Florida’s new surgeon general skeptical of vaccines, opposes masks

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... i fully expect within months of them getting through their "technical difficulties" they'll run out of the money they've set aside for the bounties, in part to troll reports, and basically be forced to repeal it.
This is the part where they instead double down and creates new tax to pay for it.
"Don't you think saving the unborn from evil abortion is worth a few pennies a day (every day, in perpetuity, subject to increase as needed, or because the legislature or the governor really really wanted to) ?"
 
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Fiction has to have a semblance of a plot, some type of plan, or at least interesting characters to be believed.
Humanity creates a reality that would be deemed farcical and slightly funny, if it weren't also true.

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The Key & Peele "Aren't I a stinker" skit agrees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B46km4V0CMY
 
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“Joe Rogan talked about it and he’s a regular guy. Also there was an official looking website and I had to pay for a consultation that recommended this miracle cure that Big Pharma is trying to suppress so it is obviously real. I’m not going to let these pharmaceutical companies going to scam me out of my money, thank you. I’ll pay this obviously genuine doctor for some pills instead. Gotta get up a lot earlier to outsmart me.”
"Three Sheets Dutong was not born yesterday--or the day before that! "
 
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i suspect most bigger businesses in Florida will install mandates for their employees if they haven't already.
Hasn't Florida already BANNED mandates for schools? Not sure if companies are included in that ban, but wouldn't surprise me if they are also similarly banned from requiring masks / vaccinations.
Companies in Florida can require their employees get vaccinated. (See Disney, et al.)

Companies, per new (currently being contested in court) Florida laws, cannot require customers be vaccinated.
 
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And, in related news, DeSantis has just doubled-down on the stupid by issuing an order that forces schools to allow children who have been exposed to the coronavirus but aren't yet showing symptoms to attend classes.

For those of you who wonder why this matters, may I introduce Typhoid Mary?

"symptom based approach" :facepalm:


"The kid isn't firing that quite possibly loaded AK-47 right now, so let him wander around the school with it until random other students start getting shot." :rolleyes:

"Sure, that's not a safe way to store gasoline -- but let's not take appropriate measures until we've had an actual fire or two -- and a 'No Smoking' policy would just be oppressive government over-reach." :rolleyes:

"It's okay; 'STOP' signs, speed limits and cross-walks are really just 'expert' recommendations -- they aren't really necessary and they don't actually make people meaningfully safer... besides, no one's actually been injured in that particular intersection yet, and obeying traffic signals is just so inconvenient." :rolleyes:
 
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And it immediately got worse:

Florida Students Are No Longer Required To Quarantine After Being Exposed To COVID

So many teachers have died needlessly. This is a deliberate attempt to weaken the public school system and ultimately replace it with parochial, private or for profit schools. It is depraved and disgusting and in a just world, these people should rot in jail.
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In terms of quarantine rules, Ladapo eliminated previous mandates requiring students to quarantine for at least four days off-campus if they've been exposed. Under the new guidelines, students who have been exposed can continue going to campus, "without restrictions or disparate treatment," provided they are asymptomatic. They can also quarantine, but no longer than seven days, provided they do not get sick.
It's a good thing asymptomatic covid patients aren't contagious.


OH WAIT.



To the guy earlier in the thread who mocked the idea that the rest of us could be smarter than this doctor? We rest our case.
 
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Of course, vaccines work and vaccinated people are much less likely to be hospitalized. But there are two different objectives and both your response and the Ars article conflate them:

(1) reduce transmission, prevent more cases
(2) reduce the severity of cases, prevent hospitalizations/deaths

Vaccines clearly help with (2), but they're unlikely to prevent someone from getting infected in the long run. So as an individual who is vaccinated, it's very likely not worth passing on activities to avoid infection: it's just delaying the inevitable. For a public health official to say this is just being upfront with people. You'll hear the same in much of Europe, the UK, or Israel. Herd immunity and containment are out of the picture.

You know, there was this article here about how people who are unvaccinated are five times more likely to catch covid. If that article is true (and the data says it is) then the vaccine must necessarily reduce transmission. After all, without the vaccine, four more people would have caught the disease and had the opportunity to spread it. You know, because vaccines *actually do prevent transmission quite frequently*.
 
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Meanwhile, in Vermont, the Delta wave is barely a ripple. They sure must eat their vegetables there!
It's well known maple syrup offers protection from many kinds of virus.

Though the key is to snort the syrup, after swallowing a zinc supplement. It does no good if you swallow it.

I heard that Starbucks Pumpkin Spice syrup protects you from COVID, bit you need to administer it rectally.
I thought that was how most people took it already.
 
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So, they have decided to give up on 5-10% of their population. Sadly, herd immunity may be a pipedream, based on the Spanish Study of antibodies
i suspect most bigger businesses in Florida will install mandates for their employees if they haven't already.

Hasn't Florida already BANNED mandates for schools? Not sure if companies are included in that ban, but wouldn't surprise me if they are also similarly banned from requiring masks / vaccinations.
only by executive order threatening superintendent pay, which is legally tenuous at best and some simply are ignoring it

Oh, sure, it may be illegal - but when has that stopped GQPers? Heck, I could see them introduce a TX-like law - you get to sue any business that even ASKS anyone to put on a mask..
it means its unenforceable, as for the TX law, i actually doubt that, they are already seeing backlash from both sides of the aisle on that, too encompassing, and the issue of "intent" i fully expect within months of them getting through their "technical difficulties" they'll run out of the money they've set aside for the bounties, in part to troll reports, and basically be forced to repeal it.

Huh? What bounties? They're suing the people involved for the $$, the state isn't providing them. That's the "evil genius" of the law - it's self-funding.
 
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Meanwhile, in Vermont, the Delta wave is barely a ripple. They sure must eat their vegetables there!
It's well known maple syrup offers protection from many kinds of virus.

Though the key is to snort the syrup, after swallowing a zinc supplement. It does no good if you swallow it.

I heard that Starbucks Pumpkin Spice syrup protects you from COVID, bit you need to administer it rectally.
I thought that was how most people took it already.

Well, buying coffee at Starbucks for $6 does kinda feel like taking it in the ass...
 
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In lighter news, two people in New Mexico have died after ODing on horse paste.

...

I'm ok with this.

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I'm still ok with this.

No one else was hurt. No ICU bed was taken up. No ambulance drivers were diverted. No health care workers were exposed to more viruses. They won't expose anyone in the future to their terrible decisions. They made a choice to commit suicide, and they did it in a way that didn't disturb anyone else.

And that horse paste is in enough supply that the horses will be fine too.

Y'all have at it.
 
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In lighter news, two people in New Mexico have died after ODing on horse paste.

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I'm ok with this.

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I'm still ok with this.

No one else was hurt. No ICU bed was taken up. No ambulance drivers were diverted. No health care workers were exposed to more viruses. They won't expose anyone in the future to their terrible decisions. They made a choice to commit suicide, and they did it in a way that didn't disturb anyone else.

And that horse paste is in enough supply that the horses will be fine too.

Y'all have at it.

They didn't choose to commit suicide though. They effectively did, but that wasn't their choice. Their choice was to apply treatment to themselves. They were just misled into believing that the wrong thing would treat them. Not suicide, murder by misinformation.
 
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Taking bets on how long until enough of the old red voter base dies that florida somehow turns into a blue state 🤔

Right now Republicans are playing a proverbial game of chicken hoping they can win one more election before too many of their base are killed by their base-ginning-up bullshit.

It's why they are getting even more crazy and not less.

One more Election cycle like 2018 and 2020, and a lot of these States won't have enough right-wing base left to hold majorities EVEN WITH gerrymandering/suppression.

Never forget, for all the press they get, gerrymandering and voter suppression can't suppress blowout elections, etc.
 
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In lighter news, two people in New Mexico have died after ODing on horse paste.

...

I'm ok with this.

...

I'm still ok with this.

No one else was hurt. No ICU bed was taken up. No ambulance drivers were diverted. No health care workers were exposed to more viruses. They won't expose anyone in the future to their terrible decisions. They made a choice to commit suicide, and they did it in a way that didn't disturb anyone else.

And that horse paste is in enough supply that the horses will be fine too.

Y'all have at it.
If they had made a choice to commit suicide, then I would have partly agreed with you, though to commit suicide that way seems terrible. Not that there are good ways, but I think that people should be helped if they are that ill, even if that illness is that they want to kill themselves.

But they did not make a choice to commit suicide. They were misinformed about the COVID-19 vaccines and they were misinformed about the use of ivermectin. And I don't think it's at all OK that such misinformation is allowed to be spread, because clearly it injures and even kills people.

I'm not advocating some baby-state, but I do think that we should try to curtail the "power at the cost of anything" philosophy that quite a few people already in power seem to have. Liberalism doesn't mean "I take my freedom at the cost of anything", it means "we all work towards more freedom for everyone". And that's not socialism, that's trying to be a nice person instead of a complete asshole. And I understand that complete assholes really don't care that they are complete assholes, as long as they have power, but all we can do is work hard and stay optimistic, because the alternative is more or less the Middle Ages.
 
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In lighter news, two people in New Mexico have died after ODing on horse paste.

...

I'm ok with this.

...

I'm still ok with this.

No one else was hurt. No ICU bed was taken up. No ambulance drivers were diverted. No health care workers were exposed to more viruses. They won't expose anyone in the future to their terrible decisions. They made a choice to commit suicide, and they did it in a way that didn't disturb anyone else.

And that horse paste is in enough supply that the horses will be fine too.

Y'all have at it.

Yeah, I'm never going to be okay when the deluded members of a cult kill themselves. Especially when they've been convinced that they are not killing themselves, but are doing something that will make them stronger/healthier/whatever.
 
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In lighter news, two people in New Mexico have died after ODing on horse paste.

...

I'm ok with this.

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I'm still ok with this.

No one else was hurt. No ICU bed was taken up. No ambulance drivers were diverted. No health care workers were exposed to more viruses. They won't expose anyone in the future to their terrible decisions. They made a choice to commit suicide, and they did it in a way that didn't disturb anyone else.

And that horse paste is in enough supply that the horses will be fine too.

Y'all have at it.
They used ICU beds. They got to the hospital likely by ambulance. One of them caught COVID and exposed their treatment team. They almost certainly advocated among their peers the same insanity. And veterinary supply stores are running out of horse paste.

Apart from that, you got some of the facts right I guess? 2 out of 10.
 
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tonylurker

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241 per 100k vs. the US average of 203. Massachusetts is at 268, but doesn't seem to get any flack. And as always, you don't call the score until the game is over.

After glancing at the daily horror that is the Covid case and death counts this morning, I felt compelled to point out that only a day after this post, Florida's count has risen to 247 per 100k while Massachusetts is only up to 269 per 100k. (Forida's numbers come out rather sporadically)
 
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KGFish

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In lighter news, two people in New Mexico have died after ODing on horse paste.

...

I'm ok with this.

...

I'm still ok with this.

No one else was hurt. No ICU bed was taken up. No ambulance drivers were diverted. No health care workers were exposed to more viruses. They won't expose anyone in the future to their terrible decisions. They made a choice to commit suicide, and they did it in a way that didn't disturb anyone else.

And that horse paste is in enough supply that the horses will be fine too.

Y'all have at it.
They used ICU beds. They got to the hospital likely by ambulance. One of them caught COVID and exposed their treatment team. They almost certainly advocated among their peers the same insanity. And veterinary supply stores are running out of horse paste.

Apart from that, you got some of the facts right I guess? 2 out of 10.

Just reread the article. Nowhere did it say that they were treated at a hospital for Ivermectin overdose. Nor did it say that they were treated at a hospital for Covid. If they were in a hospital for Covid, it would actually have been difficult for them to overdose on Ivermectin - general protocol is basically to not let anyone in with them.

As for feed stores running out of supply, yes - however, most horse people I know already have supplies, and the empty shelves are mostly because the feed stores aren't used to regularly restocking Ivermectin. So far, I haven't heard of any horses going without Ivermectin.

It's quite possible these people did go to a hospital, but that information wasn't in this article. If you have other information, I'm all ears. That would certainly change my position.
 
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Florida state senator Manny Diaz wants to put ALL vaccine requirements on the hot seat.
Measles? Why should we force our children to be vaccinated against one of the most contagious diseases known to man?

It “gets more complicated,” Diaz said of striking a balance between individuals’ and employers’ rights.

No, Diaz you jerkwad. YOU made it complicated and then turned it into a dog whistle.
Please do the world a big favor and go french kiss a loaded 12 gauge.
 
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KGFish

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In lighter news, two people in New Mexico have died after ODing on horse paste.

...

I'm ok with this.

...

I'm still ok with this.

No one else was hurt. No ICU bed was taken up. No ambulance drivers were diverted. No health care workers were exposed to more viruses. They won't expose anyone in the future to their terrible decisions. They made a choice to commit suicide, and they did it in a way that didn't disturb anyone else.

And that horse paste is in enough supply that the horses will be fine too.

Y'all have at it.
If they had made a choice to commit suicide, then I would have partly agreed with you, though to commit suicide that way seems terrible. Not that there are good ways, but I think that people should be helped if they are that ill, even if that illness is that they want to kill themselves.

But they did not make a choice to commit suicide. They were misinformed about the COVID-19 vaccines and they were misinformed about the use of ivermectin. And I don't think it's at all OK that such misinformation is allowed to be spread, because clearly it injures and even kills people.

I'm not advocating some baby-state, but I do think that we should try to curtail the "power at the cost of anything" philosophy that quite a few people already in power seem to have. Liberalism doesn't mean "I take my freedom at the cost of anything", it means "we all work towards more freedom for everyone". And that's not socialism, that's trying to be a nice person instead of a complete asshole. And I understand that complete assholes really don't care that they are complete assholes, as long as they have power, but all we can do is work hard and stay optimistic, because the alternative is more or less the Middle Ages.

Look, I used to think that way as well. Then these people basically behaved not just like assholes, but like murdering assholes.

If members of a death cult who are trying very hard to kill me and my family suddenly are killing themselves... I find it very hard to care.

Are they also trying to snare more people with their disinformation? Sure. Does that worry me? Sure. Do I want that to stop, and do I do my best to combat that disinformation where I see it? Sure. Am I gonna lose sleep over these same people killing themselves?

Let me check again how I feel about that.

...

Nope, still ok with it.
 
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In lighter news, two people in New Mexico have died after ODing on horse paste.

...

I'm ok with this.

...

I'm still ok with this.

No one else was hurt. No ICU bed was taken up. No ambulance drivers were diverted. No health care workers were exposed to more viruses. They won't expose anyone in the future to their terrible decisions. They made a choice to commit suicide, and they did it in a way that didn't disturb anyone else.

And that horse paste is in enough supply that the horses will be fine too.

Y'all have at it.
If they had made a choice to commit suicide, then I would have partly agreed with you, though to commit suicide that way seems terrible. Not that there are good ways, but I think that people should be helped if they are that ill, even if that illness is that they want to kill themselves.

But they did not make a choice to commit suicide. They were misinformed about the COVID-19 vaccines and they were misinformed about the use of ivermectin. And I don't think it's at all OK that such misinformation is allowed to be spread, because clearly it injures and even kills people.

I'm not advocating some baby-state, but I do think that we should try to curtail the "power at the cost of anything" philosophy that quite a few people already in power seem to have. Liberalism doesn't mean "I take my freedom at the cost of anything", it means "we all work towards more freedom for everyone". And that's not socialism, that's trying to be a nice person instead of a complete asshole. And I understand that complete assholes really don't care that they are complete assholes, as long as they have power, but all we can do is work hard and stay optimistic, because the alternative is more or less the Middle Ages.

Replace any of the above with driving drunk, or even reckless driving/ignoring traffic regulations, or replace it with basic restaurant kitchen hygiene and food storage, or any number of other behaviours in which personal choice uber alles, personal "judgment" uber alles, &/or compulsive opposition syndrome, and "to hell with what the expert community says I did my own research" leads to predictably disastrous results, and see how quickly this argument falls flat.

These people are making a choice, just as the guy who decides that drunk driving rules are an unreasonable imposition against personal responsibility (or just inconvenient), or the restaurateur who decides the food-keeping regulations are unrealistic (or just wasting money), are making choices for which they are responsible.

They may not be intending to commit suicide, and perhaps not intending to risk the lives and well-being of innocent bystanders through those choices, but they are choosing, and they are responsible for those choices and the likely, predictable, predicted consequences.
 
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"natural phenomena can't grow exponentially"

That's the latest hill the death cult wants to die on?

I mean.....

Don't you have some Ivermectin to take? Prophilactally? Via suppository? That way you can take the entire tube at once without gagging on the taste.

Just make sure to stay at home and don't go to the hospital. They're all medically incompetent there, clearly. Youtube has all the answers.

Is this working? I hear reverse psychology is all the rage now.
 
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Great news to hear that they've appointed a grown up, especially as it seems to have wound up many of the top comment posters. Given the scientific illiteracy of much of the scientific establishment it's no wonder the world is full of people who've failed Maths and believe that a natural phenomena can grow exponentially. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1lyggPhWOM

Holy shit.

" believe that a natural phenomena can grow exponentially. "

How. Just how? Are you that dumb?
 
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