That take, "Why didn't Biden and Garland release the emails earlier? They must have been in on it!!1!!"-warble-garble, is starting to popup on BlueSky as well.
Epstein client list, does it exist or not?
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You are aware that this is the timeline that around 20 years ago Dan Rather's '60 Minutes' story about George W. Bush going AWOL from his Texas National Guard duties got buried and shit-canned by the producers because the same people that lied about, a.k.a. "Swift-boated", John Kerry's Vietnam tour of duty went on and on about the supposed presence of 'kerning' in the material Rather was going to use? That Bush II skipped out was grounds for disqualifying him from any Federal office. And THAT was gone from public awareness. I know that ARS forums and Front Page went in depth on the subject.
What pray tell do you think the media would have done with the furor the GOP, MAGA, and Trump would have made about the improper release in order to hid what the material said?
And even if there wasn't a court order, Biden's not the kind of guy to just go out and randomly smear people as a pedophile. He'd trust that the system would bring charges if there were a smoking gun to be found.
Really, the whole Epstein files mess is the creation of MAGA Inc. They were soooooooo convinced that Epstein hosted every single Democrat that they never bothered to think that one of their own had been the star of the show. Really, this all speaks mostly to the utter stupidity and moral depravity of MAGA than to any naivete of Biden and the Democrats.
I think if it were in his purview Biden still wouldn't have released anything.
Power protects power.
In theory, it should not be released as innocent until guilty. However, it certainly deserved a lot more investigations given the evidences.
I remain astonished that in all these years the files (or significant parts of them) never leaked.
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Does this flight to hell have barf bags?
The way these people move goalposts and justify reprehensible behavior….
"It's a hoax by the Democratic party"
"Why didn't Biden release the files?"
"Sure he raped minors, but they weren't minor minors"
It's sickening but strangely encouraging to see the media machine working overtime to try and frame whatever's in the files. Perhaps they really will be released. If so, steel yourselves: we might be about to see Trump naked.
Nerdy technocrats don't do oopsies. That's why they're losing to idiots, flat Earthers, and fascists.
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Does this flight to hell have barf bags?
The way these people move goalposts and justify reprehensible behavior….
This is the new bend they will have. And let's face it the GOP has been pushing this for ages. Removing consent, lowering age limits to be married, trying to mask everything as anything but rape.
Well, no. Look back no further than the previous football season. The Kansas City Chiefs had a reputation, deserved or not, of being favored by the officials. Not only did this lead to the officials being reviled, but their opponents un the Super Bowl were enthusiastically cheered.
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Does this flight to hell have barf bags?
The way these people move goalposts and justify reprehensible behavior….
A more substantial text quote for those with issues using Bluesky:
https://people.com/megyn-kelly-questions-jeffrey-epstein-pedophile-label-11849172
Reminds me of:
But really, it's for the authoritarian set as well. Cult leaders, for example, tend to have histories with this when they're confident in the hold they have over their followers.
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Does this flight to hell have barf bags?
The way these people move goalposts and justify reprehensible behavior….
Was this person who was very close to Jeffrey Epstein named Trump, by any chance? Or Murdoch? Or Ailes? Or Carlson?
Which one (or which several) of your Fox News colleagues was very close to Jeffrey Epstein such that they knew all about his abuse of minors?
15 year olds are barely legal types now? Maybe we should find out what kind of porn Megyn Kelly is watching.
I feel like I've learned so much about Peter Thiel recently. Thanks to South Park I now know that he knows about the anti-christ (oops now that song is stuck in my head again). From the daily show, I also know he was asked by Epstein to visit his island in december.
She’s the parent of a daughter at that age, so I assume she’s fine if Matt Gaetz, Jerry Seinfeld, or whomever the latest middle aged/geriatric sleazeball is, wants to date her.
It’s all so very gross.
Perhaps Bannon? Bannon was keeping close taps on Epstein in 2015-2018 according to these emails.
In some states, (e.g. NY) they are barely ILLEGAL (age of consent 16). In others, ( e.g. FL or CA) they are very illegal (18). But in all states they count as minors and rape charges qualify. I.e. the power and age gap leads to coercion being determined by fiat.
The mails lay irrefutable proof that Thiel was a customer of Epstein's pedo-ring. I hope that the blast radius takes him down, too.
Thiel might be more interested in stealing blood from children than sexually assaulting them.
I’d love nothing more. However the likelihood anyone goes to jail, or even loses their position, is 1%.
I’m rooting for that 1%. But it seems like a distant dream.
She does go out of her way to say she's not "defending" it or saying it isn't gross. It comes across as her uncritically repeating what that "friend" told her about things without actually letting it settle in and get analyzed for what it really means. Like, if some dude three times her daughters' age tried it on her daughter.
The whole thing reeks of trying to grasp at straws because it's Dear Leader-adjacent, attempting to rationalize things, and split hairs to make it less than entirely criminal, to insulate Trump from the fallout by word-lawyering it to death. It's a reaction some people have when confronted with cognitive dissonance.
The almost identical example I had in mind was the information that Mormon founder Joseph Smith took a polygamous wife who was merely 14 years old, and how the Salt Lake LDS church and its constellation of apologists always couch that in the phrase "nearly fifteen" rather than write out "fourteen years old." This was during a time period where the LDS church would have much more closely resembled the cult of "Fundamentalist LDS" sects like Warren Jeffs' in character and tone.
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Isn't Thiel famously (as in WTF are you supporting Republicans??) gay and out? Having knowledge about dirt on powerful people is power; maybe that is all that's happening in the emails, or Epstein trafficked in boys, which I've never heard of, or Thiel's sexuality is actually more secretive and complicated (prefers adult men, but women minors?) than is public?
As I understand it, for those who have a proclivity for raping children, it's often independent of their sexual orientation, because it's not really about sex in the first place.
But also, it's not hard to imagine that someone with Epstein's connections and.. ugh, "savvy" would probably be able to make arrangements to cater to someone of Thiel's level of power and influence if that's what he was after.
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Probably. They're so much richer than boys her age.
The only way it will make a difference is political opponents making it a campaign issue and enough voters refusing to vote for creeps.
Some will. Enough to make a difference? Who knows?
I wonder if they'll try to bribe a Democrat or two into voting against.
Won't matter. It's going to pass the House by a wide margin.
House Republicans move quickly on Epstein files as Trump faces political risk
Then, quite possibly die in the Senate.
I half expected Johnson to try sending everyone on an indefinite vacation to avoid a vote. Though I suppose there's still time for him to pull the fire alarm in the hallway.
She’s going out of her way for something, but arguably, it’s not to really say it’s disgusting. While this isn’t a unicorn thread, my issue with her line of argument here is basically the same as is summed up in this 1m comedy joke:
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She’s trying to selectively play with semantics on what is really an open and shut case.
More like gay and outed, that's why he killed Gawker.
That may be, but it is hard to imagine that the leaks will cease given the number of people that are reported to have seen or worked on the Epstein files.
Also, I can't help thinking that some of the most damaging material to Trump may have to do with Epstein's international connections, but that remains to be seen.
At this point I assume the emails that have come out are the worst that was turned over to Congress otherwise wtf is wrong with the Dems leaking some shit but sitting on worse shit. My understanding is that the DOJ likely has a lot of shit that was not turned over, hence this bill. Might be a lot easier to keep the lid on stuff that only DOJ people have seen.
The way the DOJ reportedly handled the "Trump sanitizing" of the files was something of a shitshow, with instructions to agents being amended multiple times, insufficient resources initially allocated and then more people put on the task that did not have the proper training to handle such sensitive material. I'm a bit skeptical that it was the most airtight of operations.
That's more common than you might think, as are straight men with minor boys...
WTF man. I know you like your occasional edgy remark, but you're treading into Megyn Kelly territory with that one.