Ford Mustang Mach-E review: The people’s pony goes electric

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I do not understand car companies desire to make vehicles less safe by the inclusions of a giant touch screen that controls nearly everything in the car. And of course the waste of power to drive such a large display. It is almost bland enough on the inside that you could call it a Tesla. I'm all for the future of electric vehicles, but you don't have to make them less safe and boring at the same time.

If you're using your car's center console controls under such inappropriate circumstances that the only thing that's preventing you from having an accident is that the controls are physical instead of virtual, I think it's time for you to reevaluate your driving habits.
 
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It's okay not to like certain new tech. It doesn't make you a luddite or mean you're "just here to hate on new tech". I like tactile buttons. I want an instrument cluster infront of me. If the best vehicle for my needs was only available with a 17" smartphone glued to the center console, I guess I'd eat the crap sandwich and get used to it, but I think we all need to be careful about changing the driving experience too radically too quickly because of the inherent danger.

I can point you to a discussion on this site, going on at this very minute, where readers are saying they don't want any microchips in their cars.

That one is understandable. They might cause interference with the microchip inside you (from the COVID-19 vaccines) and then THEY wouldn't be able to track you and that would be REALLY BAD.
 
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Know why the iPhone keeps driving thinner, thinner, thinner trends while the actual users continually complain about battery life? Because buyers prioritize sexy over function.
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Do iPhone users "continually" complain about battery life, though? I know dozens of people who have iPhones, and in my experience, complaints about battery life are rare.

A few people I know don't bother to charge their iPhones until they only have a few percent battery power left, so they are frequently running out of power, but that would still happen to them even if the battery was 10 times the size.
 
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Not everyone is on board with the Mach-E being called a Mustang. Car people in particular are unhappy that the long and storied name has been attached to a five-door crossover, not a two-door coupe.

Are there going to be any small, affordable, sporty 2-door electric coupes anytime soon?

I'd be interested in something like a Miata, or a Toyota 86, or a Porsche Cayman (although it's obviously less affordable).
 
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It's okay not to like certain new tech. It doesn't make you a luddite or mean you're "just here to hate on new tech". I like tactile buttons. I want an instrument cluster infront of me. If the best vehicle for my needs was only available with a 17" smartphone glued to the center console, I guess I'd eat the crap sandwich and get used to it, but I think we all need to be careful about changing the driving experience too radically too quickly because of the inherent danger.

I can point you to a discussion on this site, going on at this very minute, where readers are saying they don't want any microchips in their cars.

No doubt, but that's a very small percentage of people from what I've seen on various car-centric platforms. The idea that people who are anti-touchscreen or anti-yoke or whatever need to get with the times is more along the lines of what I was referring to. We all have our fuzzy lines of discomfort with the new and different and unless someone is clearly being disingenuous, I don't see voicing that discomfort as a bad thing.

Then again I don't have to interact with internet comments for a living, so that may be a luxury not everyone has.
 
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plenty of Mustangs have been unexciting cars

I once visited the factory when these damned things wore the Mustang badge:

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A pretty low period for all.

My first car was a used '84 Mustang. The nicest thing I can say about that car was that it tried hard to function properly. It was even nice enough to wait until I pulled into the mechanic's parking lot before having the entire back end drop out. :( This was with less than 50K miles on it, BTW. Bad times indeed.
I ended up trading it in for a '92 Escort and was far happier with that car. And honestly, I didn't notice a lot of power difference when I switched over, which should tell you a lot.
 
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Funny thing about the Vega is that GM already knew (as a corporation) how to build a good small car of the time. They had Opel.
I know someone who drove one (can't remember the model). It had decent performance and he drove it like he stole it.

I was always fond of the Opel Gt, which was kinda-sorta a poor man's Ferrari or C3 Vette. With no rear access to the storage (everything had to be loaded between the seats) they weren't very practical, however, and their performance did not match their looks.


Also, learned to drive in a '63 VW in SF - constant maintenance need, perhaps replacing anything that could (or did) break so often that an actual rebuild might never have been needed.
You might have had a lemon. I've owned VWs from '56 to '70 models and they were certainly as reliable as any American hulk. Nothing like today's cars overall, but relatively easy to repair as required.

Getting back to the article's main topic, my father had a '67 red convertible V-8 Mustang, undoubtedly for his own mid-life requirements (although he also raced MGs). It was before my driving days but I spent many hours in the back seat bouncing along for the thrills (no seatbelts, of course). And to echo many other comments in this thread the new electric 'Mustang' has no lineage whatsoever to that car. The fact that Ford couldn't come up with a new model name points to a thorough lack of imagination, or marketing cynicism, or both.

(I'm not knocking the Mach-E itself as a vehicle - just the name-grab.)
 
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I often see it opined on the internet that we need Real Car Builders that Know How to Build Cars to come in and fix all of Tesla's mistakes.

Maybe they'll get there, but I see nothing in this car that would entice me away from buying another Tesla when the time comes. Poor efficiency, poor range, poor DCFC, worse driving dynamics.

Then again, if Tesla is truly committed to the yoke wheel, no-stalk lifestyle...ugh.

I'm willing to give the yoke wheel the benefit of the doubt. I'm mostly a one hand turning type of guy anyway, so the yoke steering wheel makes no difference to me handling wise. The only time I put my hand on the top of the steering wheel or at the bottom is when I'm cruising, in which case I have autopilot on. But autopilot is designed such that, annoyingly, it won't register your hand in those positions because it does not register any torque on the steering wheel. So I'm stuck with putting my hand somewhere at the 3 and 9 position anyways.

How do you back up into a parking space or do a 3-point turn or a u-turn with one hand?
U-turn, I agree, unless the total turning range fits into 1/2 turn lock to lock; requires a hugely variable-ratio steering setup to make that work in a car that needs to deal with real roads. Parking space is a little grayer: if you turn around and look out the back window like DMV requires in a driving test, you almost naturally will revert to one hand - a problem in certain old cars I have driven where there was no power steering and you NEEDED 2 hands to steer at low speeds. But then cars that can park themselves have been around for longer than Tesla...
 
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Not everyone is on board with the Mach-E being called a Mustang. Car people in particular are unhappy that the long and storied name has been attached to a five-door crossover, not a two-door coupe.

Are there going to be any small, affordable, sporty 2-door electric coupes anytime soon?

I'd be interested in something like a Miata, or a Toyota 86, or a Porsche Cayman (although it's obviously less affordable).

Nope, and as long as batteries remain heavy and expensive there won't be.
 
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It's okay not to like certain new tech. It doesn't make you a luddite or mean you're "just here to hate on new tech". I like tactile buttons. I want an instrument cluster infront of me. If the best vehicle for my needs was only available with a 17" smartphone glued to the center console, I guess I'd eat the crap sandwich and get used to it, but I think we all need to be careful about changing the driving experience too radically too quickly because of the inherent danger.

I can point you to a discussion on this site, going on at this very minute, where readers are saying they don't want any microchips in their cars.

No doubt, but that's a very small percentage of people from what I've seen on various car-centric platforms.

But we're not talking about other sites, we're talking about Arsians.
 
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fast charging once a week probably won't be cheap (or healthy for the battery's longevity).

I'm curious about the battery health statement. I've seen it mentioned before, but I've also read a lot of conflicting information about it. Many also say that as long as you're not going below 10% and then charging above 80% on the DC fast charging it should have a negligible effect.

Well, if you are a typical EV charging around 50-70kw, it won't be that big of a deal.

Tesla charging at 250kw? Well, they seem to think they can get away with it. However, Bjorn noticed that the newer Tesla's with LG batteries didn't go over 200kw for charging, even when it was preheated. Could have been cold, or something else. That still is pretty damn fast. If I can get 150 reliably and at longer times that's all that I need.

After x amount of super charging time Tesla's will no longer charger over a certain rate. It will take a long time to reach in normal operation though with the 3 and later vehicles.
 
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Nope, and as long as batteries remain heavy and expensive there won't be.
The cost of batteries is certainly moving in the right direction - too slow for our liking but still better than the alternative.

What are the prospects of battery weight (well, energy density) improving for vehicles these days? I don't know what the trend line has been. Flat-ish? Slow drop? Faster?
 
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Nope, and as long as batteries remain heavy and expensive there won't be.

What if a Tesla Model 3 were scaled down to be Cayman-sized?

It would weigh less just by way of being smaller. Then the battery capacity could presumably be reduced because the car weighs less. And a smaller battery weighs less and costs less.

Seriously, if Tesla scaled the Model 3 down to be Cayman-sized, what kind of weight and price would people be looking at?
 
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Nope, and as long as batteries remain heavy and expensive there won't be.

What if a Tesla Model 3 were scaled down to be Cayman-sized?

It would weigh less just by way of being smaller. Then the battery capacity could presumably be reduced because the car weighs less. And a smaller battery weighs less and costs less.

Seriously, if Tesla scaled the Model 3 down to be Cayman-sized, what kind of weight and price would people be looking at?

You'd probably have to halve the pack size, which means carrying about 40kWh.
 
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Nope, and as long as batteries remain heavy and expensive there won't be.

What if a Tesla Model 3 were scaled down to be Cayman-sized?

It would weigh less just by way of being smaller. Then the battery capacity could presumably be reduced because the car weighs less. And a smaller battery weighs less and costs less.

Seriously, if Tesla scaled the Model 3 down to be Cayman-sized, what kind of weight and price would people be looking at?

You'd probably have to halve the pack size, which means carrying about 40kWh.

If it’s built into the car as the upcoming 4680 and structural then you may get slightly higher capacity

I guess these will debut this year
 
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I often see it opined on the internet that we need Real Car Builders that Know How to Build Cars to come in and fix all of Tesla's mistakes.

Maybe they'll get there, but I see nothing in this car that would entice me away from buying another Tesla when the time comes. Poor efficiency, poor range, poor DCFC, worse driving dynamics.

Then again, if Tesla is truly committed to the yoke wheel, no-stalk lifestyle...ugh.

I'm willing to give the yoke wheel the benefit of the doubt. I'm mostly a one hand turning type of guy anyway, so the yoke steering wheel makes no difference to me handling wise. The only time I put my hand on the top of the steering wheel or at the bottom is when I'm cruising, in which case I have autopilot on. But autopilot is designed such that, annoyingly, it won't register your hand in those positions because it does not register any torque on the steering wheel. So I'm stuck with putting my hand somewhere at the 3 and 9 position anyways.

My main point of concern with the yoke wheel is that I don't see how you could do a grip-and-slide with it. I find that an important technique for turning smoothly. And, of course, the fact that a wheel just makes sense as a shape for something you turn.
 
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A brief history of ‘frunks’. A splattering of low priced, mid-engined cars from the 60s/70s like the Lotus Europa, Porsche 914, Fiat X1/9 and Lancia Beta Montecarlo introduced the masses to frunks. However, I’ve never met anyone who uses the term. ‘Stick it in the front trunk’ is common at shows or car runs. Frunk is used in a jesting manner.

Well, there was also this minor car called the VW Beetle, which had a front trunk starting 1938 ;)
Plenty of other models had rear engines & front trunks in the 1940s & 1950s, like the Renault 4CV and Dauphine, NSU Prinz etc.

I'm pretty sure the term is a specific coinage by someone at Tesla.
 
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You'd probably have to halve the pack size, which means carrying about 40kWh.

A Cayman is ~175 inches long. A Tesla Model 3 is 185 inches long.

Why would you have to halve the pack size? A Model 3's battery pack isn't 20 inches long.

Because otherwise you're carrying around 800-1000lbs of battery. Which kind of defeats the point of making a small, nimble sports car.

The answer is that right now, batteries do not have the sufficient energy and power density at a sufficient price to make affordable little two seaters. Or even Boxster-priced sports cars. If they did, someone would be building one.
 
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What happened to the Tesla Roadster II, or whatever it's called? I haven't heard anything since the original teaser video.

That should provide some data on battery weight (although it might cost a couple hundred-K and have a range of only two football fields).

I wouldn't be surprised if the new Roadster is relatively lightweight by modern standards (though probably not Miata light). A Model 3 SR+ weighs only 100 lb more than a BMW 330i, for example. To be fair modern BMWs are porkers in addition to Teslas being very lightweight for EVs.
 
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You'd probably have to halve the pack size, which means carrying about 40kWh.

A Cayman is ~175 inches long. A Tesla Model 3 is 185 inches long.

Why would you have to halve the pack size? A Model 3's battery pack isn't 20 inches long.

Because otherwise you're carrying around 800-1000lbs of battery. Which kind of defeats the point of making a small, nimble sports car.

The answer is that right now, batteries do not have the sufficient energy and power density at a sufficient price to make affordable little two seaters. Or even Boxster-priced sports cars. If they did, someone would be building one.

From 2010

Comparison: 2010 Tesla Roadster Sport vs 2011 Porsche Boxster Spyder

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsche ... omparison/
 
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You'd probably have to halve the pack size, which means carrying about 40kWh.

A Cayman is ~175 inches long. A Tesla Model 3 is 185 inches long.

Why would you have to halve the pack size? A Model 3's battery pack isn't 20 inches long.

Because otherwise you're carrying around 800-1000lbs of battery. Which kind of defeats the point of making a small, nimble sports car.

The answer is that right now, batteries do not have the sufficient energy and power density at a sufficient price to make affordable little two seaters. Or even Boxster-priced sports cars. If they did, someone would be building one.

From 2010

Comparison: 2010 Tesla Roadster Sport vs 2011 Porsche Boxster Spyder

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsche ... omparison/

He said affordable. :)
 
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I often see it opined on the internet that we need Real Car Builders that Know How to Build Cars to come in and fix all of Tesla's mistakes.

Maybe they'll get there, but I see nothing in this car that would entice me away from buying another Tesla when the time comes. Poor efficiency, poor range, poor DCFC, worse driving dynamics.

Then again, if Tesla is truly committed to the yoke wheel, no-stalk lifestyle...ugh.

I'm willing to give the yoke wheel the benefit of the doubt. I'm mostly a one hand turning type of guy anyway, so the yoke steering wheel makes no difference to me handling wise. The only time I put my hand on the top of the steering wheel or at the bottom is when I'm cruising, in which case I have autopilot on. But autopilot is designed such that, annoyingly, it won't register your hand in those positions because it does not register any torque on the steering wheel. So I'm stuck with putting my hand somewhere at the 3 and 9 position anyways.

How do you back up into a parking space or do a 3-point turn or a u-turn with one hand?


How do you back up into a parking space ?

1. Drive car slowly at 5mph past parking space
2. Wait for "P" symbol to show up
3. Start auto parking sequence.
4. Exit car when it completes parking.....10 min later

do a 3-point turn or a u-turn with one hand ?
That will be an upcoming in-depth review by you on the new Model S Plaid+ whenever you get a chance to drive it

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I'm actually surprised that the "yoke" was deemed legal in the Netherlands & the U.K
So maybe its better to wait & see how it pans out
 
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My hypothesis is that these components might frequently fail (relatively). Building it into the dash would make it much more expensive to swap in a new display when the existing one fails. (NOTE: This might not be a well thought out hypothesis, I'm only two sips into my morning coffee).

R&I of dashboard components including touchscreen head units (long available from the aftermarket) is a thoroughly solved problem with no necessity to hang them out in space. It's so easy to do automakers could make their displays as tablets (which have been able to interact with OBD systems for many years via simple Bluetooth dongles) permitting effortless swapout. Every connector option they might need is available COTS.

Given the need to make a dashboard crash-safe, I don't think the idea of removable consumer tablets instead of built-in infotainment screens will work nearly as well as you think it might.

Also, if the screen is to be touched, it needs to be within reach of the driver and front seat passenger, and that often means putting it proud of the dash, which is further away from the front seat occupants because again, people want crash safety in their new vehicles and that means having room between you and the hard dash.
The thing I find most puzzling in the cars that have a large centralized touchscreen, is that apparently none of them have a tilt-&-swivel mount.
I've never seen an LCD in a car that doesn't have serious glare/reflection readability issues in multiple circumstances (maybe because I live in a country with 340 sunny days a year), so it would eb helpful to eb able to adjust screen position to compensate. It can't be the expense -- even mid-priced consumer digital cameras have it.
 
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Because otherwise you're carrying around 800-1000lbs of battery. Which kind of defeats the point of making a small, nimble sports car.

The answer is that right now, batteries do not have the sufficient energy and power density at a sufficient price to make affordable little two seaters. Or even Boxster-priced sports cars. If they did, someone would be building one.

The original Tesla Roadster from 2008 weighs almost exactly as much as the Porsche Cayman does today. Surely in 2021 somebody could make a car with similar characteristics to the original Roadster for less money?

But whatever, my question was, what would a scaled-down Model 3 look like in terms of weight and price?

That is to say, make a two-seat, two-door Model 3 with reduced cargo storage and a big enough battery for the thing to go ~250 miles.

How much does that weigh? How much does that cost?

I would assume that such a car would weigh... what... 400 pounds less than a regular Model 3? And cost... what... $4000 less (at least to manufacture)?

So you'd be looking at a small car that weighs ~3300 lbs and costs around $34,000? That doesn't seem too bad at all.
 
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I'd expect the upcoming Model 2 to be smaller & have a structural pack & a single piece casting.

I would expect a Gen II of the 2170 since Panasonic already managed to squeeze more range out of the 18530 cells.

The higher end cars will all move eventually to the 4680 form factor & have a 400+ mile range
The lower end will have starting range of 300 miles & this will will give Tesla much better leverage against the competition.

At this point the unknown factor is how many 4680 packs can they make in a given quarter, because the semi & the roadster are also in line waiting for those.
 
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And to answer the most common question I have been asked about the car, yes, there is plenty of room for your head when you sit in the back, with 39.3 inches (998mm) of headroom courtesy of that TARDIS-like rear hatch.

That is great to know, thanks!

I wasn't able to find official specs on the ID4's rear headroom, but when I actually SIT in the back, my scalp grazes the ceiling. Very annoying. I'm not tall and I have have a good inch in the back of, say, a Passat Variant (which was next to the ID4 in the showroom). The Passat Variant is listed at 37.8" in the back, so 39.3" is very good. My best guess is the ID4 is a minuscule 37", but even the saleperson wasn't able to give me a number.

As for the rest of the interior, I'm split. I don't like the portrait mode touchscreen. Not here and not in the Model S. I'm not convinced by the decision to go with a small screen stuck on top of the dash in lieu of a traditional cluster of recessed gauges / screen. I don't quite feel the center console and armrest "flows" well, either, and looks a bit messy.

I *do* like the outside of the car. One of the best looking CUVs out there, IMHO, and I completely understand the amount of attention it garnered during testing!

I don't understand the decision to lock away the frunk, though, with what is basically an old-ICE-style hood release lever. As for the pre-segmented nature of the frunk... it almost looks like it's there to act as a crumple zone, doesn't it?

Perhaps they are afraid a frunk with an outside button would be easier to leave open, leading to some very exciting moments when the hood slams into your windscreen at highway speeds? That's the only thing I can think of.

That, or they just did this because they're used to it.

I'm not really expecting an external button and it almost certainly has an external manual release of some kind for first responders to use to gain access (required in e.g. a Tesla to disconnect the high voltage stuff). I would like to see the frunk access get some more love, though, and be as easy to use as in a 911. I'm not a fan of needing to get the phone out and use an app on the Tesla, either. The old 911s you could just use your key, which is easier to do one-handed with a bag in the other than getting your phone out, opening and navigating the Tesla app. Yeah, we're apparently going key-less, so maybe this is just a losing proposition, but the utility of a frunk is severely diminished for me if access to it isn't easy.

Don't even need to navigate into the Tesla application, certainly on Android, you just tap on the notification, and you have three immediate action options: unlock, and front and rear trunk
 
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Because otherwise you're carrying around 800-1000lbs of battery. Which kind of defeats the point of making a small, nimble sports car.

The answer is that right now, batteries do not have the sufficient energy and power density at a sufficient price to make affordable little two seaters. Or even Boxster-priced sports cars. If they did, someone would be building one.

The original Tesla Roadster from 2008 weighs almost exactly as much as the Porsche Cayman does today. Surely in 2021 somebody could make a car with similar characteristics to the original Roadster for less money?

But whatever, my question was, what would a scaled-down Model 3 look like in terms of weight and price?

That is to say, make a two-seat, two-door Model 3 with reduced cargo storage and a big enough battery for the thing to go ~250 miles.

How much does that weigh? How much does that cost?

I would assume that such a car would weigh... what... 400 pounds less than a regular Model 3? And cost... what... $4000 less (at least to manufacture)?

So you'd be looking at a small car that weighs ~3300 lbs and costs around $34,000? That doesn't seem too bad at all.

The current SR+ version of the Model 3 weighs 3550 lbs, costs $38K and has an EPA range of 263 miles.
 
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Not everyone is on board with the Mach-E being called a Mustang. Car people in particular are unhappy that the long and storied name has been attached to a five-door crossover, not a two-door coupe.

Are there going to be any small, affordable, sporty 2-door electric coupes anytime soon?

I'd be interested in something like a Miata, or a Toyota 86, or a Porsche Cayman (although it's obviously less affordable).

Nope, and as long as batteries remain heavy and expensive there won't be.

True for anything like 250mi of range, but for more casual driving, this MX-5 conversion by UK shop Zero EV is interesting as an indication of what's possible.

Same weight, weight distribution & performance as the original, same acceleration on a 26kWh pack, ~100mi range. A 40kWh pack would still be reasonable weight, and 150mi range would be enough for many people.

I actually expect there will be production cars like this in ~2 years -- there aren't any yet because the BEV market in general is still too small.
 
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It's okay not to like certain new tech. It doesn't make you a luddite or mean you're "just here to hate on new tech". I like tactile buttons. I want an instrument cluster infront of me. If the best vehicle for my needs was only available with a 17" smartphone glued to the center console, I guess I'd eat the crap sandwich and get used to it, but I think we all need to be careful about changing the driving experience too radically too quickly because of the inherent danger.

I can point you to a discussion on this site, going on at this very minute, where readers are saying they don't want any microchips in their cars.

Thanks, I hate it.
 
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The current SR+ version of the Model 3 weighs 3550 lbs, costs $38K and has an EPA range of 263 miles.

Oh, even better. I don't know what I googled that gave me 3700 lbs.

Is there a world where making a significantly smaller Model 3 doesn't result in a weight savings of at least 400 lbs.?

So it seems like a small Model 3 could easily weigh 3150 lbs. or possibly less. That's much less than e.g. a Porsche 911, a Corvette C8, a Toyota Supra, etc. Seems like a very reasonable weight for a small sporty vehicle.
 
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You'd probably have to halve the pack size, which means carrying about 40kWh.

A Cayman is ~175 inches long. A Tesla Model 3 is 185 inches long.

Why would you have to halve the pack size? A Model 3's battery pack isn't 20 inches long.

Because otherwise you're carrying around 800-1000lbs of battery. Which kind of defeats the point of making a small, nimble sports car.

The answer is that right now, batteries do not have the sufficient energy and power density at a sufficient price to make affordable little two seaters. Or even Boxster-priced sports cars. If they did, someone would be building one.

Another factor to consider is how profitable the endeavor would be--Two door roadsters are a favorite of enthusiasts, but they aren't exactly hot sellers compared to crossovers or even sedans. The Miata is the best selling two-seater sports car in history, and they only move 20,000 or so per year. Hard to justify the expenditure to bring something that low-volume to production when you're trying to get a foothold in a rapidly expanding market.
 
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I do not understand car companies desire to make vehicles less safe by the inclusions of a giant touch screen that controls nearly everything in the car. ....[snip]...I'm all for the future of electric vehicles, but you don't have to make them less safe and boring at the same time.

I don't understand why people with zero subject knowledge post this in every single forum. Every. Single. Forum. I assume these are the same people who are still using a sub 5" smart phone because 'big phones won't fit in my pockets'.

And what is your subject expertise that you think you can be condescending to my view points? I can concede I was wrong about the power consumption of the screen based being a drain on all the other replies, but an all touchscreen system for even basic vehicle controls is not safer than knobs and buttons of most cars on the road today. I don't have to take my eyes off the road to change the volume (not everyone is blessed enough to own a vehicle with steering wheel controls), to change the temperature, change fan speed, turn on the rear window defroster, etc.
 
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Even aside from the safety and convenience issues with touchscreen controls, I don't understand why no-one seems to make any effort at all to make them look like they belong there. Why does every car just have a big tablet glued in front of the dashboard? Surely it can't be that much effort to actually build it into place so that the screen seems like part of the fittings? It just looks so pathetically shoddy to try selling an expensive shiny car, and then just duck tape a cheap tablet to the front.

I read your comment, and was like, "This dude is totally over-reacting" and then I saw the picture! Bahahaha!! I really, truly, seriously, can't believe someone actually got a paycheck to come up with that design. They could have gotten a better design simply by running a design contest for a bunch of 6th graders. And you wouldn't need more than three or four kids in the contest to come up with something less glaringly ugly than that sheet-pan duct-taped to the dashboard look.
 
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And what is your subject expertise that you think you can be condescending to my view points? I can concede I was wrong about the power consumption of the screen based being a drain on all the other replies, but an all touchscreen system for even basic vehicle controls is not safer than knobs and buttons of most cars on the road today. I don't have to take my eyes off the road to change the volume (not everyone is blessed enough to own a vehicle with steering wheel controls), to change the temperature, change fan speed, turn on the rear window defroster, etc.

You're inventing a problem. With automatic climate control, how often are you fidgeting with the temperature and fan speed?

And if you need to use the controls, can't you wait until you're stopped at a light or something?
 
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