X apparently added 5-second delay for links to sites Musk doesn’t like

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Mechjaz

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With car names of S, 3, X, and Y, are you certain in your belief that Musk didn’t have a say in the names?
Ugh, I regret to admit that it was fun and tongue-in-cheek at the time. Why not?? Amidst a sea of Corollas and Explorers and Tahoes, it was back when Tesla seemed exciting. It would still be cute, at least, if Musk wasn't such a weapons-grade fuckup. (Note that cute isn't necessarily smart or mature, but we've degraded to the state such that the poop emoji is now in several legal documents. At this point, I'd take S, 3, X, Y as the lowest common denominator of humor, but the common denominator just keeps getting lower and lower.)
 
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These sorts of things hint at what an Elon (or people he supports) would act like in government.
No integrity, no honesty and in many regards, no real sense of community.

Certainly not true supporter of anything like a truly free and equitable democracy.

Elon is, in essence, doing these destructive things to himself - imagine what he'd do to you.
In other words, conservatives.
 
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adpenner@tpn

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Exactly! The idea isn’t to please people. It’s to be the center of attention. That attention is what keeps them relevant.

There is a conundrum. If we all continue to read and comment and engage with content related to Musk, he will continue to be relevant and so will his social media platform. But it’s too financially risky for the media to ignore it. So it’s on the readers to stop engaging. That won’t happen. It’s a catch 22 and Musk knows it and he takes advantage of it.
As much as we'd all like to believe Musk is actually Tinkerbell, and he'd simply fade away to nothing if only we just stopped paying attention to him, that's not the way life works.
 
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I have been inactive for many months on Twitter beyond reading the occasional news article making references that linking to it but no more. Its transition to X means Musk has completed its speedrun into turning it completely into a flaming landfill, I'm out for good. Its officially an even worse cesspool than it was before Musk. Too Nazi and racist friendly for anyone sane to keep using it on good conscience.
 
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Ugh, I regret to admit that it was fun and tongue-in-cheek at the time. Why not?? Amidst a sea of Corollas and Explorers and Tahoes, it was back when Tesla seemed exciting. It would still be cute, at least, if Musk wasn't such a weapons-grade fuckup. (Note that cute isn't necessarily smart or mature, but we've degraded to the state such that the poop emoji is now in several legal documents. At this point, I'd take S, 3, X, Y as the lowest common denominator of humor, but the common denominator just keeps getting lower and lower.)
It was fun and cute, until we found out how Elon views women.
 
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I like the part where you insulted my intelligence and then acted aggrieved when I responded sarcastically, and wrote a get-the-last-word-in post to act like you were trying to end the conversation when you could have ended it by, you know, just not saying more stuff.

Take it sleazy.
I don't have a dog in this fight but isn't those post basically just that?
 
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For someone who also reads mandarin and Japanese part of the web, I can assure you that everyone still uses the word Twitter, possible for a very very long time.

The main problem remains that when trying to say the action, tweet rolls off the tongue in those languages, and X is hard to say. Without an easily pronounceable verb, Twitter will continue to be Twitter.
While I have not confirmed this with a professional marketer, as a Japanese native speaker I am fairly sure that one of the reasons why Xbox has never been more than an abject failure in Japan was because ekkusu bokkusu just doesn’t roll off the tongue smoothly in Japanese. Compare and contrast with Playstation, which is colloquially abbreviated by Japanese users to an easily pronounced and memorable puresute. Which one do you think sounds more approachable to the typical non-English-literate Japanese parents: ekkusu bokkusu shiriizu ekkusu or puresute faibu?

Now, it would be unreasonable to expect Musk to know about such gotchas in multilingual branding. But it is reasonable to expect him to ask his marketing people in various countries to see if there is a problem with ”X.”
 
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That’s funny. Never heard of that. I’d pronounce it as “Ecks”.

Now I can’t say that about NZ’ers. They do weird things with vowels.
Ah, yes. The Australian accent. Of course here in Australia we say (and hear) 'Ecks', but the pretty much the rest of the world hears an Australian say 'Icks'. New Zealanders are just more extreme.

True story: while staying in a youth hostel in Chicago a few mates and I played cards with some German lads. The learned the English names of the cards from us, and we noticed they said 'Ice of Spides'. No, we said, it's 'Ace of Spades' Yah, they said, 'Ice of Spides'. Also the local Americans couldn't understand us when we asked for a 'Sprite', we had to pronounce it as 'Sprayte' to get the right drink.
 
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With car names of S, 3, X, and Y, are you certain in your belief that Musk didn’t have a say in the names?
He didn't have final say, and that was probably the compromise.

The part that's most fun about Musk's failures here is that he's not just destroying his reputation at Twitter, but retroactively undoing it for everything else he's been involved with. This behaviour isn't new, it's just that at his other companies he had people who were working to provide a buffer between him and the product. Literally people babysitting him and using distractions so that the actual engineering and marketing people could do their jobs. At Twitter, he has a live feed into the product, and the results are causing everyone to re-evaluate what they thought about him previously.

Those car model names are there because Musk is a childish idiot, but someone had to say to him "no, Elon, we can't literally call a car "sexy"". Then, the 3 is there because he thought through the strategy so poorly he didn't realise another manufacturer already had the trademark on Model E, but was so committed to the childish bit that he had to do it in a way that revealed it to everyone.
 
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This is so dumb and petty that despite knowing how dumb and petty he is it is still almost unbelievable that this was done on purpose rather than it being caused by some kind of coding screw up. Almost.


"Brand X" is literally the term for something generic that many of us old people grew up with. And by old people I mean people who are a few years younger than Musk like me.

It can't just be X and be meaningful. It needs to have a noun or something attached to it - like X-Windows or DrainX or the X-games. "X" by itself is just so meaningless as to kind of make you try to fill in the gaps yourself.

(Calling it X-social is actually my preferred one. Because it actually also serves as a description of how I use Twitter - I used to, but now I don't. And I'm honestly surprised he hasn't grabbed the domain name for x.social.)

If the update had actually been planned out and done all at once he could call it X.com and that would also be useful for news articles and such. But since x.com just forwards to twitter.com and everyone just uses twitter.com that doesn't even work.
 
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Yep. But this kind of behavior is making it clear that X is no longer a reliable partner for commercial interests. That means it's just helping people in the long run to conclude their money, time and trust are better spent elsewhere.

We're seeing a fast evolution into a repeat of Tumblr and MySpace trajectories. The only reason it's taking longer is because Twitter is falling from a greater height.
 
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Haven't been on twitter for a while but just noticed they have stopped labeling ads? Pretty sure that's not even legal in many countries ... ?
They're still labeled, but it's a lot less obvious:

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At this point I'm just waiting for how history is going to judge this. What a psychodrama we're all caught up in. When did it come to this - were worried about 5 second delays. Are we this small, really?
It has an actual effect. A lot of people expect a near-instant response to clicking on a link, and if nothing happens for a couple of seconds they abandon it.
 
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2. Their support network is there. There are a bunch of communities (mainly disabled people) who formed on Twitter and without it, they're cut off from being able to stay in touch with people who are going through the same things they are and can help with the struggles they're having. It takes a lot of work to rebuild a network once it's been broken. Sometimes the energy that would go into that work has already been bookmarked for survival.

There are probably others, and again none of this gives Twitter a pass, but there are still people who either can't leave or can't abandon their peer group.
These are the folks who are being harmed the most, because there is no doubt in my mind that if he had the power, Elon would have them--how shall I put this politely?--removed from society. Whether it's the disability community, the trans community, or any other decentralized minority group that found a home on social media, hyper-wealthy assholes like him are all too happy to accept whatever money he can fleece out of the captive audience while simultaneously enacting and advocating for policies that do them harm.

While it's true that sometimes the energy that would go into finding a new place to build a community is already "bookmarked for survival", there's a gigantic difference between survival and palliative care. Staying on Twitter in order to access your community is 100% the latter.
 
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Not to defend Musk, but I think you're misinterpreting his statement. He claims to be against censorship that goes far beyond what is required by law. IOW, Twitter legally has to restrict some content (e.g., copyright violations) but he says it shouldn't go far beyond that.

You're saying it means he would censor as much as is allowed by law (plus a bit), but that a nonsensical interpretation because (1) no one would consider that a reasonable definition of "free speech absolutist" and (2) Twitter can legally censor anything it wants to.

In practice, of course, Musk mostly opposes restrictions on speech he likes but is perfectly happy to restrict the speech he doesn't like.
How do you explain Musk unbanning someone who posted CSAM ?

Because that's the kind of thing that the law restricts even more heavily than copyright violations, for good reason.

I don't think Musk cares about the law, except when he can use it as an excuse for whatever he wanted to do.
 
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All this makes me hope BlueSky picks up and adds features like video support as atm it's lacking for creatives wanting to share updates.

(Bit hard to share your new game characters locomotion, etc)
Yeah, currently they don't even allow* animated GIFs.


* by policy, not a technical issue.
 
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GreyAreaUK

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Meanwhile, back at Twixxer XQ...

They sure are, aren't they?

This is one of those situations where it would be tempting to say this was deliberate, if any of those companies had ever pissed off Musk. But I think it's far more likely that Twitter is simply making little-to-no effort to ensure ads are placed appropriately.

Which is arguably worse, of course.
 
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Why are there still people using it? Just leave. I have not logged into it once since he took over.
I still use it cos Japanese Twitter is still a very vibrant corner of the shitty site and many Japanese celebrities and artists only uses Twitter and god forbid, TikTok, to post updates.

There’s no fucking way I’m going to start using fucking TikTok over Twitter.
 
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Xyler

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And go where? You can't leave Twitter without leaving your followers and followees behind, unless you manage to somehow convince every one of your followers and followees to also switch. And most people are not annoyed enough by Elon's antics to go through giving up on their followers and followees.

BTW this is the final conclusion of Cory Doctorow's famous enshittification article: that platform switching should be made easy and platform switching costs should be made zero, but unfortunately that conclusion is under several paragraphs of ranting, so I doubt many people read that far.
I just de-activated my Twitter account which I built up to 300 actual followers (I blocked over 300+ bots)

Social Media makes people think they need these followers. It's all about engagement and not about actual friendships. If you have friends on Twitter, ask if they have Discord or other chat software, then see if you need Twitter.

If you're a big YouTuber or something like that, maybe... but if you're not a big corpo or influencer, you're not gonna miss anything from leaving Twitter.
 
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What I don't understand is why it's so hard for people to just not use the fucking thing. Stop talking about it. Stop using it. Block it at your gateway if you have to. Maybe stop writing about every dumb thing a fatass narcissist does?

It's a trash fire. It always has been. From the rise of Donald Trump to all the excuses the self-serving "ethics" people made for him ("newsworthy", etc.). They justified hate speech with predictable consequences and now we all suffer for their naevete.

Fuck Yael Roth and every other prick who enriched themselves giving that pile of shit a polish. His end at Twitter was like Ernst Rohm's. Hoisted on his own petard. That's what happens when you give fascists the benefit of the doubt. Fucking idiot.
 
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If you're a big YouTuber or something like that, maybe... but if you're not a big corpo or influencer, you're not gonna miss anything from leaving Twitter.
Except, of course, content that is only posted to Twitter. Of which there is an obnoxious amount.

Part of this is that there simply is no replacement. Bluesky's response to all of this Twitter drama was to drastically reduce the rate at which they gave out invites. Threads is still as useless as it was when it launched. Turns out the "followers only" view - the only change since launch - doesn't show you everything from people you follow, it's still algorithmic in some way and only shows you some of what people you follow post. There's no trending tab, so there's no way to see "social" conversations, so there's no real way to grow your network of people. You're just left with an algorithmic feed of posts from people you don't know. Most people who tried Threads have already given up on it.

Which means that you're left with groups where the only way to know what they're up to is to follow what they post on what used to be called Twitter. There's just nothing out there that replaces it yet.
 
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Marcus Andreus

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Ah, yes. The Australian accent. Of course here in Australia we say (and hear) 'Ecks', but the pretty much the rest of the world hears an Australian say 'Icks'. New Zealanders are just more extreme.

True story: while staying in a youth hostel in Chicago a few mates and I played cards with some German lads. The learned the English names of the cards from us, and we noticed they said 'Ice of Spides'. No, we said, it's 'Ace of Spades' Yah, they said, 'Ice of Spides'. Also the local Americans couldn't understand us when we asked for a 'Sprite', we had to pronounce it as 'Sprayte' to get the right drink.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDInoZXz1A8
 
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The Lurker Beneath

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Musk called the NYT a "racial genocide apologist."

I guess when the NYTimes reported Nazi speeches in the 30s, they were pro-nazi. Or were they pro-Stalin when they reported his speeches?

Sometimes... see Walter Duransky. An atypical case, I know.

Still, I cannot imagine Ars commentators letting them off quite so easily if they proposed equally sympathetic explanations of similar rhetoric in other settings.
 
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