From espionage to home recording, the colourful life of the longest-used audio medium.
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[url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32351491#p32351491:1d4cfzd3 said:bongbong[/url]":1d4cfzd3]is it really accurate to call wire recording or tape or vinyl, an audio format?
Im not trying to sound smart alecky or be a nitpicker.
but is this the proper form so i can use it without error since the audio formats i know are flac, wav ,mp3 etc which I KNOW are file fomats.
wont audio device be a better term?
BTW their recovery methods are brilliant and awe inspiring
[url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32351491#p32351491:3m3ugcn2 said:bongbong[/url]":3m3ugcn2]is it really accurate to call wire recording or tape or vinyl, an audio format?
Im not trying to sound smart alecky or be a nitpicker.
but is this the proper form so i can use it without error since the audio formats i know are flac, wav ,mp3 etc which I KNOW are file fomats.
wont audio device be a better term?
[url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32351501#p32351501:25gwpc2q said:charltjr[/url]":25gwpc2q]Love this sort of "lost tech" piece, more please.......
Techmoan did a really interesting video on a wire recorder (well, I thought it was interesting)
https://youtu.be/90ihiTwJPCc
[url=https://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32351491#p32351491:26pc9tyw said:bongbong[/url]":26pc9tyw]is it really accurate to call wire recording or tape or vinyl, an audio format?
Im not trying to sound smart alecky or be a nitpicker.
but is this the proper form so i can use it without error since the audio formats i know are flac, wav ,mp3 etc which I KNOW are file fomats.
wont audio device be a better term?
BTW their recovery methods are brilliant and awe inspiring
[url=https://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32351551#p32351551:3pjvfv7y said:fragile[/url]":3pjvfv7y]Coming from an era where everything was analogue, be it reel-to-reel tape, cassette tape, records etc, then this is definitely a format.
[url=https://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352215#p32352215:14hmupog said:cbreak[/url]":14hmupog]The article doesn't actually describe the format, unfortunately, but there certainly is a way in which the data is encoded.
[url=https://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352229#p32352229:35axktf4 said:Jim Salter[/url]":35axktf4][url=https://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352215#p32352215:35axktf4 said:cbreak[/url]":35axktf4]The article doesn't actually describe the format, unfortunately, but there certainly is a way in which the data is encoded.
No, there isn't. It's direct amplitude modulation. There's no encoding whatsoever.
An example of encoding would be the old "eight, none, and one" of telephone modem days - referring to eight signal bits, no parity bit, one stop bit. There's absolutely none of that in wire, tape, phonograph, or AM radio - you literally just translate the amplitude modulation of the medium directly into movement of a speaker driver, and presto, you get sound.
It's arguable whether you could constitute FM radio as "encoded" or not - the amplitude modulation of the recorded sound is translated into frequency modulation of a carrier signal, but there's still no encoding to interpret around it, it's just the direct waveform of the original sound on an underlying medium.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352287#p32352287:1ea0ss0k said:cbreak[/url]":1ea0ss0k]I would have expected "Wire Tap" to come from tapping the wires of a phone / telegraph / whatever.
Yes, it is accurate![url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32351491#p32351491:3385tf50 said:bongbong[/url]":3385tf50]is it really accurate to call wire recording or tape or vinyl, an audio format?
Im not trying to sound smart alecky or be a nitpicker.
but is this the proper form so i can use it without error since the audio formats i know are flac, wav ,mp3 etc which I KNOW are file fomats.
wont audio device be a better term?
BTW their recovery methods are brilliant and awe inspiring
[url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352223#p32352223:3r1bzikb said:Jim Salter[/url]":3r1bzikb][url=https://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32351551#p32351551:3r1bzikb said:fragile[/url]":3r1bzikb]Coming from an era where everything was analogue, be it reel-to-reel tape, cassette tape, records etc, then this is definitely a format.
Digging back in memory, I think what audio engineers used to call "format" in the analog days wasn't ever really a tightly-defined term. It generally encompassed physical medium, encoding, and modulation in one all-encompassing if somewhat vague term - because you never really had much call to separate the layers back then; they all went together.
For that matter, the "encoding" was usually "none whatsoever" when it came right down to it. Wire or tape are both direct modulation of a magnetic medium with no encoding. Phonograph is direct modulation of a physical medium with no encoding.
[url=https://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352237#p32352237:3hfinrv0 said:cbreak[/url]":3hfinrv0]Amplitude modulation IS an encoding. Not every encoding is digital.
[url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352237#p32352237:29gtuevb said:cbreak[/url]":29gtuevb][url=https://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352229#p32352229:29gtuevb said:Jim Salter[/url]":29gtuevb][url=https://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352215#p32352215:29gtuevb said:cbreak[/url]":29gtuevb]The article doesn't actually describe the format, unfortunately, but there certainly is a way in which the data is encoded.
No, there isn't. It's direct amplitude modulation. There's no encoding whatsoever.
An example of encoding would be the old "eight, none, and one" of telephone modem days - referring to eight signal bits, no parity bit, one stop bit. There's absolutely none of that in wire, tape, phonograph, or AM radio - you literally just translate the amplitude modulation of the medium directly into movement of a speaker driver, and presto, you get sound.
It's arguable whether you could constitute FM radio as "encoded" or not - the amplitude modulation of the recorded sound is translated into frequency modulation of a carrier signal, but there's still no encoding to interpret around it, it's just the direct waveform of the original sound on an underlying medium.
Amplitude modulation IS an encoding. Not every encoding is digital.
[url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352237#p32352237:1aebafrc said:cbreak[/url]":1aebafrc][url=https://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352229#p32352229:1aebafrc said:Jim Salter[/url]":1aebafrc][url=https://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352215#p32352215:1aebafrc said:cbreak[/url]":1aebafrc]The article doesn't actually describe the format, unfortunately, but there certainly is a way in which the data is encoded.
No, there isn't. It's direct amplitude modulation. There's no encoding whatsoever.
An example of encoding would be the old "eight, none, and one" of telephone modem days - referring to eight signal bits, no parity bit, one stop bit. There's absolutely none of that in wire, tape, phonograph, or AM radio - you literally just translate the amplitude modulation of the medium directly into movement of a speaker driver, and presto, you get sound.
It's arguable whether you could constitute FM radio as "encoded" or not - the amplitude modulation of the recorded sound is translated into frequency modulation of a carrier signal, but there's still no encoding to interpret around it, it's just the direct waveform of the original sound on an underlying medium.
Amplitude modulation IS an encoding. Not every encoding is digital.
Well directly storing as a magnetic signal is an encoding. Plus there is the speed, which is an important part of analogue formats like this, and mentioned in the article, in fact as a form of encoded messages[url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352229#p32352229:6xo1rl8n said:Jim Salter[/url]":6xo1rl8n][url=https://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352215#p32352215:6xo1rl8n said:cbreak[/url]":6xo1rl8n]The article doesn't actually describe the format, unfortunately, but there certainly is a way in which the data is encoded.
No, there isn't. It's direct amplitude modulation. There's no encoding whatsoever.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32364449#p32364449:qlkab2gb said:Danathar[/url]":qlkab2gb]I wonder, was there ever an attempt to do digital recording onto a wire? Something incredibly long lasting might be useful somehow.
I'd imagine the bitrate would be pathetically low by today's standards, but with enough wire you could record something digitally and archive it for a VERY long time.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32352195#p32352195:1y4y944x said:Wardatrigger[/url]":1y4y944x][url=http://arstechnica.co.uk/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32351501#p32351501:1y4y944x said:charltjr[/url]":1y4y944x]Love this sort of "lost tech" piece, more please.......
Techmoan did a really interesting video on a wire recorder (well, I thought it was interesting)
https://youtu.be/90ihiTwJPCc
And in a couple more months, Ars will cover music for oscilloscopes.
Was there any law preventing it at the time? You make it sound as if it was the first observation of a natural phenomenon in a laboratory.a home-recording medium that people could, and did, use to record their own voices, as well as their own music and songs off the radio—thus giving the world its first example of illegal home recording.
And that's why I ask, insisting on it makes me think you're just trying to educate your readers on your opinion on recording songs from the radio.The less complicated tape decks were also getting cheaper and soon became the recorder of choice for universities, schools, independent studios, and, eventually, home recordists who fancied stealing sounds from the radio.
... still waiting for the inevitable response...[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32364373#p32364373:2bfdqtp0 said:Nate the great[/url]":2bfdqtp0]Speaking of audio formats, whatever happened to the updog format?
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32351887#p32351887:14rmyxi3 said:jerminator[/url]":14rmyxi3]Very interesting read on a technology that I've seen in old movies, and didn't think it was quite this ubiquitous. Good stuff. I liked the Guthrie guitar sticker "This machine kills fascists." We'll be seeing more of that sentiment soon again looking at where we're all headed.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=32364733#p32364733:i72cw7qu said:Umbaglo[/url]":i72cw7qu]Is this format what was being referred to by all my old tape players that had a switch for various tape formats that included "Metal" as one of them? I don't remember ever seeing any alternate tape format at the time, but I remember thinking "Metal" was certainly a strange one specifically.