There's some expert-level redaction going on in that dump. These are photos taken of a published book, so nothing really sensitive, but still a good show of competence. I guess that's why it's called an oversight committee.
Epstein client list, does it exist or not?
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It's a photo of Virginia Giuffre. For some reason, the unredacted versions were included as well.
The petition was passed
Petition Forcing Epstein Vote Succeeds Over White House Objections (WSJ)
So probably just theatrics for now. But if the leaks get spicier, all bets are off
Petition Forcing Epstein Vote Succeeds Over White House Objections (WSJ)
So probably just theatrics for now. But if the leaks get spicier, all bets are off
Meh. The Trump Derangement Syndrome of the Conservative MAGA cult is deeply set in. I’m already seeing a few things from: denial; to the email has nothing damning; to emails having names changed to Hillary.
The conservative demagogue machine and the mental gymnastics coaches are already on top of this and they’ll need a day to get 70 million Americans dancing to the choreography in unison.
Trump is a victim. Conservatives will make sure to frame it that way.
Nothing is going to change till the mental gymnastics coaches are dismantled by smart liberals with a touch of cunning in their hearts. But liberals are to empathetic and care about people. So, it’ll be up to some clever liberals here to take up that torch and counter the conservative programming. Good luck. 70 million zombies is a tall order to re-humanise.
Yeah I mean we just passed 1 year since the election. What’s the remediation for incriminating yet non-actionable information? GOP loses the midterms? They always were. This is horrible yet pointless.
NYTimes Reporter tipping Epstein off that people were looking into him again:
View: https://bsky.app/profile/chrisgeidner.bsky.social/post/3m5hnvd4kv22c
Same reporter trying to solicit a donation:
View: https://bsky.app/profile/bgrueskin.bsky.social/post/3m5hk7rkl222i
Epstein offered the Times dirt on Trump, they declined.
https://bsky.app/profile/datadrivenmd.social/post/3m5hh7cfqu22t
I make no bones about thinking the media is complete shit at their job, but uhh boy. This is worse than even I thought. I wonder if his rolodex wasn't just bankers and politicians, but also folks in the media.
View: https://bsky.app/profile/chrisgeidner.bsky.social/post/3m5hnvd4kv22c
Same reporter trying to solicit a donation:
View: https://bsky.app/profile/bgrueskin.bsky.social/post/3m5hk7rkl222i
Epstein offered the Times dirt on Trump, they declined.
https://bsky.app/profile/datadrivenmd.social/post/3m5hh7cfqu22t
I make no bones about thinking the media is complete shit at their job, but uhh boy. This is worse than even I thought. I wonder if his rolodex wasn't just bankers and politicians, but also folks in the media.
I'm sure everyone will be surprised to learn that Maxwell has been getting the 5* treatment...
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/news/de...-ghislaine-maxwell-prison-luxuries-rcna242928
So the House resolution counts on these Rs to sign it: Thomas Massie, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Nancy Mace, and Lauren Boebert. Wonder what the vegas odds are on which one gets bought off.
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/news/de...-ghislaine-maxwell-prison-luxuries-rcna242928
So the House resolution counts on these Rs to sign it: Thomas Massie, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Nancy Mace, and Lauren Boebert. Wonder what the vegas odds are on which one gets bought off.
Don’t worry, I’m sure Bob Woodward will have an “explosive” new book in 4 years about all the super horrible, terrible stuff Trump and his cronies have been doing…exclusively found in latest book, Trafficking.
A couple of months ago members of Congress were getting pressured to vote for the release of the files, including many GOP members, who were refusing Trump administration telling them not to sign the discharge petition.
Then supposedly Trump lobbying Boebert and Mace. You think he could threaten to endorse opponents if they didn’t do what he asked, especially Mace who is running for SC governor.
Can there be enough GOP senators who will vote for the release?
But Trump could veto it even if it passes both houses. And even the , wouldn’t it be heavily redacted? Trump considered govt. documents as his personal property at the end of his first administration and got away with taking them.
So if he wanted to burn or shred them, who in the DOJ, FBI or the WH would stop him? SCOTUS set a very high bar, maybe impossible to reach, for anything he does in office which could be judged as illegal acts.
He’s not likely to run again so what does it matter if it looks like he’s suppressing or destroying evidence? It might get him impeached again if Democrats win back the House but the Senate won’t get 67 votes to remove him.
Then supposedly Trump lobbying Boebert and Mace. You think he could threaten to endorse opponents if they didn’t do what he asked, especially Mace who is running for SC governor.
Can there be enough GOP senators who will vote for the release?
But Trump could veto it even if it passes both houses. And even the , wouldn’t it be heavily redacted? Trump considered govt. documents as his personal property at the end of his first administration and got away with taking them.
So if he wanted to burn or shred them, who in the DOJ, FBI or the WH would stop him? SCOTUS set a very high bar, maybe impossible to reach, for anything he does in office which could be judged as illegal acts.
He’s not likely to run again so what does it matter if it looks like he’s suppressing or destroying evidence? It might get him impeached again if Democrats win back the House but the Senate won’t get 67 votes to remove him.
The court of public opinion has a pretty low standard of evidence.
Unfortunately, American conservatives have really played up the strongman appeal, and nothing says strongman like getting caught red-handed and getting away with it.
I'd like to think that maybe there's a difference between old-fashioned political and financial corruption and a vile, decades-spanning trafficking and sex abuse ring involving countless teenage victims. I'd really like to believe there is a difference.*
* Not that either should be tolerated in a minimally functional society.
That's the thing: if we're assuming a morality where "might is right" the more vile and reprehensible the crime, the more impressive it is to get away with it with no consequences. It makes that person a "winner."
Look at professional sports. How many Americans idolize the athletes who get away with blatant fouls that don't get called by officials?
I don't think there is. I think its a symptom of a problem going back all the way to Appomattox Court House
We don't hold high status people accountable in the USA. We always give them deal of letting them retire from public life, while they don't actually retire, they work tirelessly to rewrite history with themselves as the noble victim, cast down by corrupt forces. Where as in reality they were the corrupt forces.
And this isn't just the billionaires and new oligarchs. There is probably some local guy whose sole claim to status is his dad owns a car dealership skating on some terrible crimes. Its completely endemic.
We're now dealing with people who know that no matter what they'll never be held accountable, and they revel in it.
To a large extent, I agree, which is why earlier in this thread I wrote about the elites in this country being able to act outside the norms of our society. Still, I find room to consider some crimes worse than others.
It’s almost like there is a cabal of wealthy sex traffickers who work to insulate themselves from consequences and abuse the rest of us, supported by a complicit political class who knows where not to look if they want their bread buttered.
Surely that can’t be true? We have rule of law in the US, and there’s definitely not a long and storied history of powerful people “stepping down in disgrace” only to spend the rest of their lives rehabilitating their image and the people that supported them moving on to other influential positions to continue the abuses. We make sure all people are equal under the law and have consequences to match their actions. It’s why Nixon spent those years in jail, several SC justices were impeached for bribery, and Trump died in prison.
…Sorry, I’ve been inform this is the dumb timeline, please disregard the above.
Unless I'm completely missing it, it's not clear if Thomas solicited that donation from Epstein while working for The New York Times. If that is the case, there's a serious red line he crossed. All of his subsequent reporting on Epstein could then be called into question. There's a serious cloud hanging over his journalistic standards.
"…Sorry, I’ve been inform this is the
timeline, please disregard the above."corrected for you. Epstein is not even that powerful or rich on a relative rich people scale. However, he was able to get away with a lot.
Wait ... WHAT? This is treated as a law? Isn't it a right of parliament to request any and all information of the executive?!Slight correction: Her signature will allow the discharge petition to proceed, which will force a vote in the House on a bill that would require the DOJ to release the files.
That bill would then go to the Senate. If the Senate manages to pass it (with 60 votes needed), it would then go to the President's desk for his signature to become law. If he vetoes it (which he would - bet the farm on that), then both houses would need a 2/3rds vote to override the veto.
In other words, every Democrat (and quite a few Republicans) could vote for it, and it still ain't gonna happen.
For more info, see I'm Just a Bill
We are now in a timeline where a legitimate question to the editors of "the paper of record" would be: "Is it standard policy of the New York Times to solicit charitable donations from known pedophiles?"
Well, if he doesn't comply, they can always, you know, impeach him....
I saw a TikTok on this that perfectly encapsulated the situation. The whole "Epstein list" and frankly anything for that matter to them were never about protecting the victims, it's absolute selective punishment.
Hillary ran the pizza shop human trafficking thing... put her in jail!
We are going to make the Laken Riley Act against the wishes of Riley's parents. All illegals are murderers and deport them!
A trans person committed a crime. ALL Trans must be murderers, they must be made illegal!
The Epstein list is going to show ALL Dems are pedos. Arrest all Dems!
Never mind the actual perpetrators made up or otherwise. And when a perp is their own, they will twist themselves in knots to concoct a story like "Trump was a secret FBI agent" to continue their crusade against anything not them.
It was always done in bad faith.
Seems obvious to me that my esteemed representative Lauren Boebert was identified as the weakest link in that chain and for good reason givin that she is a complete idiot. That being said even after the Whitehouse meeting she is sticking to saying she is voting on it.
Until the vote is actually held and she votes yes, her verbal contract is worth the paper it's written on.
On the leaks ... HOLY SHIT!
I never expected Trump to be a full on pedophile ... and here it is. And the shared "beautiful secret" is that both operated a grooming ring for pedophilia. And worst? Trump was angry at Epstein and cut him out because Epstein was poaching a girl from MaraLago's Trump pedo-ring.
Jesus. This is bad. Way worse than I ever thought.
And stupid, fucking drooling Biden, sat on this shit and never published it? WTF?!! Actually, everybody in power knew about this shit to some degree and no one used it?
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. What is wrong with these people?
I never expected Trump to be a full on pedophile ... and here it is. And the shared "beautiful secret" is that both operated a grooming ring for pedophilia. And worst? Trump was angry at Epstein and cut him out because Epstein was poaching a girl from MaraLago's Trump pedo-ring.
Jesus. This is bad. Way worse than I ever thought.
And stupid, fucking drooling Biden, sat on this shit and never published it? WTF?!! Actually, everybody in power knew about this shit to some degree and no one used it?
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. What is wrong with these people?
I recently said that no matter how petty you think Trump is you've underestimated it by at least an order of magnitude. Let's generalize that.
No matter how bad you think Trump's personality flaws and crimes are, you're underestimating them by at least an order of magnitude.
No matter how bad you think Trump's personality flaws and crimes are, you're underestimating them by at least an order of magnitude.
Boebert will vote Yes on the bill. Bet (half) the farm on it.
Realize the DOJ is already largely defying a Congressional subpoena to release the files.
This is all about getting GOP members to vote on the record. IOW, it's about getting ammunition for future elections.
If Congress had any backbone, executive branch officials blatantly ignoring Congressional subpoenas would be seeing jail time.
Money is the greatest virtue of them all, and pedophiles' money spends as well as anyone else's...
Who would do the prosecution? Bondi? LOL. Now pull the other one.
Inherent contempt? Sounds good, but not gonna happen. Hasn't been used in a hundred years, and certainly won't with Speaker Johnson.
Not just money. There are always stories about cover-up by law enforcement because of relationship/biased/etc. We suck... I am just surprised how suck we are in this case.
…really?
It was patently obvious from the jump. Normal people don’t barge into children’s beauty pageant dressing rooms, talk about fucking their daughter, and hang out with well known pedophiles and child traffickers.
Not that I don't think this is a possibility but nothing I've seen so far proves anything beyond the fact that Trump knew what was going on and that Epstein was luring girls away from Mar-A-Lago, which Trump was pissed about. None of it proves that Trump was actively engaged in Epstein's operations, or trafficking, or partook of Epstein's "services" or did anything beyond hang out and be photographed in the presence of young, scantily clad, probably underage women.
The fact that he knew what we now know he did before he even took office is pretty bad, but I think it's far enough removed that the GOP can (mostly) safely ignore it. Which is pretty disgusting all the same but it's what we have come to expect. None of what is being currently reported is a smoking gun. It may be enough for the more moderate conservatives who still have something of a moral compass when it comes to looking the other way at the sexual exploitation of underage women, but for most of the rich and powerful, and probably most of the GOP voting base, none of that comes as any surprise and is just "boys will be boys"
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I think it's a smoking gun. I would want to know why he spent hours at Epstein's place wth an underage girl. I would also like to investigate if they intimidated her to deny that Trump did anything while she was alive.
Nope, it’s Dragon Ball Z rules, I can only help you fix yours.
And stupid, fucking drooling Biden, sat on this shit and never published it? WTF?!! Actually, everybody in power knew about this shit to some degree and no one used it?
If I remember correctly, most of it was sealed under a court order, meaning they could not legally release it. Biden and the Democrats "sat on it" because they follow the rules.
I think the most disturbing part of the emails, beyond ya know... the obvious shit, is how stupid your average "elite" is.
The quality of their arguments, about things that determine human civilization itself would get a 14 year old laughed out of a League of Legends patch thread on Twitter.
But instead they, through the media, set the terms of what is acceptable and what is "serious".
Some rando on Reddit probably puts more effort, research and knowledge into a flamewar about a nerf in a video game do than these guys do into things that determine the fate of nations.
The quality of their arguments, about things that determine human civilization itself would get a 14 year old laughed out of a League of Legends patch thread on Twitter.
But instead they, through the media, set the terms of what is acceptable and what is "serious".
Some rando on Reddit probably puts more effort, research and knowledge into a flamewar about a nerf in a video game do than these guys do into things that determine the fate of nations.
Someone shoulda taken one for the team.