Upgrade your PCs, servers, and phones: Ubuntu 13.10 lands tomorrow

First stable release of Ubuntu for phones is ready.

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[jandrese]

Does the picture in the article have a really big font snafu right in the middle of the phone?!?

 

[Wickwick]

Seeing the comment about Ubuntu Server made me curious of something. When Ubuntu is installed as a server can it be very light weight? Could I install it on an Atom-based box for instance to manage files, firewalls, etc?

 

[Wardatrigger]

jandrese[/url]":z845jdmn]Does the picture in the article have a really big font snafu right in the middle of the phone?!?

The emboldened 2? I wondered if that was some sort of unique selling point, making the clock easier to read to wean people like me off Android.

 

[neodorian]

Wardatrigger[/url]":3uu1cc1j]

jandrese[/url]":3uu1cc1j]Does the picture in the article have a really big font snafu right in the middle of the phone?!?

The emboldened 2? I wondered if that was some sort of unique selling point, making the clock easier to read to wean people like me off Android.

That's one of the available clock widgets on Android (Jellybean).

 

[knbgnu]

Wickwick[/url]":3vrtvr9s]Seeing the comment about Ubuntu Server made me curious of something. When Ubuntu is installed as a server can it be very light weight? Could I install it on an Atom-based box for instance to manage files, firewalls, etc?

I haven't messed with it in a long time, but I don't think Ubuntu server deviates all that much from a Debian minimal/server install. Debian would also be a pretty good choice for that if you are knowledgeable enough to do so.

 

[jbrodkin]

neodorian[/url]":zgezu8wi]

Wardatrigger[/url]":zgezu8wi]

jandrese[/url]":zgezu8wi]Does the picture in the article have a really big font snafu right in the middle of the phone?!?

The emboldened 2? I wondered if that was some sort of unique selling point, making the clock easier to read to wean people like me off Android.

That's one of the available clock widgets on Android (Jellybean).

Right, the phone there is still running Android. The disc is there, ready to install Ubuntu.

 

[Wickwick]

knbgnu[/url]":3p30vb3b]

Wickwick[/url]":3p30vb3b]Seeing the comment about Ubuntu Server made me curious of something. When Ubuntu is installed as a server can it be very light weight? Could I install it on an Atom-based box for instance to manage files, firewalls, etc?

I haven't messed with it in a long time, but I don't think Ubuntu server deviates all that much from a Debian minimal/server install. Debian would also be a pretty good choice for that if you are knowledgeable enough to do so.

If I were knowledgeable enough to do it myself I think I would not have asked my stupid question...

 

[knbgnu]

Wickwick[/url]":17w01bpk]

knbgnu[/url]":17w01bpk]

Wickwick[/url]":17w01bpk]Seeing the comment about Ubuntu Server made me curious of something. When Ubuntu is installed as a server can it be very light weight? Could I install it on an Atom-based box for instance to manage files, firewalls, etc?

I haven't messed with it in a long time, but I don't think Ubuntu server deviates all that much from a Debian minimal/server install. Debian would also be a pretty good choice for that if you are knowledgeable enough to do so.

If I were knowledgeable enough to do it myself I think I would not have asked my stupid question...

I suspected that might be the case. You can also give a shot if you aren't knowledgeable enough to do os, but there will be a good bit of trial and error, so I would advise not using it for anything critical until you get the hang of it. The last time I messed with it, Ubuntu server was headless (no GUI), so it's not something you would want to just drop into with no *nix experience. You might have an easier time using a lightweight variant like Lubuntu and installing the server packages you need.

 

[jmshub]

Wickwick[/url]":1798xlp6]

knbgnu[/url]":1798xlp6]

Wickwick[/url]":1798xlp6]Seeing the comment about Ubuntu Server made me curious of something. When Ubuntu is installed as a server can it be very light weight? Could I install it on an Atom-based box for instance to manage files, firewalls, etc?

I haven't messed with it in a long time, but I don't think Ubuntu server deviates all that much from a Debian minimal/server install. Debian would also be a pretty good choice for that if you are knowledgeable enough to do so.

If I were knowledgeable enough to do it myself I think I would not have asked my stupid question...

I run an Ubuntu Server installation in a VM as a dev webserver. If you aren't familiar with Linux terminal commands, the learning curve will be somewhat steep at first, but I recommend downloading Virtual Box and Ubuntu Server. They are both free...so the whole thing will cost you nothing but your time.

 

[Barbas]

Are there any real reasons for desktop users to upgrade then? I really feel like it's not worth the hassle in order to get a couple of non-features.

 

[baraujo]

Disclaimer: I use Ubuntu on my work laptop, because I don't really have the time or patience of configuring everything from scratch.

With that said: Canonical is trying really hard to be hated, it seems, with its expanded "offer" of these so-called "Smart Scopes" and also shoving Mir just because. Arch seems more and more attractive each passing day.

 

[Viewer]

I wish there was a bigger push to improve the Linux workstation desktop, be it Ubuntu or someone else. I want an OS to work with text files, Markdown, LaTeX, and do my coding work: Ubuntu is currently the best for that.

Ubuntu has been amazing an testing, polishing, and integrating Linux software. Everything GUI related from Ubuntu has been awful. GTK and Gnome are terrible. Ubuntu's app store and web store are terrible. Unity is best because it often stays out of the way. Ubuntu doesn't seem to be remotely close to having the talent pool to compete with Android or iOS.

 

[laststop311]

Can someone tell me what ubunto brings to the table thats so much better than android for an average user?

 

[knbgnu]

Barbas[/url]":1hdda7c0]Are there any real reasons for desktop users to upgrade then? I really feel like it's not worth the hassle in order to get a couple of non-features.

If there is something important in the updated parts, then there would be. For example, the newer kernel might support a device you really want.

 

[peaceminded]

> "The desktop is seeing a little bit less feature development because most of the engineering has been focused on the phone," Bacon said.

Thanks for saving me the upgrade hassle I guess? Any other reason to upgrade from previous version - driver improvements, power usage, device support, overall stability?

 

[jandrese]

jbrodkin[/url]":2tkk0too]

neodorian[/url]":2tkk0too]

Wardatrigger[/url]":2tkk0too]

jandrese[/url]":2tkk0too]Does the picture in the article have a really big font snafu right in the middle of the phone?!?

The emboldened 2? I wondered if that was some sort of unique selling point, making the clock easier to read to wean people like me off Android.

That's one of the available clock widgets on Android (Jellybean).

Right, the phone there is still running Android. The disc is there, ready to install Ubuntu.

I'm imagining the author going "Where the hell is the CDROM slot on this stupid phone?1?" while he jams the disc against the size of the phone repeatedly.

 

[Viewer]

laststop311[/url]":2kufe8xq]Can someone tell me what ubunto brings to the table thats so much better than android for an average user?

If by "average user", you mean consumer use, Android or iOS are far better choices. My non-techie daughter needs to access a Flash site for school, which is the one time she needs to use something beyond iOS or Android.

For advanced workstation use, desktop Linux is much better, and Android/iOS really aren't meant for that. Even for something basic like writing a doc in Markdown/RST/LaTeX, which is far better than novice centric WYSIWYG office tools like LibreOffice, desktop Linux excels.

 

[Viewer]

peaceminded[/url]":m0zu4n9b]
Thanks for saving me the upgrade hassle I guess? Any other reason to upgrade from previous version - driver improvements, power usage, device support, overall stability?

Sure, 11.10 uses a much newer Linux kernel: 3.11 as opposed to 3.8 in 11.04. This which has lots of newer device support. Video drivers have been steadily improving and fixing some wonkiness in previous releases.

Canonical/Ubuntu has only done basic integration and testing, they haven't been the actual developers, but I would upgrade.

 

[Elij17]

Will this run on a CDMA Galaxy Nexus?

 

[psarhjinian]

peaceminded[/url]":1uhn8b07]> "The desktop is seeing a little bit less feature development because most of the engineering has been focused on the phone," Bacon said.

Thanks for saving me the upgrade hassle I guess? Any other reason to upgrade from previous version - driver improvements, power usage, device support, overall stability?

The changelog will have all that, and Phoronix has details and benchmarks as well.

But this release doesn't seem to have much, other than some mild gains and package updates.

 

[Otus]

knbgnu[/url]":3mr0nk38]

Barbas[/url]":3mr0nk38]Are there any real reasons for desktop users to upgrade then? I really feel like it's not worth the hassle in order to get a couple of non-features.

If there is something important in the updated parts, then there would be. For example, the newer kernel might support a device you really want.

Yeah, especially if you use the open GPU drivers you'll want the kernel and X updates. E.g. radeon should have full SI support, some power management and video acceleration.

If you are on 13.04 you need to upgrade anyway, since support ends in three months. If you are on 12.04 you could wait for the next LTS or for the backport kernel+X.

 

[luis3007]

While I have a Sony Vaio with Windows 8(.1) as my main laptop because I can't live without a 100% compatible Steam and MS Office, I have a 5 year-old Gateway laptop with Ubuntu happily connected to torrents all the day at home while I'm at work.

 

[OmniWrench]

jandrese[/url]":3evxx5v5]

jbrodkin[/url]":3evxx5v5]

neodorian[/url]":3evxx5v5]

Wardatrigger[/url]":3evxx5v5]

jandrese[/url]":3evxx5v5]Does the picture in the article have a really big font snafu right in the middle of the phone?!?

The emboldened 2? I wondered if that was some sort of unique selling point, making the clock easier to read to wean people like me off Android.

That's one of the available clock widgets on Android (Jellybean).

Right, the phone there is still running Android. The disc is there, ready to install Ubuntu.

I'm imagining the author going "Where the hell is the CDROM slot on this stupid phone?1?" while he jams the disc against the size of the phone repeatedly.

You use NFC to scan the disc in. Duh.

 

[JEDIDIAH]

jandrese[/url]":2zmcf0sg]

jbrodkin[/url]":2zmcf0sg]

neodorian[/url]":2zmcf0sg]

Wardatrigger[/url]":2zmcf0sg]

jandrese[/url]":2zmcf0sg]Does the picture in the article have a really big font snafu right in the middle of the phone?!?

The emboldened 2? I wondered if that was some sort of unique selling point, making the clock easier to read to wean people like me off Android.

That's one of the available clock widgets on Android (Jellybean).

Right, the phone there is still running Android. The disc is there, ready to install Ubuntu.

I'm imagining the author going "Where the hell is the CDROM slot on this stupid phone?1?" while he jams the disc against the size of the phone repeatedly.

If you want to use a CDROM drive on a phone, just use a USB-to-Go cable. Although you will probably want a powered hub in order to handle the power requirements of a USB optical drive.

The combination is not entirely out of the question.

 

[r3loaded]

Why on earth is Canonical trying to push Mir so hard when Wayland has already been decided upon as the replacement for X and is being supported by literally everyone else in the Linux community? Seems like they're picking up NIH syndrome from MS and Apple.

 

[Wickwick]

jmshub[/url]":2dvz7ugm]

Wickwick[/url]":2dvz7ugm]

knbgnu[/url]":2dvz7ugm]

Wickwick[/url]":2dvz7ugm]Seeing the comment about Ubuntu Server made me curious of something. When Ubuntu is installed as a server can it be very light weight? Could I install it on an Atom-based box for instance to manage files, firewalls, etc?

I haven't messed with it in a long time, but I don't think Ubuntu server deviates all that much from a Debian minimal/server install. Debian would also be a pretty good choice for that if you are knowledgeable enough to do so.

If I were knowledgeable enough to do it myself I think I would not have asked my stupid question...

I run an Ubuntu Server installation in a VM as a dev webserver. If you aren't familiar with Linux terminal commands, the learning curve will be somewhat steep at first, but I recommend downloading Virtual Box and Ubuntu Server. They are both free...so the whole thing will cost you nothing but your time.

Thanks. Back in MY day (when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, etc.) the only computers we could use in the labs at school were UNIX boxes from DEC or SGI (if that doesn't date me I don't know what will). I have some comprehension of how a command line works and how to read documentation. However, I certainly won't know the flags, etc. to use. From that point of view I felt installing a Ubuntu might be a better idea than something like pure Debian.

 

[knbgnu]

r3loaded[/url]":1ldyocpf]Why on earth is Canonical trying to push Mir so hard when Wayland has already been decided upon as the replacement for X and is being supported by literally everyone else in the Linux community? Seems like they're picking up NIH syndrome from MS and Apple.

Supposedly, the problem was that Wayland wasn't where it needed to be to meet their mobile needs at the time of announcement, and there might have been a design difference or two. I think the real problem is that Canonical is unable to swallow their pride and admit they made a mistake.

Wickwick[/url]":1ldyocpf]
I run an Ubuntu Server installation in a VM as a dev webserver. If you aren't familiar with Linux terminal commands, the learning curve will be somewhat steep at first, but I recommend downloading Virtual Box and Ubuntu Server. They are both free...so the whole thing will cost you nothing but your time.

Thanks. Back in MY day (when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, etc.) the only computers we could use in the labs at school were UNIX boxes from DEC or SGI (if that doesn't date me I don't know what will). I have some comprehension of how a command line works and how to read documentation. However, I certainly won't know the flags, etc. to use. From that point of view I felt installing a Ubuntu might be a better idea than something like pure Debian.[/quote]
And that's why we have man pages.

 

[nhubbell]

Canonical's Mark Baker and Dustin Kirkland will be doing a live Twitterchat at 12pm est TODAY to talk about all things 13.10. They'll be doing it via the @UbuntuCloud handle - use hashtag #1310chat to send them your questions/comments: https://twitter.com/ubuntucloud

 

[fatpugsley]

For international users, has merged the Keyboard Settings from upstream Gnome/GTK and you can no longer assign the traditional Alt+Shift shortcut to change layouts, and you must use the win+space combination just like Windows and Gnome Shell.

(Again this unfortunately applies to ALL distributions that have let this particular part of Gnome unforked)

 

[jacobtstewart]

Elij17[/url]":e9n6jhn6]Will this run on a CDMA Galaxy Nexus?

I don't believe so. I just bought a used Sprint Galaxy Nexus and looked into this because I was curious. There's a thread on XDA Developers where someone got the GSM version to load on the CDMA version, but of course the cell radios didn't work at all. It's for sure not officially supported.

EDIT - Here's the link to the website with instructions for installation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install. The CDMA versions of the Galaxy Nexus are conspicuously absent.

 

[bomana]

knbgnu[/url]":379zl9r4]

Wickwick[/url]":379zl9r4]Seeing the comment about Ubuntu Server made me curious of something. When Ubuntu is installed as a server can it be very light weight? Could I install it on an Atom-based box for instance to manage files, firewalls, etc?

I haven't messed with it in a long time, but I don't think Ubuntu server deviates all that much from a Debian minimal/server install. Debian would also be a pretty good choice for that if you are knowledgeable enough to do so.

I haven't looked at Ubuntu Server in a long time either -for good reason. Last time I looked it was a bloated mess. Dependencies pulled lots of unnecessary packages, including things like wireless drivers and utils.

For a nice lightweight headless server it is hard to beat Debian.

 

[ocf81]

jbrodkin[/url]":327342vu]

neodorian[/url]":327342vu]

Wardatrigger[/url]":327342vu]

jandrese[/url]":327342vu]Does the picture in the article have a really big font snafu right in the middle of the phone?!?

The emboldened 2? I wondered if that was some sort of unique selling point, making the clock easier to read to wean people like me off Android.

That's one of the available clock widgets on Android (Jellybean).

Right, the phone there is still running Android. The disc is there, ready to install Ubuntu.

Dear mr. Brodkin,

Progress updates would be appreciated

 

[kris2lee]

If Ubuntu continues its aggressive and sneaky tactics against users privacy then the current version might be the last Ubuntu version I use.

I not a old Ubuntu user and have not donated yet as I was not aware yet if I like the it enough but considering current state, I am not sure that I would consider it again.

 

[laststop311]

I might put this on my nexus 4 after I get the nexus 5 just for giggles. But yea I just consume media on my phone so I guess it's not really practical for people like me to put this on their main phone.

 

[shadedmagus]

kris2lee[/url]":jp5ifc8x]If Ubuntu continues its aggressive and sneaky tactics against users privacy then the current version might be the last Ubuntu version I use.

I not a old Ubuntu user and have not donated yet as I was not aware yet if I like the it enough but considering current state, I am not sure that I would consider it again.

If you want to have your Ubuntu back the way you want it, I would suggest Kubuntu (KDE) or Xubuntu (Xfce). From what I understand, they have diverged from Ubuntu in that they still use the Ubuntu repositories, but will not be using Mir or Smart Scopes.

 

[heartburnkid]

I'm curious about this, and might just try flashing it on my Nexus.

Is there a way to run Android apps on Ubuntu Phone? I know there's Alien Dalvik on the desktop; is there anything similar?

 

[kris2lee]

shadedmagus[/url]":24if1tnf]

kris2lee[/url]":24if1tnf]If Ubuntu continues its aggressive and sneaky tactics against users privacy then the current version might be the last Ubuntu version I use.

I not a old Ubuntu user and have not donated yet as I was not aware yet if I like the it enough but considering current state, I am not sure that I would consider it again.

If you want to have your Ubuntu back the way you want it, I would suggest Kubuntu (KDE) or Xubuntu (Xfce). From what I understand, they have diverged from Ubuntu in that they still use the Ubuntu repositories, but will not be using Mir or Smart Scopes.

See, problem is not the appearance of the Unity, to be honest, I very much like it and find that it is one of the best available user interfaces for laptop computers.

Problem is that the default installation is collecting information and sharing it with third-parties. What is even more serious problem is that there is no official guide how to disable this.

What is even more worse than that is that they promised privacy controls for version 13.04 but did not deliver. Instead they went on with even more aggressive tactics.

This thing sticks and by big time.

 

[Jousle]

Very nice! i can not wait

 

[tormeh]

kris2lee[/url]":14ysswzb]

shadedmagus[/url]":14ysswzb]

kris2lee[/url]":14ysswzb]If Ubuntu continues its aggressive and sneaky tactics against users privacy then the current version might be the last Ubuntu version I use.

I not a old Ubuntu user and have not donated yet as I was not aware yet if I like the it enough but considering current state, I am not sure that I would consider it again.

If you want to have your Ubuntu back the way you want it, I would suggest Kubuntu (KDE) or Xubuntu (Xfce). From what I understand, they have diverged from Ubuntu in that they still use the Ubuntu repositories, but will not be using Mir or Smart Scopes.

See, problem is not the appearance of the Unity, to be honest, I very much like it and find that it is one of the best available user interfaces for laptop computers.

Problem is that the default installation is collecting information and sharing it with third-parties. What is even more serious problem is that there is no official guide how to disable this.

What is even more worse than that is that they promised privacy controls for version 13.04 but did not deliver. Instead they went on with even more aggressive tactics.

This thing sticks and by big time.

Open the dash and search for 'privacy'.