I've seen a lot of chatter about Carlson making a presidential run. This could be laying the groundwork for that.
Domestic consequences of the 2024 US presidential election: the quickening
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Why not? We clearly don't have any ambition when it comes to Republican presidents.
I read that too, and couldn't help stacking it up with all the other names that have become outspoken against Trump this year - people who supporters used to tout as champions of the MAGA cause. Names like Carlson, Alex Jones, MTG, Joe Rogan, Theo Von, Candace Owens...
I look at the growing list of names, and I look at Trump's response to these people, literally calling them "low IQ" "stupid people", and his spat with the Pope, and his recent 'lol, look at me - I'm literally Jesus!' type posts on social media, and his plummeting approval ratings, and I can't help but think that this is all signs of what I've been saying all along - to the regular voter, Trump IS MAGA, and as Trump goes, MAGA will go.
There's no way MAGA holds onto significant power by the end of the 2028 elections, and there's no way Trump will be nearly fit enough by then for MAGA to even be able to pretend he can legitimately hold office even if he tries to run. Which I still have my doubts on - I still think his primary interest is purely in cashing out as much as he can, ending with him and his family and closest supporters riding off into the sunset laughing all the way to the bank while MAGA burns to ash in their wake.
Unfortunately, all the rest of the country has to suffer for almost 3 more years as he continues to fuck us over at every turn to maximally line his pockets, and it'll take a long time to repair the damage he has done along the way. Much of it will probably never be repaired. But as he becomes increasingly deranged and hostile to everyone who isn't on board with his crazy schemes, the support and appetite for his bullshit will continue to dwindle. As has been said here before, credulity does have a breaking point, and more and more people are reaching theirs every month.
I think that's the best case scenario, to be honest.
I'm pretty sure Trump wants his own version of a Thousand Year Reich with his hand-picked (and suitably sycophantic) successor taking over once he dies (the 2028 election won't matter).
I'm pretty sure Trump wants his own version of a Thousand Year Reich with his hand-picked (and suitably sycophantic) successor taking over once he dies (the 2028 election won't matter).
My real hope is that if there is a Democratic President in 2009, that he/she will come to power saying things like the new PM of Hungary:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...hose-who-plundered-hungary-after-election-win
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...hose-who-plundered-hungary-after-election-win
All narcissists are interested in their legacy. Fascist ones even more so.
I am not sure the 2 of you are actually in disagreement here. I don't think Trump actually cares about anyone else, his legacy is not his offspring/apprentices, but his name and fame.
Nothing, but caring about himself has to include not facing any consequences for any of the blatant corruption, so perhaps he'd want to secure a friendly regime.
I'm not sure why that'd matter unless he thinks he'll lose his grip on the GOP and the Republicans would come after him. I'd really doubt they'd do anything but maybe forget him like they did Bush Jr.
We know the Democrats wouldn't lift a finger to do anything.
He has to care enough about his family or all this grifting wouldn't make sense. Unless he builds a bunker to bury himself in with all that money like some stupid Pharaoh.
Oh, Trump doesn’t.
But the Peter Thiels, and Elon Musks, and Palmer Luckeys, and Curtis Yarvins of the world? Yeah, they have designs, and both Trump and his party are wholly and entirely their instruments.
I think he likes the idea of being able to decide who gets to replace him - only when he no longer wants the job, of course.
He cares about his legacy, he clearly wants everyone to see him as a great president. It’s still about him.
This. Again, Trump wants his own Thousand Year Reich where he gets to pick who takes over when either a) he dies or b) he doesn't want to do it anymore. Even in death, Trump wants to know that they're still singing his praises.
Democrats should campaign on taking his name off the Kennedy Center, canceling and dismantling the ballroom, canceling and dismantling the arch, canceling any name changes to airports, etc.
Yep.
If all that is built and a Democrat gets the poo-poo throne then first order is to tear it all down.
I'd definitely tear it all down, but I'd make that the second order. The first order will be to arrest and prosecute all the criminals in the Trump administration (i.e. pretty much all of them).
I'd also start heavy investigations into the supreme court. There's a few of those bozos that need to be in cells.
Sadly unless the Dems have a massive upheaval in 2026, 2028, and beyond where actual progressives, democratic socialists, and other non-corporate democrats take power, it will be more of the same ho-hum republican-lite bullshit where nothing changes, then you get another movement of the GOP that has another Trump like figure who promises the world and delivers nothing but harm, and then we spin this whole cycle out again.
I really hope voters are at a tipping point, but I don't hold out a lot of hope.
Yeah, I could see him wanting that. But when it comes to that, I keep reminding myself that the peoples' appetite for MAGA really seems to be an appetite specifically for Donald Trump himself. His name specifically is the only name that really ignites the fervor and gets people behind the cause. Hand-picked Trump candidates at all levels have been getting trounced all across the country ever since 2020. Trump is MAGA. MAGA is Trump. If his name isn't personally on the ballot, people are a lot less enthusiastic to vote for it.
So I am kinda not afraid of any long-term Trump designs or desires in that regard.
On this, I kinda go back to rich and powerful people just not having to face any significant consequences except in extremely rare cases. Epstein is the exception, not the rule. Short of reaching that level of scandal, once you accumulate enough money, you kinda do just get to get away without facing any real consequences.
At the end of last year, Donald Trump was #201 on the Forbes list of the 400 wealthiest Americans. At the rate he's using the Presidency to accumulate wealth, it's not crazy to think he could be in the top 100 by the end of 2028. He is about $5B away from that mark right now, and he managed to make $3B last year.
In fact, Glenn Beck tried the same schtick during Trump I. "Apologized" for being a liemonger that paved the way for Trump. A few years later he was back on the Trump side.
But this:
Is just the "Good Czar, bad boyars" routine.
Actually no, that's me misreading. I can only tolerate people like Carlson in small bits so I stopped there and took it in the wrong context. I still think the comparison to Beck is accurate, though.
Not all of them. There's a rare variant of narcissists who think that they are literally the center of the universe, and that reality will cease to exist when they do. (Some of those couch it in video game terms.) Those types have no interest in a legacy, because they don't believe that the world will exist without them.
There's circumstantial evidence that Trump might be that kind of narcissist.
But how can the STRONG LEADER be so easily swayed by the bad boyars when you voted for him because he was so strong? Ah, dont bother answering that, I fear that the people who did the actual voting dont even have a clue how contradictory their own ideas are.
If I recall correctly, Hitler created a Nero decree to obliterate all German infrastructure upon his death by suicide because he didn't believe Germans should be allowed to exist for failing him. That decree was ignored by Albert Speer after his death, which resulted in the surrender of Germany.
I'd be willing to bet that Musk is precisely that sort of narcissist.
Trump has no reason to be different when the American public elevated him above
everyone else, twice.
I wonder if the ballroom could ever be considered secure when there has been probably free access to any foreign agents that wanted to mess with it, and no reliable logs of who had access to the site when.
At the least I’d expect it to be a monumental undertaking to go over the entire building and check for bugs or compromised systems down to the electrical wiring.
A similar decree existed for Paris, but the commander of the German forces decided to ignore it as well. Or the Resistance had already removed that possibility for him.
That and the Gulf of Mexico. I want the new name gone, and will dead-name that body of water if it isn't rolled back.
On the subject of "Nero decrees," I didn't know that about either Germany or Vichy France. But I wouldn't be surprised if Trump, Thiel, Ellisons and Musk are thinking along those very lines. They certainly don't care about leaving the world more stable than they found it (natch).
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They still call it the Gulf of Mexico in normal countries.
I'd also support anyone replacing Trump who refers to all bodies of water as the Gulf of America going forward. Lakes, rivers, oceans, puddles, everything. If called on it, refuse to understand the joke by 600%. It's not like anything means anything any more.
Welp, there goes the National Science Board and, thereby, the National Science Foundation.
This is why it's not even a question of winning elections. It would take a generation to undo this kind of damage, even if the government were somehow abruptly staffed by sane people, which is not gonna happen.
This is why it's not even a question of winning elections. It would take a generation to undo this kind of damage, even if the government were somehow abruptly staffed by sane people, which is not gonna happen.
Republicans break the social contract of government actually providing for its polity.
Democrats are incapable of restoring the social contract in 5 minutes with no majority.
Elect Republicans again. Repeat process until you’re literally a failed state.
Trump can't die of hamberder artery blockage fast enough. Every passing day he still draws breath is a day the world darkens.
Yes, but Trump is a symptom, not the disease. The disease is corruption, enabled by Epstein-class billionaires and corporations. The death of Trump, as the old joke goes, might be a good start, but it'd only be a start. Vance would not be better.
Again, the question must be asked: if you were a foreign agent charged with the sabotage and destruction of the United States as a geopolitical entity, how would you be doing anything differently than what President Trump is and has been doing?