Where and how are you listening? I find that specialisation is really happening a lot. Tons of old (sub) genres are coming back, like Drum and Bass, and Post Punk for example. Pop has always been ludicrously generic and non-genre specific, but most of the other genres go through ups and down IMEWell, the idea of music genres is dying these days. I wouldn't even know how to genre-classify half of my liked songs from this year. Tags are more useful; what instruments are in it, what is the rhythm/pace like, what's the vibe it gives, etc.
For what you're talking about probably some sort of -wave, based on the description.
Mostly through Spotify these days? I also use YouTube to find smaller artists. And I listen around to what my friends and family are listening to. I can agree about Pop, but I also feel like that's often the point- I don't listen to Pop to hear something complex or deep; I listen to it to dance or jam out, often when I'm tired or upset.Where and how are you listening? I find that specialisation is really happening a lot. Tons of old (sub) genres are coming back, like Drum and Bass, and Post Punk for example. Pop has always been ludicrously generic and non-genre specific, but most of the other genres go through ups and down IME
That's what I was thinking. Spotify follows the same model as the other social media platforms:Mostly through Spotify these days? I also use YouTube to find smaller artists. And I listen around to what my friends and family are listening to. I can agree about Pop, but I also feel like that's often the point- I don't listen to Pop to hear something complex or deep; I listen to it to dance or jam out, often when I'm tired or upset.
I don't check out what Spotify directly recommends too often; I usually look for key words or most of all I go to a song I like and use the "Song radio" option to get stuff more like it and repeat until I'm satisfied. But for me, I like everything basically. So genres feel conceptually limiting to me. My favorite songs are usually ones that mix genres; Dan Bull's I'm Heading Out is a sea shanty rap, Melody Fall's Remember the Name is a metal cover of rap song, etc. And what genre would something like Indifferent or Give A Little by LeGrand fall under? I think genres only go through ups and downs if you're following the same bands for long periods. I've never been at a loss for good music (or at least music I like) in any genre, personally.
The problem with that analysis is that the decline of the British Empire took over a century. It would encompass everything from Georgian and Victorian ditties up to the British Invasion.Can we make any parallels of Roman or British Empire pop tunes in the days of waning empires, respectively?
Really? I used to listen to a lot of radio, but I felt like they were always too samey- too focused on stuff that was popular. Listening for a week and hearing the same 3 'classics' or 'hits', only 1 of which I really like just didn't do it for me. And like I said, I tend to bounce off of Spotify's direct suggestions, because I only want a handful of songs that sound one way- new music is usually serendipity for me.That's what I was thinking. Spotify follows the same model as the other social media platforms:
"here's what you've listened to with some variations, here are some filters if you insist"
I'm not listening to nearly enough new music at the moment, but when I do I tend to listen to streaming radio stations that I like.
Saying that, I find that live shows is really the way to go to hear what's happening out there. At least locally.
I bounced off Spotify. Not because I'm some purist or whatever. I just prefer the randomness of the radio DJs. That being said, they are probably using Spotify as there playlist generator LOL
Oh I know. Main stream commercial radio is hellish. Independent or government funded stations are a good foil for those horror shows. Here in Melbourne the main gotos for me areReally? I used to listen to a lot of radio, but I felt like they were always too samey- too focused on stuff that was popular. Listening for a week and hearing the same 3 'classics' or 'hits', only 1 of which I really like just didn't do it for me. And like I said, I tend to bounce off of Spotify's direct suggestions, because I only want a handful of songs that sound one way- new music is usually serendipity for me.
As for live shows, I dunno. They're so hard to find, or at least they seem to be for me. Never been a 'live music' guy except for bands I really love. Extremely unpopular opinion, but it just feels like listening to a less clean version of the song with extra background noise, usually in a stuffy and crowded room. I can get into it every once in a while, but I can't imagine live music being the main way I listened to anything...
and the fall of the Roman Empire took around 1000 years. Any modern comparisons to the Roman empire are almost always ludicrous. See Shaun's great video:The problem with that analysis is that the decline of the British Empire took over a century. It would encompass everything from Georgian and Victorian ditties up to the British Invasion.
BTW, Jakob Dylan is also a superlative lyricist.I caught up with an old friend last weekend who has been writing death metal (and releasing albums) for decades. He is the bass player, singer and lyricist so I asked him about writing lyrics. The conversation was hilarious, because basically his theory is that simple, childlike phrases and concepts are the way the to go. i.e. Dylan he is not.
Not repetitive though
Fair point on crowd vibes; I'm just a pretty asocial person, so they're usually a lot for me. And I guess I don't really have an appreciation for the craft aspect; not diminishing it, but for me it's just about if the end result sounds good. Like, I've always hated the criticism that electronic music "doesn't take enough skill" because you don't have to play an instrument.Oh I know. Main stream commercial radio is hellish. Independent or government funded stations are a good foil for those horror shows. Here in Melbourne the main gotos for me are
Triple RRR (local independent)
PBS (local independent)
Double JJ (ABC/Government no ads)
Tripe JJJ (ABC/Government no ads)
Loads of new music. Lots of focus on local artists, but tons of up and coming international stuff, and even the occasional pop song
As for live music? I've played guitar for more than 30 years so I love to go see bands and see artists going sick. I also like the tribal vibe of a good crowd. I also love having a good stomp to rock and dance as well. I love seeing DJs as well, but that is mainly the crowd vibe and dancing my (now very old) ass off
I have heard the Texas music scene (I know it is a big generalisation) is brilliant. Hopefully one day I will zoom back to the US and go see some shows! (Europe this year first)I live in Texas, near Dallas. Supposedly there is a good music scene here, but a lot of it is word-of-mouth, so it's invisible to me.
I've heard the same thing, I just have no idea how people know about local shows. The only ones advertised online are when big bands pass through.I have heard the Texas music scene (I know it is a big generalisation) is brilliant. Hopefully one day I will zoom back to the US and go see some shows! (Europe this year first)
At least you used the term "snowflake" so nobody has to waste time taking you seriously.It's all boring snow flake music today. Fifty years from now it will not be relevant like what was produced from the sixties up to the early nineties ( Pre rock group Nivana )
What can lyrics tell us about different genres and eras? Results for the first analysis showed that certain characteristics are most important across genres, including repeated lines, choruses, and emotional language. The genres in which emotion was most important were country and R&B.

Yes, but outliers don't make a trend (by definition).It's trivial to find counterpoint to the 'modern music is less lyrically complex' meme.
Yes, but outliers don't make a trend (by definition).
Every time I hear this mentioned, and people in good faith ask which ones because they'd like to stop listening to those bands, never get a reply. I'm not confident it's real.Are there that many Norwegian Black Metal bands with Nazi sympathies? The only one that comes to mind is Burzum, and beyond that my only knowledge of NBM controversy is that they occasionally burned down churches in a sort of nordic kayfabe. Then again, I haven't done a lot of research on the topic, mostly because I get the feeling it would put me on some kind of watchlist.
No list of repetitive dittys would be complete without this chart topper from the 40s:The list of simple, repetitive songs of the sixties is long...
And don't even get me started about 1950s rock.
"There's a bathroom on the right...."Creedence Clearwater Revival are skewing the curve.
EDIT: One of the all-time greatest bands, but if you can understand half of what John Fogerty is saying, you're a better man than I am.
I knew precisely what I was saying and stand by it. What‘s really hilarious is your insulting me for being, your word, an adult. I have equal contempt for your attitude as you apparently do for mine. I earned every “old and crochety“ thought that I have. You can only hope that someday you‘ll reach adulthood.You cannot comprehend how old and crochety your second paragraph sounds. Language changes, and everyone thinks new slang sounds stupid; the whole point is to say things adults aren't. Get over yourself.
and the fall of the Roman Empire took around 1000 years. Any modern comparisons to the Roman empire are almost always ludicrous. See Shaun's great video:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqCCx4wj79o
You are my hero. Too bad only 1 upvote at a time!TBH, I feel the same about Ars comments over the 20+ years I've been here under various handles.
Heck even the battlefront threads from the past were a lot more polite than the regular threads of recent times. Seems like everyone loves to be contagiously angry nowadays ...
Austin, TX is one of the biggest music scenes in the countryI have heard the Texas music scene (I know it is a big generalisation) is brilliant. Hopefully one day I will zoom back to the US and go see some shows! (Europe this year first)
Look up local venuesI've heard the same thing, I just have no idea how people know about local shows. The only ones advertised online are when big bands pass through.
Yes, that can be the only reason.We get it, you're old and crusty. You don't have to keep saying it over and over again. And I don't even care for Taylor Swift.
We get it, you're old and crusty. You don't have to keep saying it over and over again. And I don't even care for Taylor Swift.
From the study :You obviously don't listen to hip-hop or you wouldn't spew these bigoted stereotypes about it.
There's a ton of stuff in Spanish now, from Latin America and the US itself. People are also listening to Korean music. English is not the only language of music, and if you can't find something interesting in that language, there are thousands of others.Guy with Musicology degree here: Music -- and particularly pop music -- has been roughly stagnant since the early '90s. It's sad.
If you compare music over the decades in 2-decade intervals, you'll see massive differences between all of them. Music of the '40s is totally unlike music of the '20s and '60s. Music of the '50s is totally different from music of the '30s and '70s.
And while music of the '80s is nothing like the music of the '60s, there's a shitton of pop music on the radio today that wouldn't have seemed at all out of place in the late '80s into the '90s.
The only real musical change of the past 35+ years has been the addition of hip-hop in white pop music, but that happened in the '90s and hasn't gone far since then.
I too love being called old at 33 by people who seemingly think like teenagers. It’s an epidemic of grown-up kids out here.I knew precisely what I was saying and stand by it. What‘s really hilarious is your insulting me for being, your word, an adult. I have equal contempt for your attitude as you apparently do for mine. I earned every “old and crochety“ thought that I have. You can only hope that someday you‘ll reach adulthood.
Or we can simply read the study, which confirms what he said, and makes you look like a fool.Just say you're scared of black people, it's not like you're fooling anyone.