Doctors are angry and alarmed that preventive care could go the way of vaccines.
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Doctors outraged after RFK Jr. fires leaders of key preventive medicine panel
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Voting is important, but even if Dems control both the House and the Senate (an unlikely scenario, currently), they will be far from the amount of control they would need to actually stop this madness (impeachment). Democrats at best can hope to slow down the madness, not stop it. The question is how much can they slow it down, which depends on whether they are able to win both the House and the Senate, or just the House.
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Maybe the middle ages could provide some inspiration when it comes to deterrence? Never much in favor of it, but there's a place and time for everything...
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Kennedy is already to blame for thousands of deaths outside the US and won't be satisfied until he does that in the US too. Criminal scumbag that he is.
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I bet Bin Laden has a smile on his face right jow...
He might be dead, but he still won!
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It may be really bad in the US, but this horseshit is endemic. Many places it's thankfully fringe, but don't kid yourself, it's not just the US.
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What a perfect way to damage the USA.
Kill off or maim the young by discouraging vaccines that were developed at great expense because too many of our young were dying needlessly. Obviously not important.
Ditto with older folk. Preventative care like mammograms or colonoscopies help save lives of productive folk at the peak of their careers. Why should that be important?
JFK is not exactly the poster boy for a reformed ex heroin addict, but he is apparently loyal. But who to?
Is it possible some foreign power has bought him for a few million to stuff up the states? Or is he just an addled ex junkie? I don't know which is scarier.
Kill off or maim the young by discouraging vaccines that were developed at great expense because too many of our young were dying needlessly. Obviously not important.
Ditto with older folk. Preventative care like mammograms or colonoscopies help save lives of productive folk at the peak of their careers. Why should that be important?
JFK is not exactly the poster boy for a reformed ex heroin addict, but he is apparently loyal. But who to?
Is it possible some foreign power has bought him for a few million to stuff up the states? Or is he just an addled ex junkie? I don't know which is scarier.
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What else is there to write but: Vote Democrat for every office in every election. Nothing else will make any difference.
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If this is anywhere within your top 100 concerns with the American healthcare system, you have serious problems of one sort or another that are far beyond my ability to help.
And it's goddamned pathetic that the NHS cares more about the "evils" of circumcision even as they're cutting back on providing gender affirming care, something we actually do better in the USA, FYI.
Like I said, we've got a lot of problems with the American healthcare system, but literally any argument that begins with "Americans are being given unnecessary medical procedures for free" needs to include a pause for the laugh track.
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well unless that market is part of Obamacare... Then it is woke evil.
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Historically, once a nation fundamentally breaks the social contract around the peaceful transition of power (see: January 6), it’s actually quite difficult to vote people out who don’t believe in your principles.
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It's that Enlightenment thing, where experiment and testable hypotheses trump opinion, that's the problem. Better the old days when interpretation of nature (like which shoulder the black bird flew over) and authoritative sources (the older the better) were the standards to be followed.
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I take issue with this subheader. It should be:
We're just destroying the entire area.
Vaccines are preventative care.
We're just destroying the entire area.
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It's worth pointing out that while things like mammograms and colonoscopies save specific lives, statins are somewhat unique in that they've been shown repeatedly to save lives ststistically in the big picture, even when we can't point to specific individuals.
I mention this because the benefits of statins are so high relative to the risks, at the societal level, that they're Nobel Prize-worthy drugs. And this tends to get overlooked in part because unlike a mammogram, we can't point to a friend or family member and say that it saved their life, even when it does.
This makes it harder to explain that these changes have the potential for serious numbers of preventable and premature deaths from cardiovascular and neurovascular diseases as well.
I mention this because the benefits of statins are so high relative to the risks, at the societal level, that they're Nobel Prize-worthy drugs. And this tends to get overlooked in part because unlike a mammogram, we can't point to a friend or family member and say that it saved their life, even when it does.
This makes it harder to explain that these changes have the potential for serious numbers of preventable and premature deaths from cardiovascular and neurovascular diseases as well.
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I said most of two decades ago that Americans would tire of nothing getting done, and we would elect someone who would Get Things Done, to our sorrow.
I would rather have been wrong.
I would rather have been wrong.
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So, just to be clear: is the serious suggestion being made here that the authors should have not bothered writing their statement and instead skipped directly to... employing violence?
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So what's your plan/suggestion for when - as looks increasingly likely - the mid-terms are rendered moot, either by tampering or just flat-out not being held?
You've already got violence, it's just that it's the other side employing it.
Nobody's endorsing violence. Nobody's suggesting it as one-stop go-to solution. 'Violence is the last resort...' etc.
But there comes a point where writing a sternly worded email ain't going to cut it, and you need to recognise when that is. Hopefully it doesn't happen and the mid-terms take place as they should and the results are honoured, but do you really think this regime is going to allow itself to be voted out?
Because you really, really need to start thinking about what to do in that eventuality. They've had a practice run already with Jan 6th, and they learned from it. It would be nice if the rest of you did.
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I remember telling people for years that the idea that the best ideas will always win in the 'marketplace of ideas' if we just let everyone say their piece was not true. Just look at history. Good ideas have always existed at the same time as bad ones, and yet we have followed bad ideas over and over again. Because a lot of people (maybe most) are responding to ideas on a social and emotional level, not analyzing their content, their historical context, and what they imply. Nor are they accounting for the fact that some people are bad actors who present fancy, nice ideas that don't actually exist, just so they can lure you into their group.
I feel the same way about "at least now we know who the racists are". Yeah, we know who they are because they're back to actively hurting people and screaming their bullshit on the airwaves. I don't see how that's an improvement to when they thought their bs was unacceptable, so they kept it to themselves. Unless you foolishly think it's possible to 'get rid' of them (and no, I don't mean killing them), but that's founded on the idea that bigotry won't occur on its own. The best we can do is keeping them quiet and inactive.
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There is a 100% chance that if Democrats do take power, either at the midterms or after his term, they will say we need to focus on 'moving forward' and will make no effort whatsoever to punish anyone in the Trump administration for what they did. In fact, they will probably cast those who support the ideas as 'divisive' and 'stuck in the past'. Watch.
I don't know where so many people are getting the idea that there will automatically be some kind of new Nuremberg trials after this administration is over. I guess it's just wishful thinking, but people need to realize our leaders aren't going to just hand that to us. Any consequences for those in the ruling class, even ones they may hate like Trump, increases the chance that their own actions will face consequences in the future. They desperately do not want to set that precedent. So things will continue 'as normal', and we will have to live with the new era of Trump conservatives for who-knows how long. I really, really hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.
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Women get mammograms. That’s woke by definition, it’s not a preventative screening for “Christian” cis het white men.
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I think a lot of these people have convinced themselves that they aren't eugenicists, either. Sure, the people at the top know. But never underestimate humans' ability for self-deception to justify their actions. As long as their bosses don't use the word eugenics, they will justify what they're doing (if they even think that much about it at all).
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at this point it's hysterically funny
give it a few years and this stuff will be looked back upon with a "damn man that was weird"
give it a few years and this stuff will be looked back upon with a "damn man that was weird"
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And for the entire meantime, we will have to listen to smug pricks tell us "see, nothing happened. Guess the sky wasn't falling", and then immediately swap to "why is this happening???" as soon as consequences are felt.
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I mean, you can see them say the ""quiet part"" out loud online plenty. Either these people no longer think about their own wellbeing, or they have convinced themselves that making other people angry somehow helps them.
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Sure bud... Sure. We in Europe are governed by people who aren't suffering from Dementia.
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"We don't have the power to do anything, so we're going to do nothing, because we know anything we do will fail, and we're just wittle guys afwaid of failureYes, we do have to go through the process of documenting, in the government's own records, these lapses of judgement because they are statements of evidence that can accumulate into overwhelming proof. And they can be written and submitted at the same time that legislation is passed to stop these lapses in judgement.
I'm sure skipping documentation and legislation and jumping directly to...guns in the streets? Mass violence? Civil war?...will put a stop to the madness.
It's patently ridiculous to say that anyone other than the entire GOP is passively accepting the destruction of RFK, Jr. The Democrats don't hold any of Congress' chambers or the Executive. Wishcasting that AOC or some other person in Congress stand up in a hearing and laser-eye RFK, Jr. into ash and bone is absurdity.
"This what I hear every time I hear any variant of the "what do you want them to do, they don't have enough power" argument. I WANT THEM TO FUCKING TRY TO DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T WORK. THIS IS IMPORTANT.
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If you were alive in the 60s, you would talk about how much you love MLK Jr, but how the demonstrations on the streets are "too violent" and "only hurt the movement".
But sure, let's just keep praying to the ballot Gods that someone else will swoop down and save us, and everything will suddenly be back to normal as soon as someone else is in office. The Dark One and his forces will be swept into the dustbin of history, surely. After all, we know the Democrats are such proactive leaders, they'll have all of this reversed in no time, and definitely won't drag their feet to absorb the money this is generating for them in the meantime.
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Today I learned that people suffering and dying from treatable-if-caught-early cancers are funny.
Fuck is wrong with you?
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Is that really a conspiracy theory? I mean a ‘humane alternative to genocide’ (which, as I understand it, simply means arranging things so a lot of people die in a way that doesn’t involve the tech bros getting their hands dirty directly) to mitigate those issues and get the workforce down to an ‘appropriate’ level for the glorious (for the oligarchs) AI driven future of their fever dreams is an explicit part of of the Yarvinite tech fascist platform.
It’s been my personal hypothesis for a while that going after medical care generally, and vaccines and other preventive care in particular, is the tech fascists’ long term play for massaging the death rate up and life expectancy down. It will be difficult to ever fully correct an under vaccinated generation or two and they can maintain plausible deniability by putting all the blame on the MAHA lunatics.
Similar reasoning applies to why they’re trying to make pregnancy more dangerous. It reduces the live birth rate and increases female mortality. The religious conservatives are their patsies for that one.
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I urge the current and former members of the US Preventive Services Task Force to meet independently of the administration and release their recommendations directly to the public.
You are all going to be fired anyway. Go down fighting.
You are all going to be fired anyway. Go down fighting.
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Even the most ill intended do things that give some benefit to themselves. WTF does MAHA/MAGA/just plain crazy get out of this? There have been examples that could be explained as 'cruelty is the point'/retribution , but this kind of stuff just bounces off any attempt I make at seeing it from the other persons perspective. I have a headache now.
Edited to add: Not going to go down some tech bro engineered eugenic rabbit hole.
Edited to add: Not going to go down some tech bro engineered eugenic rabbit hole.
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MilanKraft
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Technically the only lives they've ever given a shit about protecting are abortion-related lives (or clumps of human cells that will become alive several weeks from whenever now is)... and that's mostly posturing since, when the non-white types of lives are actually brought in the world, their collective fucks given level drops to -1.
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MilanKraft
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Your critique is valid, sir. I will endeavor to refine my liberal-minded conspiracy game so that it maximally reflects reality (unlike MAGAn conspiracies, which generally require ignoring the laws of physics, biology, and other immutables).Nice effort, keep going
Not bad but not that good, alas...
The average US adult's earning and tax contributions peak between 45 and 54 years of age, and are still quite solid all the way to retirement age.
Setting them up to croak early is a worthy initiative, but cutting life-saving medical exams in that age bracket kills them off too fast. If you put a survival time of a few years, you have them all killed in the prime of their tax-paying age.
A much more interesting project would be to run the scythe the day after they retire. It's being worked on as well. Group effort
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The suggestion is simply that it's not easy, as quoted, to vote yourself out of an authoritarian/autocratic system. No more, no less.
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If I were not living here I would be golf clapping the extremist republicans and their efforts to turn the US into a regressive, non-developing country. Fuck them and fuck everything they think.
I'm financially secure enough that I can move to a country that is in better condition so that my kid has a better future. The US has been regressive for over forty years but this final sprint will degrade the US at a speed and in a manner that will serve as a notable historical event that other countries will study and learn from for generations.
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Voting is great and all, but when you have one party dedicated to the idea of limiting who can vote, it's effectiveness really nosedives.
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