X apparently added 5-second delay for links to sites Musk doesn’t like

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I honestly wonder how many websites were actually put into that little “timeout”. We know a lot of the big ones, but there may be more that just weren’t tested. Then again, the thought has crossed my mind that there was some insider info being given out about this. As for the actual impact of this in however many sites were affected, if anyone thinks it’s not a big deal, Google estimates that pages that a website that takes even three seconds to load lose 53% of views. This was 5 seconds before the page even started loading. That’s obviously going to do some harm, and there’s no indication that it isn’t the site causing the problem (which is the point).

There was some more technical discussion in the Lounge thread on this topics, but it revolved around the issue being one with Twitter checking if you have cookies (if you clicked on a link a second time, it loaded immediately). But the delay didn’t hit all sites, and the sites affected were…very specific and VERY different scales (NY Times vs Mastadon).

There’s also this, from the WaPo journalist who broke the story, showing a timeline of the delay (this was shared via Bluesky posts)

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Any generic explanation of this being a normal configuration thing looking for cookies goes out the window for me when I see it be this consistent and then experience a rapid decline when the news breaks. I don’t think there’s much shot of this being an accident.
I wonder if mobile/desktop played a part?

I was quite sure the issue was Twitter, because the funky lag seemed to be (based on the URL bar) some kind of problem with the Twitter tiny-URL/redirect-tracking middle page. Which once I worked out, I started spending more time on the other sites directly vs trying to link to them, avoiding the "buggy, laggy, unreliable" Twitter site.
 
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The eventual autopsy/biography of this debacle should be titled How to abuse your userbase and destroy a platform in 10 easy steps

What a petty small little man Melon Mush is. He's revealed himself to be a cruel, vindictive, selfish, egotistical, manipulative, dishonest charlatan
You should include "mediocre" (of mind, and more broadly) in there. Otherwise the description leaves too much room for the widespread lie that he's "smart."
 
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Generally I downvote ad hominem attacks on Mr. Musk on the principle that name calling doesn’t forward the discussion.

But shit. This is really fucking puerile.
Did you miss the previous 150 toxic dictator things? You're still doing this Hall Monitor routine even though Elon Musk is clearly so bad that random name-calling in comments stand as informative correct descriptive propositions?

Also if you read the article you'll see that puerile is a misleading understatement: this is a deliberate attack on website traffic, since a delay of even 3 seconds can cut visitors by 50%. It's like saying someone cutting of a food supply line deliberately to stop the food going where it's needed somewhere is "puerile." That's a harmful deliberate attack, that's not just man baby pooping his pants. At this point calling it childish seems like a deflection.
 
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Except, of course, content that is only posted to Twitter. Of which there is an obnoxious amount.

Part of this is that there simply is no replacement. Bluesky's response to all of this Twitter drama was to drastically reduce the rate at which they gave out invites. Threads is still as useless as it was when it launched. Turns out the "followers only" view - the only change since launch - doesn't show you everything from people you follow, it's still algorithmic in some way and only shows you some of what people you follow post. There's no trending tab, so there's no way to see "social" conversations, so there's no real way to grow your network of people. You're just left with an algorithmic feed of posts from people you don't know. Most people who tried Threads have already given up on it.

Which means that you're left with groups where the only way to know what they're up to is to follow what they post on what used to be called Twitter. There's just nothing out there that replaces it yet.

But my whole argument was "Why do you need Twitter in the first place".

I get that Twitter has an incredible algorithm, one that takes long time to mature. My point wasn't "Twitter alternatives" it was "make social media less impactful on your life, to the point of no longer needing it".

While everything you said, I don't disagree with, there isn't anything quite like Twitter, and that's why many haven't left despite it being X now... I'm more saying "Make social media less of an impact on your life, to the point where you can easily leave it go". That's what I did, slowly but surely, I started weaning myself off Twitter, and now had the opportunity to just let it go.
 
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August 4 is the same day that Musk called the NYT a "racial genocide apologist." That was in reply to a video of Julius Malema, leader of the South African Economic Freedom Fighters party, saying, "We've not called for the killing of white people, at least for now. I can't guarantee the future."

That Malema statement was apparently made in an interview in 2018. Two days before Musk's "racial genocide apologist" tweet, the NYT wrote an article describing a new controversy over a rally at which Malema chanted "kill the Boer," in reference to white farmers.

The NYT's August 2 article quoted a Musk tweet that said, "They are openly pushing for genocide of white people in South Africa." The article also quoted people who said the chant "should not be taken as a literal call to violence."
Musk actually has a point here.
 
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But my whole argument was "Why do you need Twitter in the first place".

I get that Twitter has an incredible algorithm, one that takes long time to mature. My point wasn't "Twitter alternatives" it was "make social media less impactful on your life, to the point of no longer needing it".

While everything you said, I don't disagree with, there isn't anything quite like Twitter, and that's why many haven't left despite it being X now... I'm more saying "Make social media less of an impact on your life, to the point where you can easily leave it go". That's what I did, slowly but surely, I started weaning myself off Twitter, and now had the opportunity to just let it go.

I mean, forums like this one (and others not owned by big media corporations) are social media, and were that before Facebook and all that. Usenet newsgroups before that (ah the early 1990s) and BBSs before those. Now I get that "social media" as we currently understand it means "some rando on the other side of the world will like your post" but hey, we have likes here now, although the audience is clearly much smaller.
 
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But my whole argument was "Why do you need Twitter in the first place".

I get that Twitter has an incredible algorithm, one that takes long time to mature. My point wasn't "Twitter alternatives" it was "make social media less impactful on your life, to the point of no longer needing it".

While everything you said, I don't disagree with, there isn't anything quite like Twitter, and that's why many haven't left despite it being X now... I'm more saying "Make social media less of an impact on your life, to the point where you can easily leave it go". That's what I did, slowly but surely, I started weaning myself off Twitter, and now had the opportunity to just let it go.
People seem to be looking at "using Twitter" from the viewpoint of "posting on Twitter" but the majority of Twitter users rarely if ever post.

Most of what people "still using Twitter" are doing is consuming content. And if the people you want to follow are only posting to Twitter, then, well, you need to be on Twitter. Although that's only a part of things. It's also things like:
  • Groups running Twitter polls to decide things. Want to vote in their poll? Get a Twitter account. (Think more like community groups deciding which restaurant to go to rather than anything really important.)
  • Businesses/towns/officials only posting updates to Twitter. An annoying number of places only post things like "we're closed today" or "such and so street will be closed" on social media, despite having their own websites. "Social media" in this case generally means "Twitter and Facebook" and Facebook's algorithm guarantees you'll never see it until it's too late, so that leaves Twitter.
It's one thing to say you'll stop posting to Twitter, but it's not helpful if the content you want to see is still on Twitter and only on Twitter.

Now Musk is doing everything he can to get that content off Twitter. Things like breaking APIs used to post weather alerts and threatening brands are making it clear that Twitter/X is not going to be a solution at some point in the future. But the problem is that there's nowhere for that stuff to go. So... Twitter/X it is.
 
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Musk actually has a point here.
No, he does not. He called the NYT a "racial genocide apologist." That makes him, once again, full of shit. Only the most racist of assholes would even consider the idea that anyone is pushing for genocide in South Africa, or that anyone is pushing for genocide of white people.
 
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No, he does not. He called the NYT a "racial genocide apologist." That makes him, once again, full of shit. Only the most racist of assholes would even consider the idea that anyone is pushing for genocide in South Africa, or that anyone is pushing for genocide of white people.
"Kill the Boer" doesn't sound like genocide to you?
 
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August 4 is the same day that Musk called the NYT a "racial genocide apologist." That was in reply to a video of Julius Malema, leader of the South African Economic Freedom Fighters party, saying, "We've not called for the killing of white people, at least for now. I can't guarantee the future."

How can a white, apartheid, billionaire even say such a thing?! It's mind boggling. But, I mean, it's not like hypocrisy is unknown from his ideological camp...
 
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It was fun and cute, until we found out how Elon views women.
Nah. It was infantile and puerile back when it was first proposed. At the time it was tolerable because we didn't know that context, but it was infantile and puerile regardless. It just became significantly less tolerable when we found out that context.
 
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The guy is more than a petulant child. He’s part of the conspiracy. Recall that the Xitter CEO has been held in contempt for ignoring and delaying the response to a Jan 2023 Jack Smith subpoena for Trump's DMs around the Jan 6 insurrection. During that 12 day delay, Xusk visited Jim Jordan and McCarthy twice. Geez I wonder why? Did Trump have insurrection planning DMs with those sycophants? Those two were among the only 21 Twitter profiles Trump followed. Musk warned them? Covered for them by deleting DMs?
 
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Has anybody considered (or try to prove or disprove) that large news websites may have thousands of URLs stored in the t.co database and therefore due to database glitches (or design) may lead to delayed clicks?

Due to firing people, the databases may have technical issues, which could explain why on different days, the delay seems different for each publication.

Is there any proof that this is just Elon being a dick? Is there any proof that this is not a technical issue?

My comment wil probably be downvoted like anything that isn't Elon bashing, but please can someone clarify?
 
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Has anybody considered (or try to prove or disprove) that large news websites may have thousands of URLs stored in the t.co database and therefore due to database glitches (or design, or bad maintenance) may lead to delayed clicks?

The databases may have technical issues, which could explain why on different days, the delay seems different for each publication.

Is there any proof that this is just Elon being a dick? Is there any proof that this is not a technical issue?

My comment wil probably be downvoted like anything that isn't Elon bashing, but please can someone clarify?
First of all, Twitter made no claims like that. My rule with companies that refuse to explain why they do some dodgy thing is that they don't want to admit to the real reason. Because they are making the choice to stay quiet and I don't like giving them the benefit of the doubt that comes with people assuming an innocent explanation.

Also we have to consider that the sites being hit with this delay are all sites that Elon doesn't like. Which fits with his pattern of trying to supress anyone saying things he doesn't like.

Unless you can point to sites that Elon likes which are also being throttled.
 
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Is there any proof that this is just Elon being a dick? Is there any proof that this is not a technical issue?
The delays were of a consistent time (5s) and applied to consistent and highly specific targets.

And seriously, this is a simple database table we're talking about here - if it's significantly more complicated than 'Full link', 'Shortened link' and maybe some originator data I'd be surprised - and indexing is not exactly recent tech.

It might have been an innocent glitch, but I highly doubt it.
 
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The delays were of a consistent time (5s) and applied to consistent and highly specific targets.

And seriously, this is a simple database table we're talking about here - if it's significantly more complicated than 'Full link', 'Shortened link' and maybe some originator data I'd be surprised - and indexing is not exactly recent tech.

It might have been an innocent glitch, but I highly doubt it.
Plus you'd only ever be querying them by the shortened link, what it is targeting is irrelevant. So if all shortened links were slow to resolve, it looks like a bug, if links to specific sites are slow, it looks targeted.
 
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Never thought it would be possible that I would despise someone more than I despise Trump.
Musk is a noisy, petty, spiteful brat.

Trump has a far greater capability to bring about an actual fascist dictatorship (in all but name) in America if he gets elected. And if he does get elected, that's it for democracy in America for quite some time, because the current crop of high-rank Republicans are not going to relinquish power if they get hold of it.

I'm not big on the whole 'hate' thing, but I think Trump is a valid person to hate.
 
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Musk is a noisy, petty, spiteful brat.

Trump has a far greater capability to bring about an actual fascist dictatorship (in all but name) in America if he gets elected. And if he does get elected, that's it for democracy in America for quite some time, because the current crop of high-rank Republicans are not going to relinquish power if they get hold of it.

I'm not big on the whole 'hate' thing, but I think Trump is a valid person to hate.

I feel like Trump is exchangable. Right-wing America was ready to embrace anyone to defeat those libs and take the next escalating step in the evolving culture war.

Musk on the other hand has assets, money, power and is not dumb as a rock.
 
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Musk on the other hand has assets, money, power and is not dumb as a rock.
Does he really have power? In certain limited ways, maybe. The most influence he has is Twitter, and while that's not insignificant, it's a dying platform.

Trump, on the other hand, is a cult leader with a frighteningly devoted following - just see Jan 6 for an example of that.

Musk is spiteful and can certainly make certain communities' lives significantly harder and more unpleasant by riling up hate against them, but Trump can literally destroy democracy.
 
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Does anybody know if any platform which enables "direct" sharing to other platforms has started using the X logo?
Amazon have:

Amazon X.jpg
 
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