Third suspect arrested after man was kidnapped and tortured for Bitcoin

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    AI is cool i guess said:
    exactly, seatbelts plus brakes, not seatbelts instead of brakes; thanks for confirming the point.
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    Then what's your point? The original quote was "use unregulated currency..." - so they were saying people using crypto are are using currency without a seatbelt - and you said that "if regulations worked, there'd be no need for police", implying regulations don't work and therefore seatbelts are useless and only the brakes do anything.

    And now, you're saying seatbelts are required.

    So which is it? You can't both say "seatbelts don't work" and "seatbelts are an essential part of the safety features" and be taken seriously.
     
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    There's a lot missing in this report. These guys weren't just criminals, they're stuuuuuuuupid criminals. They recorded all the torture. They designed a t-shirt to celebrate their antics. All documented by Coffeezilla on his second channel. These crypto bros are cosplaying being the Russian Mafiya, very poorly.


    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26kLN1A05zQ
     
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  • #51
    Jackattak said:
    The victim surely missed his calling as a spy/infiltrator. Anyone taking that amount of torture and not giving up the creds is well suited for the work.
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    Well, if he had given up his creds, he would have ended up “accidentally” falling off the ledge..

    Edit: language
     
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  • #53
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    Two butlers? I always assumed butlers operated under Highlander rules. They probably just happened to be in the area for an unrelated Gathering.
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    It’s just good resilience planning. If your active butler goes down for any reason, you can immediately fall over to the standby butler.
     
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    AI is cool i guess said:
    yeah, those aren't the exact words i used.

    two things can be true: (1) wrench attacks are vile and (2) watching bitcoin punch through new ATHs does strange things to the psyche of people who predicted oblivion since 2013 (i'm speaking from experience here) the ‘no-regulation!’ refrain feels less like public-safety advocacy and more like a consolation prize.

    celebrating a wrench attack because “rich crypto bros had it coming” (there was a lot of this being posted in the previous article about this) is the same moral logic as blaming someone’s wardrobe for assault. violence isn’t righteous just because the target holds a private key. condemn the crime, improve the ops-sec conversation, but skip the schadenfreude, otherwise you’re just cheering bruises, not better policy.
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    So your point is "Some people in another article said nasty things about Cryptobros and thats wrong"??

    Great ok.

    None of that describes what you meant when you made these 2 statements.
    "if regulation prevented crime, we'd have no need for police"
    or
    "regulation is the seatbelt; enforcement is the brake, nobody said toss out the brakes."

    I and clearly others interpreted that as a dislike for the regulations. If we are wrong, then you need to work on your communication skills.
     
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  • #56
    lurknomore said:
    Non-crypto billionaires have bodyguards for a reason.
    I'm pretty sure it's easier to defeat the 2FA at my (major) bank than to try to hide a few hundred millions in crypto through tumblers.
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    That may be, but if someone defeats the 2FA on my bank account they still need to transfer the money out to somewhere, and that will leave a trail far more obvious than any tumbler. It's also not a quick process. If they're adding a new account and immediately transferring large amounts out to it my bank is going to have questions.
     
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  • #59
    hillspuck said:
    If there's anything in the article that left me wanting to know more, it's
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    Same here. For instance, during those 3 weeks the guy was held did the butlers provide their services to both the abductors and their "guest"? Were the butlers obligated legally to call the police or is there a conflict of interest provision of not needing to rat on their bosses, to avoid getting fired? And could they be considered complicit for not calling the cops?
     
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    Korios said:
    Same here. For instance, during those 3 weeks the guy was held did the butlers provide their services to both the abductors and their "guest"? Were the butlers obligated legally to call the police or is there a conflict of interest provision of not needing to rat on their bosses, to avoid getting fired? And could they be considered complicit for not calling the cops?
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    Around these parts, when you see a criminal act underway (shooting, robbery, etc..) or you're witness to an accident (car crash, others) or something like that, by law you are obliged to report this to the authorities.
    The "we didn't know" defense, doesn't work. (Especially when it can be proven that you knew these things were going on).
    Neither is your employer permitted to have you undertake or watch any unlawfull actions, during your worktime.
    You're an accomplice to whatever crime is happening at that time, from the moment you witnessed it.
     
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    s73v3r said:
    That is the absolute dumbest fucking take on the subject possible. Tell me, how do you expect to get things like stopping meatpackers from putting sawdust in sausage without regulation? How do you expect to get companies to stop dumping pollution in the water supply without regulation?

    This wild libertarian idea that, because there are some terrible people who break the law, that the law is useless is astonishing.
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    I think the point is that you need both regulation and enforcement of regulation. Without enforcement, regulation is just words on a piece of paper (or on a computer screen)
     
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    I'm curious what the story is behind the (apparent, not impossible that 'investor' is the explanation for other, more successful, irregular acquisitions) sharp change of course from very white collar and relatively low legal exposure probably-should-be-crime like crypto hedge funds and grifting Kentucky about blockchain to just outright kidnapping and torturing a guy.

    It's not as though I'd expect them to be too decent for it; just that the amount of legal risk involved in blue collar violent crime is normally way higher than that of a few speculative financial shenanigans, which makes doing the financial shenanigans significantly preferable to risking a violent felony record.

    Was this the sort of 'falling out over money' where it's really, really personal? Did someone's heavily leveraged house of cards need a quick injection of liquidity really, really, badly? Just plain hubris or risk-insensitivity?
     
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    Damnicus said:
    Seriously, what it the point of this? The water has absolutely no effect unless it is providing some sort of path to ground, such as via plumbing in a bathtub.
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    Offhand, I doubt that his torturers were aware this wouldn't do any good. They don't strike me as particularly aware of how most things work, including electrical currents.
     
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  • #73
    scrimbul said:
    Where are Ars' right wing crypto shills to argue this would have happened anyway with fiat currencies?

    There's a lot of pro-crypto commenters who have a lot of fucking explaining to do that can't be called out by username.
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    It appears they’re commenting, but I’ve blocked these guys long ago for various reasons, and I didn’t initially see them.
     
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    AI is cool i guess said:
    yeah, those aren't the exact words i used.

    two things can be true: (1) wrench attacks are vile and (2) watching bitcoin punch through new ATHs does strange things to the psyche of people who predicted oblivion since 2013 (i'm speaking from experience here) the ‘no-regulation!’ refrain feels less like public-safety advocacy and more like a consolation prize.

    celebrating a wrench attack because “rich crypto bros had it coming” (there was a lot of this being posted in the previous article about this) is the same moral logic as blaming someone’s wardrobe for assault. violence isn’t righteous just because the target holds a private key. condemn the crime, improve the ops-sec conversation, but skip the schadenfreude, otherwise you’re just cheering bruises, not better policy.
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    There's a couple of distinct differences here: There aren't good, honest reasons to be involved in cryptocurrencies. There're bad reasons that make you a mark get you fucked, and dishonest reasons that get you rich while others get fucked.

    These people who are being attacked, they're not being attacked for expressing themselves or engaging in inalienable human rights; they're being attacked because they got filthy stinking rich with a method that's necessarily a zero-sum game. The most charitable, benefit-of-the-doubt interpretation of their actions and positions are that they're lucky and too stupid to realize their wealth came at the cost of environmental damage and providing money-moving logistics for serious criminal enterprises.

    The only way to make big money from crypto without being a massive piece of shit is if you nonviolently hack or steal a wallet and immediately sell its contents. People who know how this shit works regard Carturan as a bad actor, someone who's actions should be illegal, and offer him the same respect as any other malicious criminal in the financial sector. This 'wrench attack' isn't justice, but neither is his freedom to walk the Earth as a free man with his ill-gotten gains.
     
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  • #77
    Sylmeria said:
    Incidentally, torture doesn't work for extracting information. Not that I'd expect a bunch of idiot crypturds to know things that people have known for only 400 years.
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    Every time I've heard that, all the examples and reasoning talk about cases where the torturer couldn't tell when the victim was telling the truth. So the victim, who is willing to say anything to stop the torture, learns that the truth won't stop it and/or lies will.

    Things might be different when whatever the torture victim says can be quickly checked.
     
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    There's a couple of distinct differences here: There aren't good, honest reasons to be involved in cryptocurrencies. There're bad reasons that make you a mark get you fucked, and dishonest reasons that get you rich while others get fucked.
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    "well, she was practically begging for it, the way she was dressed"

    just admit you’ve got zero argument and rely on victim-blaming instead.
     
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