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That's pretty impressive. The originating site: http://oscilloscopemusic.com[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32364569#p32364569:2kufv9qg said:Peevester[/url]":2kufv9qg]Which is currently going nuts on youtube - search for Jerobeam Fenderson.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352195#p32352195:2kufv9qg said:Wardatrigger[/url]":2kufv9qg]And in a couple more months, Ars will cover music for oscilloscopes.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32355083#p32355083:131citw6 said:Hat Monster[/url]":131citw6][url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352237#p32352237:131citw6 said:cbreak[/url]":131citw6][url=https://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352229#p32352229:131citw6 said:Jim Salter[/url]":131citw6][url=https://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352215#p32352215:131citw6 said:cbreak[/url]":131citw6]The article doesn't actually describe the format, unfortunately, but there certainly is a way in which the data is encoded.
No, there isn't. It's direct amplitude modulation. There's no encoding whatsoever.
An example of encoding would be the old "eight, none, and one" of telephone modem days - referring to eight signal bits, no parity bit, one stop bit. There's absolutely none of that in wire, tape, phonograph, or AM radio - you literally just translate the amplitude modulation of the medium directly into movement of a speaker driver, and presto, you get sound.
It's arguable whether you could constitute FM radio as "encoded" or not - the amplitude modulation of the recorded sound is translated into frequency modulation of a carrier signal, but there's still no encoding to interpret around it, it's just the direct waveform of the original sound on an underlying medium.
Amplitude modulation IS an encoding. Not every encoding is digital.
AM isn't an encoding, it's a modulation. You can have both, but you must have the modulation (modulation is how a different medium is changed to accept the signal: If you do no more than that, you haven't encoded anything). An encoding, as the name suggests, translates the signal into another form where it's a symbolic representation of the original. FM and AM are both not encodings, they're direct transfers into another medium. The offset of the signal controls the power of the AM signal, or the offset of the FM signal, directly.
A very simple encoding would be something like PWM, where the length of the pulse represents the power of the signal. You'd think that's a digital form, but it's still analog: The length of the pulses is your analog component. This can be demodulated by nothing more complex than a speaker cone's inertia, so represents a form of encoding and modulation where the act of demodulation is also the act of decoding.
Another common, and simple, encoding is the digitisation and capture of the signal into a digital form, such as LPCM. LPCM is just a long list of numbers, so it's a valid encoding. Being a storage, rather than transmission, format, it has no modulation.
A more complex encoding is a QAM constellation, where each state of the modulation can be one of 4, 16, 64, 256 or even more states, encoding bits into each individual state (it's similar to a look-up table, and uses one).
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32364775#p32364775:2vdjmc11 said:Peevester[/url]":2vdjmc11][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32364733#p32364733:2vdjmc11 said:Umbaglo[/url]":2vdjmc11]Is this format what was being referred to by all my old tape players that had a switch for various tape formats that included "Metal" as one of them? I don't remember ever seeing any alternate tape format at the time, but I remember thinking "Metal" was certainly a strange one specifically.
No, metal is Chromium Oxide tapes, nothing to do with wire recording. A wire recording looks like a big spool of shiny thread, and is not in a cassette.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32364593#p32364593:22mazxlh said:flashback_rtk[/url]":22mazxlh]Was there any law preventing it at the time? You make it sound as if it was the first observation of a natural phenomenon in a laboratory.a home-recording medium that people could, and did, use to record their own voices, as well as their own music and songs off the radio—thus giving the world its first example of illegal home recording.
And that's why I ask, insisting on it makes me think you're just trying to educate your readers on your opinion on recording songs from the radio.The less complicated tape decks were also getting cheaper and soon became the recorder of choice for universities, schools, independent studios, and, eventually, home recordists who fancied stealing sounds from the radio.
It was a very interesting article by the way.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32364815#p32364815:1wsbi29g said:Antron Argaiv[/url]":1wsbi29g][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32355083#p32355083:1wsbi29g said:Hat Monster[/url]":1wsbi29g][url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352237#p32352237:1wsbi29g said:cbreak[/url]":1wsbi29g][url=https://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352229#p32352229:1wsbi29g said:Jim Salter[/url]":1wsbi29g][url=https://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352215#p32352215:1wsbi29g said:cbreak[/url]":1wsbi29g]The article doesn't actually describe the format, unfortunately, but there certainly is a way in which the data is encoded.
No, there isn't. It's direct amplitude modulation. There's no encoding whatsoever.
An example of encoding would be the old "eight, none, and one" of telephone modem days - referring to eight signal bits, no parity bit, one stop bit. There's absolutely none of that in wire, tape, phonograph, or AM radio - you literally just translate the amplitude modulation of the medium directly into movement of a speaker driver, and presto, you get sound.
It's arguable whether you could constitute FM radio as "encoded" or not - the amplitude modulation of the recorded sound is translated into frequency modulation of a carrier signal, but there's still no encoding to interpret around it, it's just the direct waveform of the original sound on an underlying medium.
Amplitude modulation IS an encoding. Not every encoding is digital.
AM isn't an encoding, it's a modulation. You can have both, but you must have the modulation (modulation is how a different medium is changed to accept the signal: If you do no more than that, you haven't encoded anything). An encoding, as the name suggests, translates the signal into another form where it's a symbolic representation of the original. FM and AM are both not encodings, they're direct transfers into another medium. The offset of the signal controls the power of the AM signal, or the offset of the FM signal, directly.
A very simple encoding would be something like PWM, where the length of the pulse represents the power of the signal. You'd think that's a digital form, but it's still analog: The length of the pulses is your analog component. This can be demodulated by nothing more complex than a speaker cone's inertia, so represents a form of encoding and modulation where the act of demodulation is also the act of decoding.
Another common, and simple, encoding is the digitisation and capture of the signal into a digital form, such as LPCM. LPCM is just a long list of numbers, so it's a valid encoding. Being a storage, rather than transmission, format, it has no modulation.
A more complex encoding is a QAM constellation, where each state of the modulation can be one of 4, 16, 64, 256 or even more states, encoding bits into each individual state (it's similar to a look-up table, and uses one).
LPCM = Linear Pulse Code Modulation...LPC is the encoding, PCM is the modulation. Compare with ADPCM=Adaptive Differential Pulse Code Modulation (ADPC encodes the difference and a scaling factor, between successive samples). LPCM is also Logarithmic Pulse Code Modulation, as used in telephone networks - the difference between code values varies logarithmically, putting more code values close to zero, where zero crossings contain much of the speech data, and fewer codes at higher levels, where fidelity is not so crucial to understanding the speech.
QAM is really a modulation scheme for digital data -- the underlying data can be anything capable of being encoded digitally -- audio, image, or random data.
QAM doesn't imply anything about being digital — it's amplitude modulation plus a second channel of amplitude modulation, stored in quadrature (i.e. at a phase offset of 90 degrees) from the original. So it's just two channels of AM information composited into one signal.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32364815#p32364815:3o8u8aad said:Antron Argaiv[/url]":3o8u8aad]QAM is really a modulation scheme for digital data -- the underlying data can be anything capable of being encoded digitally -- audio, image, or random data.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32365027#p32365027:2h60nu3f said:Mungus the Unhyphenated[/url]":2h60nu3f][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32364593#p32364593:2h60nu3f said:flashback_rtk[/url]":2h60nu3f]Was there any law preventing it at the time? You make it sound as if it was the first observation of a natural phenomenon in a laboratory.a home-recording medium that people could, and did, use to record their own voices, as well as their own music and songs off the radio—thus giving the world its first example of illegal home recording.
And that's why I ask, insisting on it makes me think you're just trying to educate your readers on your opinion on recording songs from the radio.The less complicated tape decks were also getting cheaper and soon became the recorder of choice for universities, schools, independent studios, and, eventually, home recordists who fancied stealing sounds from the radio.
It was a very interesting article by the way.
I'm suspecting (hoping?) the /s was implied.
This podcast page has links to both uncorrected and corrected audio for a 15 second clip of the concert. It's just of Guthrie talking, not singing, but the difference is astounding:[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32364569#p32364569:1tj62ijq said:Peevester[/url]":1tj62ijq]I'm listening to one of the Guthrie songs in the background, and it's giving me chills hearing a 60 year old recording that sounds that good. Does anyone have a link to the uncorrected audio?
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32351491#p32351491:30x6lq8l said:bongbong[/url]":30x6lq8l]is it really accurate to call wire recording or tape or vinyl, an audio format?
Im not trying to sound smart alecky or be a nitpicker.
but is this the proper form so i can use it without error since the audio formats i know are flac, wav ,mp3 etc which I KNOW are file fomats.
wont audio device be a better term?
BTW their recovery methods are brilliant and awe inspiring
It's complicated, since the copyrights for music recording are currently handle by state law for recordings up through 1972. However, since music recordings are derivative works of the original musical compositions, they woud've been covered by copyright of the compositions, and so home recordings of the radio would've at least been violating that copyright. Radio in the US, for example, pays music publishers licensing fees, but doesn't pay for licensing of the actual recording.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32365323#p32365323:3sgjgn6t said:flashback_rtk[/url]":3sgjgn6t]There was nothing sarcastic in my post, the question is legit (and still unanswered), was there actually any law preventing the recording of a radio broadcast (music pieces particulary) on wire by that time? Usually, when some new technology appears some time passes until laws regarding its impact on industrial collectives and people get created.
Except for in the case of terrestrial, analog radio, a separate license must be obtained from the BOTH the copyright owner of the “musical work” AND the “sound recording” as described above, before a particular sound recording of a musical work can be used.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32365139#p32365139:2k243g2r said:Thomas Harte[/url]":2k243g2r]QAM doesn't imply anything about being digital — it's amplitude modulation plus a second channel of amplitude modulation, stored in quadrature (i.e. at a phase offset of 90 degrees) from the original. So it's just two channels of AM information composited into one signal.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32364815#p32364815:2k243g2r said:Antron Argaiv[/url]":2k243g2r]QAM is really a modulation scheme for digital data -- the underlying data can be anything capable of being encoded digitally -- audio, image, or random data.
The colour part of NTSC and PAL television is QAM encoded. It's definitely not digital.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32365139#p32365139:1eurtkqc said:Thomas Harte[/url]":1eurtkqc]QAM doesn't imply anything about being digital — it's amplitude modulation plus a second channel of amplitude modulation, stored in quadrature (i.e. at a phase offset of 90 degrees) from the original. So it's just two channels of AM information composited into one signal.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32364815#p32364815:1eurtkqc said:Antron Argaiv[/url]":1eurtkqc]QAM is really a modulation scheme for digital data -- the underlying data can be anything capable of being encoded digitally -- audio, image, or random data.
The colour part of NTSC and PAL television is QAM encoded. It's definitely not digital.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32351501#p32351501:deb8kl93 said:charltjr[/url]":deb8kl93]Love this sort of "lost tech" piece, more please.......
Techmoan did a really interesting video on a wire recorder (well, I thought it was interesting)
https://youtu.be/90ihiTwJPCc
I see what you did there.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32365699#p32365699:mp4u9t37 said:b.goody[/url]":mp4u9t37]Sorry, this has been bugging me for a couple of days.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32365183#p32365183:2dq85ffa said:Hopefully Smarter[/url]":2dq85ffa]According to the Firesign Theatre, the Aztecs invented the wire recorder.
citation: Everything You Know Is Wrong (1974)
Before Dolby Pro Logic, there was Columbia SQ quadraphonic. It didn't do a really great job, but also didn't require a special cartridge with response to 50 kHz to play back - ordinary equipment would work. It was essentially a matrix system.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32354711#p32354711:qre5zwxd said:Jim Salter[/url]":qre5zwxd][url=https://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352237#p32352237:qre5zwxd said:cbreak[/url]":qre5zwxd]Amplitude modulation IS an encoding. Not every encoding is digital.
No, it really isn't - amplitude modulation is exactly what it says on the tin - modulation. The only way to label what goes on in wire, phonograph, or standard two-channel cassette "encoding" is if you want to get super pedantic and call it "direct" encoding - the equivalent of multiplying a number by one.
Encoding is something above and beyond the original data, which needs to be interpreted or decoded rather than being just blindly played back as part of the main data stream. And no, that doesn't need to be digital - an analog example is the old Dolby Pro Logic encoding that hid an extra couple of channels inside a two-channel recording medium.
Edit: I forgot about recording bias to tape, as pointed out above. Bias would qualify as extremely simple encoding.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32365663#p32365663:23l9pxzh said:unequivocal[/url]":23l9pxzh]I believe modern commercial airplanes use this technology in their black boxes. I think the stainless steel wires are on a continuous loop, so that the black box records some number of hours of data on the wire and the records over the old data.
The advantage is that even if the black box itself is ruptured, the data on the wire wire, even if the wire is severed, will still be recoverable and playable, unless it's been heated over the curie temperature for stainless steel.
Yep Obama and Hillary are out, and next one will be Trump.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32351887#p32351887:3sg601s3 said:jerminator[/url]":3sg601s3]Very interesting read on a technology that I've seen in old movies, and didn't think it was quite this ubiquitous. Good stuff. I liked the Guthrie guitar sticker "This machine kills fascists." We'll be seeing more of that sentiment soon again looking at where we're all headed.
Those guys were stealthy, but also strong:[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32367851#p32367851:34zuvpok said:stormcrash[/url]":34zuvpok]...the Ghost Army...
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352223#p32352223:3ehje8ks said:Jim Salter[/url]":3ehje8ks][url=https://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32351551#p32351551:3ehje8ks said:fragile[/url]":3ehje8ks]Coming from an era where everything was analogue, be it reel-to-reel tape, cassette tape, records etc, then this is definitely a format.
Digging back in memory, I think what audio engineers used to call "format" in the analog days wasn't ever really a tightly-defined term. It generally encompassed physical medium, encoding, and modulation in one all-encompassing if somewhat vague term - because you never really had much call to separate the layers back then; they all went together.
For that matter, the "encoding" was usually "none whatsoever" when it came right down to it. Wire or tape are both direct modulation of a magnetic medium with no encoding. Phonograph is direct modulation of a physical medium with no encoding.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32365497#p32365497:2ylhkr6r said:marsilies[/url]":2ylhkr6r]It's complicated, since the copyrights for music recording are currently handle by state law for recordings up through 1972. However, since music recordings are derivative works of the original musical compositions, they woud've been covered by copyright of the compositions, and so home recordings of the radio would've at least been violating that copyright. Radio in the US, for example, pays music publishers licensing fees, but doesn't pay for licensing of the actual recording.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32365323#p32365323:2ylhkr6r said:flashback_rtk[/url]":2ylhkr6r]There was nothing sarcastic in my post, the question is legit (and still unanswered), was there actually any law preventing the recording of a radio broadcast (music pieces particulary) on wire by that time? Usually, when some new technology appears some time passes until laws regarding its impact on industrial collectives and people get created.
http://www.digmedia.org/issues-and-poli ... t-in-music
Except for in the case of terrestrial, analog radio, a separate license must be obtained from the BOTH the copyright owner of the “musical work” AND the “sound recording” as described above, before a particular sound recording of a musical work can be used.
More info:
https://library.osu.edu/blogs/copyright/2013/05/15/198/
http://www.recordingcopyright.org/pdf/AMuscop_fnl.pdf
[url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32364449#p32364449:31n0bej5 said:Danathar[/url]":31n0bej5]I wonder, was there ever an attempt to do digital recording onto a wire? Something incredibly long lasting might be useful somehow.
I'd imagine the bitrate would be pathetically low by today's standards, but with enough wire you could record something digitally and archive it for a VERY long time.
A year after Woody’s live gig, the US National Bureau of Standards (now the National Institute of Standards and Technology) built the world’s third-ever stored-program computer (or the fourth, depending on who you believe), and this SEAC device actually used wire recorders to store digital data.