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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tk.:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mogbert:<BR>Is there ANY chance that this may not come out for the PC? Has this developer ever made anything that didn't come out for the PC? </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>From this FAQ: <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"As we've said before, Mass Effect is planned as an Xbox 360 exclusive title. This means we are not working on a PC version and have no plans to start making one. It is possible that one could be made in teh future, but it would certainly be a wait of a number of years before we even start to make one, let alone actually release such a thing.<BR><BR>I'm not saying that waiting is 100% a bad idea. I never thought we would make a PC version of Jade Empire, but now we are. But if you want to wait multiple years just to find out that we are not making one, then it's up to you." </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>So I wouldn't hold my breath. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>They said something similar with Jade Empire. <BR><BR>I'll wait patiently for the PC version.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BigFrank:<BR>Here's what I want to know:<BR><BR>How many people will play as a girl just to see the interplanetary interspecies same-gender love scene? </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>For what it's worth, the female lead is voiced by Jennifer Hale. Who while we HAVE heard plenty of in the past 10 years, is also awesome.<BR><BR>So that is influencing my decision a bit. Otherwise I am still up in the air. Guess it depends on when I get my hands on the character creation menu. I mean on the other hand, a maxed chin slider Bruce Campbell type character could be loads of fun as well.
 

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Well. I went to gamestop today to try and find a Wii (hopeless I know) and was pleasently surprised to see Mass Effect out on the shelves. I more or less ran to the front desk to buy the thing and the guy got as far as ringing it up before his manager was like "DONT SELL THAT!!". Apparently the guy had been selling copies all day and for some reason thought that only the special edition had the 11/20 street date. <BR><BR>I guess I'm the lucky winner of the first person to not get sold Mass Effect today at that Gamestop. Oh well just six more days...
 

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<div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 10k:<br>Well. I went to gamestop today to try and find a Wii (hopeless I know) and was pleasently surprised to see Mass Effect out on the shelves. I more or less ran to the front desk to buy the thing and the guy got as far as ringing it up before his manager was like "DONT SELL THAT!!". Apparently the guy had been selling copies all day and for some reason thought that only the special edition had the 11/20 street date. <br><br>I guess I'm the lucky winner of the first person to not get sold Mass Effect today at that Gamestop. Oh well just six more days... </div>
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<div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 10k:<br>Well. I went to gamestop today to try and find a Wii (hopeless I know) and was pleasently surprised to see Mass Effect out on the shelves. I more or less ran to the front desk to buy the thing and the guy got as far as ringing it up before his manager was like "DONT SELL THAT!!". Apparently the guy had been selling copies all day and for some reason thought that only the special edition had the 11/20 street date. <br><br>I guess I'm the lucky winner of the first person to not get sold Mass Effect today at that Gamestop. Oh well just six more days... </div>
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<br><br>^ Pretty much. The second you get it in your hands from it being on the shelf, you have every right to buy it, I would have said look, it's not my fault you shelved this, either you sell it to me, or I'm leaving with it. <br><br>There's no way they could not sell you a product that was put on a shelf for sale that you have in your hands, no matter the date, or anything else, even if it was reserved for someone else. <br><br>Which is probably why most new releases are stored behind glass, behind the cash register, out of reach from the consumers.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by morello:<BR>^ Pretty much. The second you get it in your hands from it being on the shelf, you have every right to buy it, I would have said look, it's not my fault you shelved this, either you sell it to me, or I'm leaving with it. <BR><BR>There's no way they could not sell you a product that was put on a shelf for sale that you have in your hands, no matter the date, or anything else, even if it was reserved for someone else. <BR><BR>Which is probably why most new releases are stored behind glass, behind the cash register, out of reach from the consumers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>What? That's not how property works. The game belongs to the store until you and the store make a transaction. The store is free to sell or not sell items to whomever they wish, for any reason (except legally restricted reasons such as race, sex, etc).
 

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<div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">They said something similar with Jade Empire. <br><br>I'll wait patiently for the PC version. </div>
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Shrikebtr:<BR>For what it's worth, the female lead is voiced by Jennifer Hale. Who while we HAVE heard plenty of in the past 10 years, is also awesome.<BR> </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I did not know that, as if I needed another reason to drool over the game. <BR><BR>At least one person playing the review build has confirmed it's mostly still a bunch of small connected rooms ala KoTOR, which is disappointing. Which doesn't make it worthless, but I can't wait till Bioware employs an engine that breaks this mold and takes on more of a sandbox style like Oblivion, but with the Bioware quests, polish, and gameplay.
 
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<br>Dun-dun-DUUUNNNN!!!
 

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<br><br><br>I, too, wanted to wait for and wished for a PC version. Then I realized that buying a 360 for Mass Effect would allow me to play other games.<br>Before Mass Effect came out.<br>Once it goes in the 360, it will be there for a long time.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Which doesn't make it worthless, but I can't wait till Bioware employs an engine that breaks this mold and takes on more of a sandbox style like Oblivion, </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>If I want to play Oblivion, I have Oblivion. I happen to like Bioware's "Interactive Movie" style of RPG. It's perfect for their brand of cinematic, plot-driven storytelling. <BR><BR>I don't know why so many people want Bethesda to be "more like Bioware" and others want Bioware to be "more like Bethesda".
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If I want to play Oblivion, I have Oblivion. I happen to like Bioware's "Interactive Movie" style of RPG. It's perfect for their brand of cinematic, plot-driven storytelling. <BR><BR>I don't know why so many people want Bethesda to be "more like Bioware" and others want Bioware to be "more like Bethesda". </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Amen. There's so little variety left in RPGs, these days. Most of the great houses have been dismantled. I would prefer if the few that have found their voice and can turn a profit doing so would keep doing what makes them unique and not try to be each other.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Shrikebtr:<BR>For what it's worth, the female lead is voiced by Jennifer Hale. Who while we HAVE heard plenty of in the past 10 years, is also awesome.<BR> </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>I want you to know that was a low blow...<BR>Samus Aran's voice, customizable features, and alien sex. The only thing you could ask for more would be customizable costumes (which will be hacked into the PC version).<BR><BR>If I could be garenteed a Falcon, and the the Falcons were stable, then I think I'd jump on this.<BR><BR>As it stands I'll probably wait on both Mass Effect and the 360.
 

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The more I read about this, and the likelihood of an extremely delayed PC release, the greater the infection in my brain grows. I’ve begun to seriously consider buying a 360 just for this game, and then perhaps trying to sell it afterwards. I’d be all over buying a used 360 if I hadn’t read such horror stories regarding product failure and warranty transfer.<BR><BR>On one hand, buying a console for one game is crazy. On the other, I’m pretty sure I spent more money on the last graphics card I purchased so I could play Bioshock in all its splendor. Do 360s have any sort of resale value? Could I sell the thing locally with a cash-paid receipt?<BR><BR>/insert expletive laden rant<BR>My brain is melting!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by strawman:<BR>The more I read about this, and the likelihood of an extremely delayed PC release, the greater the infection in my brain grows. I’ve begun to seriously consider buying a 360 just for this game, and then perhaps trying to sell it afterwards. I’d be all over buying a used 360 if I hadn’t read such horror stories regarding product failure and warranty transfer.<BR><BR>On one hand, buying a console for one game is crazy. On the other, I’m pretty sure I spent more money on the last graphics card I purchased so I could play Bioshock in all its splendor. Do 360s have any sort of resale value? Could I sell the thing locally with a cash-paid receipt?<BR><BR>/insert expletive laden rant<BR>My brain is melting! </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Why not just buy a 360 and play more than just mass effect on it? There are PLENTY of 360 only games that wont see the light of day on the PC. Racing games, action games, multiplayer games. Theres more to the 360 than FPS (which are the genre that most PC gamers refuse to switch to 360 for). I think once you buy a 360 and finish mass effect you'll find more things to do on it.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Do 360s have any sort of resale value? </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>With my wife totally hooked on GH2/3, I've been contemplating getting a second 360. Based on eBay's prices, I'd say yes, 360s do have some resale value. It's basically impossible to find a 360 on eBay that goes for less than $250 shipped. And with the 360 Arcade going for $280 new.<BR><BR>But like Donlo says, why buy a 360 and then not bother playing Crackdown, Gears, Dead Rising, etc...
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But like Donlo says, why buy a 360 and then not bother playing Crackdown, Gears, Dead Rising, etc... </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>The video store is your friend. Or Gamefly. Rent games you might find interesting, and go with it. I rented Beautiful Katamari, 'beat' it, played it for a while longer to work on my scores, and said 'see-ya'. I like the Katamari games, but I didn't want to buy it. I got into Gears of War real late (renting, again), played it for a while, decided that by this time I knew a PC version was coming and stopped playing. I'm currently enjoying the hell out of GHIII, and since my surround sound is only hooked up to my TV, getting it for the 360 was an easy choice.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gsb445:<BR>If I want to play Oblivion, I have Oblivion. I happen to like Bioware's "Interactive Movie" style of RPG. It's perfect for their brand of cinematic, plot-driven storytelling. <BR><BR>I don't know why so many people want Bethesda to be "more like Bioware" and others want Bioware to be "more like Bethesda". </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I think you guys are concentrating to much on Oblivion's failures, which are legion. I don't like being carefully funneled from room to room, and I know you can tell a great a story with out that crutch. It's just makes it much easier to do so.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Shrikebtr:<BR><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BigFrank:<BR>Here's what I want to know:<BR><BR>How many people will play as a girl just to see the interplanetary interspecies same-gender love scene? </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>For what it's worth, the female lead is voiced by Jennifer Hale. Who while we HAVE heard plenty of in the past 10 years, is also awesome. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I had not heard that... awesome news. Every new piece of information about this game gets me more excited.<BR><BR>Now, BIOWARE/LUCASARTS, WHERE THE HELL IS KOTOR 3!!!???
 

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There is some part of me that feels embracing the inability to alter games (via mods, texture swapping etcetera) is akin to selling off little bits of my soul.<BR><BR>Now that I think about it, back in high school I bought a classmate’s soul. Dirt cheap, too. The only condition being that I couldn’t use it in rituals involving goat’s blood. I wonder if I could swap in his soul for mine. That way price of soul-parts could be paid, but mine would be intact.<BR><BR>What do I need to know about purchasing a 360? I’m sort of hoping there’s a repository of all things 360 from which versions I should be considering, to what merchants to avoid, as well as RRoD counseling, and the 65nm chips.<BR><BR>I see myself pissing away an inordinate amount of money in the coming months. Good thing I don’t have any other expensive hobbies like heavy drinking. Or hookers and blow.<BR><BR>I must be weak willed, it didn't take much. Well, calling Jennifer Hale "not much" really isn't fair and rather insulting.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by strawman:<BR>What do I need to know about purchasing a 360? I’m sort of hoping there’s a repository of all things 360 from which versions I should be considering, to what merchants to avoid, as well as RRoD counseling, and the 65nm chips.<BR> </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>That sounds like the topic for a whole new thread, but my personal take is this: the manufacturing flaw (bad solder) that led to a lot of the defects has long since been corrected, and there *is* a way to tell which ones have the newer chipset, it's marked on the box.<BR><BR>I bought an Elite from Costco; they have a decent return policy, and I am glad I have the extra hard drive space, as I've already used over 20 gig of it on demos, DLC, and Live Arcade games.<BR><BR>I was raised an Apple fanboy, but I <3 my 360 anyway. I initially got it for the impending Rock Band goodness, but there really are a lot of great games. <BR><BR>Less than a week to Mass Effect, hurry up, time!
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gsb445:<BR>If I want to play Oblivion, I have Oblivion. I happen to like Bioware's "Interactive Movie" style of RPG. It's perfect for their brand of cinematic, plot-driven storytelling. <BR><BR>I don't know why so many people want Bethesda to be "more like Bioware" and others want Bioware to be "more like Bethesda". </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Well Oblivion hit my "Explorer" wannabe side, the "Ooh Shiny" side, and "Ooh, armor dressup" side, but just let me down on the actually game. If somehow you could combine the best of an actual CRPG with the exploring and shinyness and diablo style item stats, that would be just be -amazing-. I don't see why it wouldn't be possible, except maybe the huge world, as that would necessarily take too much time away from building focuses areas with a -purpose- instead of 200 procedurally generated areas/dungeons that you could never tell apart.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...instead of 200 procedurally generated areas/dungeons that you could never tell apart. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It might be worth noting that, in fact, none of the dungeons or spaces in Oblivion were procedurally generated. Just the trees were. And those weren't generated on the fly, they were pre-generated and dropped onto the disc just like all the other assets.<BR><BR>And, really, most of the actual dungeons were fairly distinct in layout/play, they were just identical in texturing and lighting. In one sense, if you've seen one Ayleid Ruin, you've seen them all; they all share the same materials and light sources. In another, though, each dungeon was hand-crafted as an individual experience.<BR><BR>What <I>were</I> all identical (and obnoxiously so) were the non-dungeon interior spaces. It was fairly silly for all the houses in a given town to have exactly the same interior layout. That got real old, real fast.<BR><BR>The other offender was the Oblivion gates, since the only differences between those were how you got to the tower itself. Each tower, though, was intenrally identical to all the other ones. Those just got to be a chore you blitzed through as fast as possible to collect the orb. No argument from me on this one - I wish these had been procedurally generated, because they would probably have used different seeds to do so, and then they wouldn't all have been the same damn dungeon.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I think you guys are concentrating to much on Oblivion's failures, which are legion. I don't like being carefully funneled from room to room, and I know you can tell a great a story with out that crutch. It's just makes it much easier to do so. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>THis is a really bizarre complaint to level at Mass Effect given the reporting of a massive universe and a great deal of freedom in how one explores that universe.
 

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<br><br>THis is a really bizarre complaint to level at Mass Effect given the reporting of a massive universe and a great deal of freedom in how one explores that universe. </div>
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The more I read about this, and the likelihood of an extremely delayed PC release, the greater the infection in my brain grows. </div></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR>Years ago, I sold my N64 to buy a second Voodoo 2 and experience SLI. I laughed at all those greasy couch potato consolers playing moronized games while I slid through cool titles like Freespace 2 on my elite setup. I never looked back at consoles since, even when the 360 first came out and my little brother tooled away on it with Halo.<BR><BR>Fast forward to today, and I'm agonizing over whether to get another video card for SLI in Crysis or buy a used 360 for all the great games on it and hook it up to my 2407.<BR><BR>If it wasn't for the 360s horrid failure rate I'd have in fact picked one up used; I passed up the opportunity to get a used premium and one game for a mere $200 shipped off [H] forums just a couple weeks ago.<BR><BR>My decision will really hinge on whether Mass Effect is Holy God Awesome or Flawed But Interesting.
 

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<br><br> Too slow. -- View image here: http://episteme.meincmagazine.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif --<br><br>At least you provided a link, though!
 
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