Israel is a lot less reliant on private cars for transport than the US is (although public transport is worse than most European cities).

And being a small, crowded country, average annual driving distance is just 9200mi for private cars (15600mi for those that are leased).
Interestingly, BEVs do on average 43% more mileage than ICEVs, as cheap electricity makes them quite popular (20% of all new cars in 2025).
And US is subsidizing fuel costs for Israel, guaranteeing it supplies.

So Americans get to pay a lot more for fuel, Israelis likely won't pay nearly as much more.
 

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President Trump is trying to assemble an international coalition to reopen the strait. “If there’s no response or if it’s a negative response I think it will be very bad for the future of Nato.”

Donald, you've probably forgotten about it since it didn't begin yesterday, but we're dealing with a war in Eastern Europe right now. So if you want us to commit our forces to the Middle East, you will have to commit US forces to our issue. Destroying Russia's war production facilities would be fine. Do it by US air or ground forces, your choice. But until we see results of your commitment to us, you won't get squat in return.

You're all about transactional relationships Donald, so this should be easy for you to understand.
 

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Vessels that are transiting the strait are requesting Iranian approval.
So I guess the next step in this buffet of stupidity is for the navy to start boarding and seizing these ships as enemy combatants? Clearly they are working for the enemy if Iran is allowing them through.
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It would seem Hegseth is publicly bragging about perpetrating and possibly preparing to give orders for a strategy that would be an unambiguous, explicitly stated war crime going back to the 1800s in US code (i.e. offering "no quarter"): https://www.axios.com/2026/03/15/trump-hegseth-iran-war-no-quarter
Of course he does. If he can order the flat-out execution of Venezuelan sailors (criminal or not) in international waters after sinking their boats, without anyone balking at the orders, and without any consequence for anyone involved, why would he not up the ante in his Holy War?

ETA: Hegseth is like Bunny from Platoon, except someone made him fucking SecDef because this is the shittiest timeline.
 
So I guess the next step in this buffet of stupidity is for the navy to start boarding and seizing these ships as enemy combatants? Clearly they are working for the enemy if Iran is allowing them through.
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Oh don't suggest that -- if they start doing that on the regular someone is going to have the very easy and bright idea to rig one with Semtex stem-to-stern and wait for the Navy boat to come close enough.
 

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The mentally deranged dotard occupant of the white house is talking on CNN right now.
How can anyone hear him speak and not think the 25th amendment is appropriate and needed now?!

NATO is a defensive alliance.. not a coalition of the willing for wars of choice.

Sounds like Japan is going to take the bait, though..
You don't understand Trump.

NATO nations, Japan, Australia, South Korea,... are not allies to him. They are vassals. And good vassals pay tribute to their imperial betters and when those imperial betters need some cannon fodder they provide that cannon fodder with a bow and a smile.

A not insignificant share of the GOP does not understand that other nations have agency and don't just wait with bated breath for America (FUCK YEAH!) to make a move to follow.
And Trump, as the clinical narcissist that he is, is definitely one of them.
 
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Yeah I am definitely using reality in a reductionist way; to me the basis for reality is that everything has consequence as it interacts. Laws of energy, motion etc. Most of us have to deal with much more social consequences, which is your point if I understand correctly. It's bigger than that to me, Trump's whole 'reality' is an alien hellscape and I'm glad I'm not born into that world every moment I'm alive.
It's not so much social consequences as more permanent consequences. These a difference between the consequences of stacking logs and setting them on fire. If the former is a mistake, it's usually easy enough to stop and put them back. If the later is a mistake, well, the logs are gone and there is no undoing.

Something about how Trump inhabits the world has made nearly all his mistakes similar to the former where all that need be done is to stop and maybe put the logs back, even meant time when that should have been impossible. But, this time the logs are thoroughly burnt, there is no just stopping and putting things back. That's something he would never predict happening because he has lived his life in a consequence free bubble.

As for Trump's reality being an alien hellscape, that seems fair enough. Though, honestly, I'd argue that's less his reality and more one of his personality traits. Narcissism tends to leave one stuck in hell on earth.

Let’s put down a realistic timeline. We’re talking about transforming the region for the next century, and you’re declaring a strategic loss after less than three weeks during which the US has achieved every operational objective? Multiple news sources have already reported that preparations suggest this is likely to go on until September, which you don’t need to be a genius to see (as mentioned, a third carrier strike group is already on the way). And yes, this isn’t what Trump is saying… because, again, the average voter reads at a 6th grade level and barely makes it through a TikTok video. He’s speaking to the larger public, and you’re not the target audience.

The issue here has to do with the kind of intervention we are performing vs what's kind of intervention would be required to transform the region for the next century. Suffice it to say: bombs aren't fit for for that purpose, at most, they will create a new generation of Iranians that hate or stinking guts. Strategically, this is nothing but a downside.

Which means that, if we wanted to "transform the region for the next century", we would have to do something that looks more like what we did in Afghanistan or Iraq, boots on the ground, nation building, and all that crap. Which means that, if we went that way, this won't be over this year or even this decade. And even then, it would be likely that we lose the war, after all that was the eventual outcome in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

And then there is the Strait of Hormuz, through which roughly a fifth of the world's oil used to flow. Suffice it to say that, unless this is Trump's secret attempt to get everyone to build wind mills and such, this is really a complete strategic and tactical blunder.

So, the best case scenario looks like the prior status quo, assuming we could figure out some way to achieve that. Failing that, we are talking about a decades long war and occupation. Or maybe we quickly accept defeat and learn to deal with the strait of Hormuz being closed. None of these this look much like the kind of victory that solves any of our war objectives, presuming we have something so sensible as "war objectives", you know, because every time someone suggests one, Trump says "no that isn't why we did this". So, realistically, this is a war that we are going to lose.
 
NATO nations, Japan, Australia, South Korea,... are not allies to him. They are vassals. And good vassals pay tribute to their imperial betters and when those imperial betters need some cannon fodder they provide that cannon fodder with a bow and a smile.
I disagree -- he views all other previous allies as leeches. Just the other day, he said something to the effect of "why should we protect countries that don't protect us?"
 
Narcissism tends to leave one stuck in hell on earth.
It is a distinct comfort to me knowing that malignant narcissists are permanently, fundamentally and thoroughly miserable their entire lives.

(Yes, it is a distinctly small comfort to know that the hundred or so power brokers and Project 2025 and DOGE cockweevils will always be miserable, compared to them killing half a million children already -- but I did not enable them, I cannot disable them, and I have to take my small jollies when they present themselves. They are rare enough. And yes, this is beyond cynical and sardonic, but goddammit, look around, what else is there at this point?)
 

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It is a distinct comfort to me knowing that malignant narcissists are permanently, fundamentally and thoroughly miserable their entire lives.
Except during that rare moment when someone hands them their Nobel Peace Prize or Olympic gold metal. Though that break from misery is brief and only really serves to remind that misery isn't the only state.
 
Grandpa really needs to go bed and take his meds.
Grandpa needs to resign and go away. It's really not funny anymore. Not beyond the occasional friendly ribbing of the elderly slowing down when they're in the room to hear it, mind you... but this child rapist with melted Mozzarella for brains has already killed a half a million children in his second term alone, has now started a massive regional war that will make everyone suffer, and to "help" the suffering is allowing another belligerent free rein to fill their coffers.

Ha ha, My sardonic reservoir is running dry. It's really not fucking funny anymore, at all.
 
Except during that rare moment when someone hands them their Nobel Peace Prize or Olympic gold metal. Though that break from misery is brief and only really serves to remind that misery isn't the only state.
The thing is, these awards are fake and even Donald Trump, with a 90ish IQ, can figure out that it is fake.

The USA's fate was sealed when Obama just laid into Trump. 2011, wasn't it? I watched that and thought it was funny until the camera was on Trump for a second. I swear, I could see the Elder God swirls of hatred and bigotry rising up around him in a mist, chomping at the Reconstruction, the CRA, and just consuming everything in big hateful blotches of centuries-old white grievance and hatred.

We're still floating on those waves. Trust me: talk to any MAGA supporter and just gently pick at WHY Kamala is so stupid or WHY AOC has no plans or WHY "All lives matter" or WHY it is fine for ICE to execute citizens in the streets and see what you get. Trust me, it doesn't take long. Be friendly and non-judgmental, and within minutes, certain flags are sure to come out and fly.
 

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I think you mean around 150. Turns out, "casualty" isn't short for dead, and war injuries can be life altering.

Not to mention the fact the Trump admin has openly lied to us on many things and are almost certainly cooking the economic numbers means these casualty reports are likely being reduced for political reasons.
 

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Not to mention the fact the Trump admin has openly lied to us on many things and are almost certainly cooking the economic numbers means these casualty reports are likely being reduced for political reasons.
Are y’all saying the people who continuously and shamelessly lie about literally everything and are currently literally threatening to kill journalists for talking about the war might be…hiding things?

How preposterous!
 

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Well, in Europe we breathlessly await the Sun King of the Americas tariffs and other assorted toys he can throw out of the pram now Europe has basically said "Not our war, not our problem".
Not sure what he has got left to throw out of the pram though, he's already lifted sanctions on Russia and has put tariffs on the EU, maybe he'll find some new nasty words?

To be continued.
 

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unless this is Trump's secret attempt to get everyone to build wind mills and such
I'd be fine with this lasting long enough to coerce global clean energy adoption by public demand. Wars
driven and tyranny enabled by economic necessity to by (present and future pollution) poison others won't cease until that need does.

Otherwise humanity will continue killing in order to poison its future. A price will inevitably be paid either way and not a small one.
 
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