Verizon’s $70 gigabit Internet is half the price of older 750Mbps tier
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$100.00 says they'll play this off as the price they can charge for service when they're allowed to sell customer data.
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Doesn't matter how fast you can connect to the ISP, it's how much bandwidth they have going out shared amongst the users. You'll never hit the max throughput speed from end to end.
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Silicon Valley ISP options were horrid for a number of years.
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Isn't it ridiculous?
My choices where I live in SV are: Sonic.net @12/1 (slow DSL, but awesome company/customer service, what I have), Comcast at 250/??? for $80/month for 12 months, then doubles in price (nope, just nope), and...AT&T DSL at the same speed as Sonic for more money. And some fixed wireless options.
I live less than 5 miles from Google/Apple/etc.
Fucking ridiculous. Verizon isn't an option. Anything fiber based is not an option. Comcast or DSL is my option.
Makes my blood boil when I think about it...
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At least they're doing it in all territories and not just where Google fiber is like Comcast and AT&T do.
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You got conned to by Verizon PR.
Unless there's Comcast competition, you can get 500 mbit per second for an Extra $200.00 per month.
There is not deal anywhere else.
Secondly, this is the problem with Verizon.
You pay them $1000's per year and get NO PERFORMANCE Improvement Ever, unless these competition.
Whereas, with Apple you pay for that iPhone upgrade but you GET A BETTER IPHONE, better, faster and more secure, and Apple doesn't sell your personal info.
One these companies is admired, the other is hated.
Wonder why?
Unless there's Comcast competition, you can get 500 mbit per second for an Extra $200.00 per month.
There is not deal anywhere else.
Secondly, this is the problem with Verizon.
You pay them $1000's per year and get NO PERFORMANCE Improvement Ever, unless these competition.
Whereas, with Apple you pay for that iPhone upgrade but you GET A BETTER IPHONE, better, faster and more secure, and Apple doesn't sell your personal info.
One these companies is admired, the other is hated.
Wonder why?
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This one is easy. Because a GB of data through their mobile subsidiary is an order of magnitude more expensive (and profitable). That's why they aren't laying fiber to houses for the most part anymore...and its in their interest to prevent others from doing that as well. In the end they want you to use 5G for your house at those much higher prices.
This is why all the the owners of mobile networks should have to divest themselves of their landline sibsidiaries (as well as content providers / creators). JMHO....
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The same reason anyone sells to Frontier, the infrastructure in your area is so old that upgrading it would cost more than they would ever be able to make back.
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I've got Fios and pay more than this for less than 10% of the speed. They keep sending me junk mail too. Every day I get mail advertising a much better deal than I currently get. I call them up and say WTF... apparently it's only available for new customers. They get twice the speed for less than I pay. ISPs certainly have racket going.
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If one figures that TCP/IP overhead is somewhere in the ballpark of 2-5%, that puts it in the 960-990 mbit/s region. These are bit rates that are difficult to achieve even on a LAN. It really does, however, make one wonder what the catch is.
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For comparison, Here is Frontier FiOS (formerly Verizon FiOS) in my area (well within LA County, in a very upscale neighborhood):
Simply FiOS 150/150
Prices starting at just
60.00/mo for 6 months with 2-yr. agmt. $70 per month for months 7-24. Equip., early term. and other fees apply.
I currently have 100/100, and I'm paying them $70/month, but they refuse to upgrade me to this offer, and are asking me to pay $90/mo.
They LOVE their existing customers. /s
EDIT: 150/150 is their max speed offering, by the way. This is it. Top of the line.
Simply FiOS 150/150
Prices starting at just
60.00/mo for 6 months with 2-yr. agmt. $70 per month for months 7-24. Equip., early term. and other fees apply.
I currently have 100/100, and I'm paying them $70/month, but they refuse to upgrade me to this offer, and are asking me to pay $90/mo.
They LOVE their existing customers. /s
EDIT: 150/150 is their max speed offering, by the way. This is it. Top of the line.
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They sold state of the art fios infrastructure (2.4 gigabit GPON) to Frontier. The reason is far sadder. Cellular is more profitable so they sold off profitable FIOS to Frontier (who will run it into the ground) to build MOAR towers and thus MOAR cellular profits.
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America desperately needs broadband competition. Unfortunately, federal, state, and local governments often work hand in hand with de facto monopolistic incumbents to squelch true competition. What amuses me, in a sick way, is how an ISP can magically find a way to match Google gigabit pricing when its available in an area. Google, know that if you come to my area, I will support you even if a bit higher than current offerings such as Comcast. Why? Because I know these ISPs don't care to be fair; they want only to squeeze as hard as possible.
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Meanwhile, in Seoul,South Korea. You can get symmetrical 1 GB up-and-down for 15 bucks a month.
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Honestly, I'm surprised they are being honest. On my gigabit connection, I only ever got around 900 or so max download and upload. Seems like they may have taken real averages here (although they are still on the high end). However, that doesn't really matter to us now. Those speeds are cheaper than the old ones and faster. In the end this is better for customers and it doesn't hurt anyone. When we start needed more bandwidth, or a business needs all the speed they can get, the actual definition will be enforced. I have around 300 right now on average and really cant notice that much of a difference between this and gigabit.
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And all the FIOS customers Verizon dumped in Texas and other states to Frontier can go get fucked
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Screw you
(jealous).
But, socialism, or something. Free market competition, deregulation, etc. 'Murica!
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Do they have a monthly download cap? "Yes, we have Gigabit service, and it's SO fast that you'll run through your monthly cap in only 2 hours!"
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That's 233.7 square miles. New York City is 304.6 square miles. Not to mention that the whole country is smaller than the state of Texas. That makes a big difference. If the United States didn't have so much rural areas and people weren't spread out, Im sure that we would see cheaper prices since there is less land to cover. I'm all for cheaper prices, but the installation cost is definitely more here.
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Being better than the majority of other ISPs doesn't make it okay. However, I missed that they're not advertising it as symmetrical. That's my mistake then, I thought Verizon was now only doing symmetrical FiOS plans so I assumed this one was being advertised as such as well.
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FYI: Just talked to Verizon about this and they are insisting to me that the offer is for new customers only. $160 for existing customers. They weren't moved when I told them that there's no mention of this in their press release.
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My triple play package, which was 75/75, is $150 per month with HBO & Showtime. It would have gone to $270 with their deal for the gigabit tier, keeping everything else the same.
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My triple play package, which was 75/75, is $150 per month with HBO & Showtime. It would have gone to $270 with their deal for the gigabit tier, keeping everything else the same.
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Meanwhile, all of South Korea would fit in the area between Los Angeles and San Francisco, so it's rather small...land wise. And easier to reach more people. The US is the 3rd largest country...land wise (second to Russia and Canada). We're very spread out.
Though, having said that, you'd think that all of Silicon Valley would be wired with Gigabit speeds.
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That's better than what they offer me here in Oregon.
The 150 tier is $100 for the first 6 months and $110 for months 7-24. The fine print also buries a modem fee that kicks in after the first 6 months. After that it's $5 month but that is still discounted from the normal $10 a month fee apparently.
O well I'm happy enough on my 35/35 plan for $35 a month and not sure I'd upgrade to a GB plan for $70. Yeah it's a ton faster but we never have problems with our current plan and still twice the cost. (small household and rarely trying to do multiple bandwidth heavy things at once). It was also a major pain to get onto this plan from the 15/5 plan I started on so happy to not deal with their customer service if I don't have to.
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Do you have more than 1 Internet user in the home? Do you do more than 1 single thing at a time? If not, then gigabit won't benefit you much, as you've noticed.
However, if you have multiple streaming devices in a home, multiple phones/tablets/PCs/consoles, multiple people trying to do things simultaneously, then more bandwidth is always usable.
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Having said that, 1 GB symmetrical up and down in Moscow is 12 bucks/mo.
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The ISP market in the US is garbage. There is no city with a vibrant, modern ISP market as seen in virtually every other developed country on Earth. We are a third world country. Stop trying to spin it.
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Ironically, I'm just at a year in my current FiOS contract, so I checked the "My Verizon" website, but to no avail: it still says that my current promotion ends next month, and that my rates will be going up by $10*, with no option to switch to the new tiers. I don't know if that means that the new gigabit tier simply hasn't reached my area yet -- which would quite annoy me, as I live in one of the "pilot" neighborhoods, where we've paid the premium for FiOS since very nearly the beginning of roll out -- or if it means that the "automatic price reduction" is being denied to me, due to the existing contract. I somehow doubt that they're going to make it easy for me to find out, even though I'd happily jump up to that gigabit tier and give them more money, if they'd let me. (Come on, Verizon! I even just got a raise... throw me a bone, here!)
* My numbers, if you're interested:
- $85 is the base price for my 50/50Mbps internet-only connection.
- I pay $45 this month, and will be paying $55 next month.
- $10 of that promotion expires this month, while the rest of the promotion is scheduled to expire next April... at which point I will either be renegotiating or switching providers. Unless I can finally go gigabit before then, of course.
* My numbers, if you're interested:
- $85 is the base price for my 50/50Mbps internet-only connection.
- I pay $45 this month, and will be paying $55 next month.
- $10 of that promotion expires this month, while the rest of the promotion is scheduled to expire next April... at which point I will either be renegotiating or switching providers. Unless I can finally go gigabit before then, of course.
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So, is Verizon caveating performance because of the limits of their routers? Aren't literal gigabit and 10gb chips fairly exotic?
I run Intel GbE end to end and my local speed still caps out at 960Mbps. Not that I want to take a lot of time out of my day to defend a despicable lying company that pushed baby killer Ajit Pai into power, but pushing a gigabit signal and only having the hardware for consumer rollout that falls within the stated limits sounds consistent with what they're proposing.
Not to mention, it would otherwise very clearly be false advertising. Gigabit is a bit easier to define than 'unlimited'.
I run Intel GbE end to end and my local speed still caps out at 960Mbps. Not that I want to take a lot of time out of my day to defend a despicable lying company that pushed baby killer Ajit Pai into power, but pushing a gigabit signal and only having the hardware for consumer rollout that falls within the stated limits sounds consistent with what they're proposing.
Not to mention, it would otherwise very clearly be false advertising. Gigabit is a bit easier to define than 'unlimited'.
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I am trying to figure out some of the discrepancies we're seeing between what Verizon said and the actual offer.
Is it giving you any option to purchase the gigabit plan on a standalone basis, with no TV? If you could email me that would be good, I'm at jon.brodkin@meincmagazine.com. Thanks.
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Available in my part of Fairfax County, being a current user they want $159 a month just for the Gigabit Internet, no thanks. I have 75/75 for $54 right now
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My objection was on the upload being 850 Mbps since I thought Verizon had moved to only offering symmetrical FiOS connections. Someone else pointed out that this ISN'T, in fact, being marketed as symmetrical though, so knowing that it's being called gigabit based only on the downstream being 940 Mbps, I'm fine with calling it gigabit.
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Really? My first "broadband" connection was a 384Kbps SDSL line; you must be a young pup.
(And yes... I also remember having dial-up modems, going back to 2400 baud. We didn't bother with home-based internet, prior to that.)
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"But if Verizon follows past practice, there will be router rental fees and other taxes and fees that raise prices above the advertised rate."
Just to be clear, you don't need to rent a router from Verizon, I'm using an Apple Airport directly connected to the ONT. If you only have internet access (no TV / Phone) there are not taxes or fees, you pay the list price. My bill for just internet 75/75Mbps is $49.99/month.
Just to be clear, you don't need to rent a router from Verizon, I'm using an Apple Airport directly connected to the ONT. If you only have internet access (no TV / Phone) there are not taxes or fees, you pay the list price. My bill for just internet 75/75Mbps is $49.99/month.
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Verizon (and almost every single other ISP) is happily screwing customers over in the densest parts of NYC, Boston, LA, etc. They also recieve, have always recievd, and will continue to receive, massive federal subsidies to support rural areas. Yeah, those same areas that still use rotting copper lines installed 30+ years ago that barely get functioning DSL, maybe.
Your point?
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