Upgrade your PCs, servers, and phones: Ubuntu 13.10 lands tomorrow
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25494749#p25494749:332w7030 said:
The online 'service' in the dash board can be disabled quite easily . This can be a privacy issue for some people, but is still anonymous . I guess that if you have issues with this then you have issues with goggle services as well. Even more, you must have privacy concerns while navigating in Arstechnica too.
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25493631#p25493631:175ixl8c said:
<head scratch>That's hardly going to get me off Android</head scratch>
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Datapoint: the last time I created an Ubuntu Server VM, it did not by default start any GUI at all. So if you're talking about lightweight in terms of CPU, GPU, and RAM footprint, I suspect so.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25493567#p25493567:2osn605b said:
If you're talking about lightweight in terms of storage requirements... different people have different standards, and by my standards there are no popular lightweight distributions of Linux left. (I used to run a Debian server that had 12MB of RAM and under 500MB of disk; was sufficient for years.)
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And that's why we have man pages.[/quote][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewWayland%20hp?p=25494189#p25494189:1u7yl0sa said:knbgnu[/url]":1u7yl0sa]Supposedly, the problem was that Wayland wasn't where it needed to be to meet their mobile needs at the time of announcement, and there might have been a design difference or two. I think the real problem is that Canonical is unable to swallow their pride and admit they made a mistake.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25494123#p25494123:1u7yl0sa said:
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25494163#p25494163:1u7yl0sa said:Wickwick[/url]":1u7yl0sa]
I run an Ubuntu Server installation in a VM as a dev webserver. If you aren't familiar with Linux terminal commands, the learning curve will be somewhat steep at first, but I recommend downloading Virtual Box and Ubuntu Server. They are both free...so the whole thing will cost you nothing but your time.
Thanks. Back in MY day (when dinosaurs roamed the Earth, etc.) the only computers we could use in the labs at school were UNIX boxes from DEC or SGI (if that doesn't date me I don't know what will). I have some comprehension of how a command line works and how to read documentation. However, I certainly won't know the flags, etc. to use. From that point of view I felt installing a Ubuntu might be a better idea than something like pure Debian.
I think they decided that they would not use wayland for control purposes. Ubuntu has been trying to show they can compeat with IOS and Android (who I belive have thier own display servers?) Anyway I belive they just don't want to be dependant on to many 3rd parties.
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I would say if you're not running an LTS release, yes. When a new release comes out, it's very reasonable to expect that support for existing non-LTS releases will soon degrade.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25493769#p25493769:vh5e99rk said:
13.04 is not an LTS release. I'm planning on upgrading my 13.04 systems and VMs to 13.10, though perhaps not immediately.
I am not planning on upgrading my 12.04 LTS systems and VMs until some time between the next LTS release and the end of support for 12.04. (Some of those systems, like the paleolithic laptop I set up for my father-in-law -- which he's happy with, by the way -- may then get replaced instead of upgraded.)
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[trollhide]"... but Canonical isn't quite ready to declare Ubuntu stable for those larger touchscreens..."
Canonical is never quite ready to declare any of their "wish-upon-a-star" fairy tales as stable.
"...Beta versions of the mobile Ubuntu have been available to test for months, and now version 1.0 will be ready for supported devices...
Get that folks? Canonical has conveniently had this product ready for MONTHS. MONTHS, mind you, and now they're ready to release VERSION ONE-POINT-NAUGHT on the world, but (ssshhh!! real quiet, now) only for selected, supported devices.
Apparently, the carny--as in 'carnival show'--team of Shutlleworth and Bacon never heard of the veteran users' maxim of NEVER using the "...POINT-ZERO" version of anything.
Expect to get Canonical's "1.0" version, and you won't be disappointed.
"...The desktop is seeing a little bit less feature development because most of the engineering has been focused on the phone," Bacon said...
This is code (everything that Bacon, and Shuttleworth, says is in code) for, "The desktop is seeing a LOT less feature development...".
"One desktop feature"--WHICH HAS BEEN AROUND A LOOOONG TIME, A MAJOR SOURCE OF CONTROVERSY, AND WHICH SHUTTLEWORTH ABSOLUTELY REFUSES TO BUDGE ON--"that some will like and some will hate is called Smart Scopes, which greatly expands Internet search results in the Unity Dash..." Also known as "SPYWARE". And DON"T tell me I can disable it, all you Shuttleworth cult members.
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"We have a full review of the desktop ready to roll tomorrow, so stay tuned."
Why? you expect to report anything new, except new horseshit from the Shuttleworth/Bacon comedy team?
I may tune in, but not for any news. For the laughs.[/trollhide]
Canonical is never quite ready to declare any of their "wish-upon-a-star" fairy tales as stable.
"...Beta versions of the mobile Ubuntu have been available to test for months, and now version 1.0 will be ready for supported devices...
Get that folks? Canonical has conveniently had this product ready for MONTHS. MONTHS, mind you, and now they're ready to release VERSION ONE-POINT-NAUGHT on the world, but (ssshhh!! real quiet, now) only for selected, supported devices.
Apparently, the carny--as in 'carnival show'--team of Shutlleworth and Bacon never heard of the veteran users' maxim of NEVER using the "...POINT-ZERO" version of anything.
Expect to get Canonical's "1.0" version, and you won't be disappointed.
"...The desktop is seeing a little bit less feature development because most of the engineering has been focused on the phone," Bacon said...
This is code (everything that Bacon, and Shuttleworth, says is in code) for, "The desktop is seeing a LOT less feature development...".
"One desktop feature"--WHICH HAS BEEN AROUND A LOOOONG TIME, A MAJOR SOURCE OF CONTROVERSY, AND WHICH SHUTTLEWORTH ABSOLUTELY REFUSES TO BUDGE ON--"that some will like and some will hate is called Smart Scopes, which greatly expands Internet search results in the Unity Dash..." Also known as "SPYWARE". And DON"T tell me I can disable it, all you Shuttleworth cult members.
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"We have a full review of the desktop ready to roll tomorrow, so stay tuned."
Why? you expect to report anything new, except new horseshit from the Shuttleworth/Bacon comedy team?
I may tune in, but not for any news. For the laughs.[/trollhide]
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I am very interested in a review of how 13.10 does on this front. 13.04 was a step backwards. Is 13.10 a step forwards?[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25494749#p25494749:h636tiox said:
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Yeah, unfortunately, unified support for ARM devices that is user-loaded is still in a very primitive state. Hopefully, in a few years, projects like Linaro will have taken hold, and every new device that comes out will work out of the box with a couple of distros, at most requiring some device specific packages.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25495191#p25495191:gaqyqvnz said:
Actually, version number are largely meaningless. For example, VLC didn't have a 1.0 until 2009, and while not the best media player, it was better at that point than many other players.
Also, another counterpoint would be Debian. Debian stable is often in too mature a state for many.
I take issue with many of Canonical's decisions, and I hate Unity, but you are more or less just posting flamebait.
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25493791#p25493791:1dsd1af3 said:
Right now? Absolutely nothing. In the future? Who knows. Even if it never goes mainstream it's still interesting for enthusiasts.
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25493551#p25493551:1preig1c said:
The next version of Android (4.4) will not have the bold hour digits for the clock display. That was a design choice for JellyBean..
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I'm curious how smoothly the upgrade process will work.
Just a few weeks ago, I had enough and wiped Windows 8 off my home PC; I'm quite impressed by 13.04.
Just a few weeks ago, I had enough and wiped Windows 8 off my home PC; I'm quite impressed by 13.04.
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Also for developers, and for some specialized applications. I'm not aware of a really solid first-class self-hosted development environment for Android. If you want to be able to whip out a portable device and have a full-fledged hacking environment right there (eg. to do sophisticated field data analysis), this could be useful.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25495359#p25495359:2degm8ps said:
I think it could be interesting to get this into the hands of my nephew. He's now around the age I was when I started scribbling my first assembly language code in mud on cave walls...
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25495087#p25495087:u38xclzb said:
I'm not sure how strict your definition of "popular" is, but DSL and Puppy are both still tiny with GUI support. With some careful pruning I'm sure a Debian or Slackware install could be similarly carved down to size (or purpose), too.
As for Ubuntu 13.10, my workstation started with Xubuntu 12.04 and has survived two upgrades without much fuss. But it's starting to feel a little bit crufty and unpolished in spots. When I pick up an SSD in a month or two I'll probably jump ship to another distro - the only question is which.
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Good timing. Somehow I completely hosed my install last weekend. The file manager locked up while I was trying to copy files from my phone, and I installed an update, and when I rebooted it couldn't get to my OS whatsoever. My other OSes booted fine so I knew it wasn't the HDD.
Thanks for the reminder it's dropping tomorrow, I was going to wipe it out anyway (been upgrading since probably 12.04, figured why not).
Thanks for the reminder it's dropping tomorrow, I was going to wipe it out anyway (been upgrading since probably 12.04, figured why not).
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On the one hand, I've never heard of DLS or Puppy, so I didn't have those in mind as popular distributions. I have heard of Slackware though.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25495517#p25495517:1klx2c10 said:
(And Debian is my default server distribution, has been since ... I want to say 0.91. I'd have said "since before 1.0", but then another fuddy-duddy as old as me would start yelling at me in a tangent.) On the other hand, I think it's my definition of "lightweight" that's the real issue. I still remember the days when I could fit a very useful distribution in well under 250 megabytes, and could have genuinely useful Unix systems that only had 20MB of local storage (by using NFS mounts for "/usr" for example).
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A lot of it depends on how heavily modified your install is. The more vanilla your setup is, the less of a chance of problems, and the more of a chance that if you do have problems, they can be fixed. I would recommend having /home on its own directory, and you can actually make a backup list of the packages you have installed.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25495379#p25495379:2yk2f4w5 said:
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Puppy is pretty popular with low end hardware, and it's definitely a good tool to be familiar with. DSL is pretty niche, and has been largely replaced by puppy on machines that are less than a decade old. At a certain point, though, such concerns become very niche. Flash drives are typically less than $1/GB at this point, so the number of systems that have a use for you criteria are shrinking very fast.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25495617#p25495617:wuus5lym said:dfjdejulio[/url]":wuus5lym]
On the one hand, I've never heard of DLS or Puppy, so I didn't have those in mind as popular distributions. I have heard of Slackware though.
On the other hand, I think it's my definition of "lightweight" that's the real issue. I still remember the days when I could fit a very useful distribution in well under 250 megabytes, and could have genuinely useful Unix systems that only had 20MB of local storage (by using NFS mounts for "/usr" for example).
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The potential to use either a fully functioning mobile environment or a fully functioning desktop environment from the same device. It may also run in a more consistent manner considering it isn't using something like dalvik, but I'm hardly an expert, and I'm highly skeptical about Mir as a whole. Personally I think the UI paradigm just looks very interesting to use on the phone, but I haven't given it a personal go yet considering I only have a CDMA Nexus available[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25493791#p25493791:2bmckq0e said:
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25493567#p25493567:2kdb2giv said:
Services wise, it is very light. Services are not even installed. I have a little DNS server, and it takes 1.6 GB of HD space.
Not sure if that is considered light weight, in the old days we considered a 1.44 MB lightweight, or at least anything that could fit on a CD. (Remember when you could install Linux by the pound? You'd say I want to install 600MB and Mandrake would install what it could?)
For lightweight in terms of CPU and RAM, I use crunchbang Linux. (A Debian based distro with a lightweight GUI) it is using 84 MB of RAM basically idling. It hops up to 200MB when surfing the web.
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25494975#p25494975:2g6k6z4e said:
I think that sending terms that I use to search something ***inside my computer*** is considerably more sensitive than say, searching something on the website.
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Try out Linux Mint. It is pretty much Ubuntu with a much much better GUI[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25493779#p25493779:h19pnbbz said:
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You can also just throw Cinnamon, or GNOME (please don't use 3), or XFCE, or whatever environment you want right on ubuntu. I'm sure someone who mentions testing and integrating linux software knows that already though[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25496753#p25496753:17oaqz0q said:
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25494123#p25494123:3kou1c80 said:
Mir and Wayland sound like healthy competition. There are tons of technologies with many competing implementations and that is generally a good thing. I am rooting for both technologies, and see no reason to pick sides. It is silly that you claim "Wayland has already been decided upon" as if there was some sacrosanct authority on this.
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In regards to underlying infrastructure, it is a concern to have too much fragmentation. If there was an active effort to maintain some degree of compatibility between the two, that would be one thing, but the goals of both projects are to displace X11, which is a gargantuan task.[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25496829#p25496829:1f8qjfcm said:
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25496715#p25496715:2dk659fz said:
I wonder what would happen if you type "dirty sex video of me cheating my wife, ,john smith at 1067 w broadway , hollywood CA with my lover and co worker kathy brown" in your dash.
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25494343#p25494343:3vuak2rc said:
Debian is nice and, of course, similar to Ubuntu server except for things like the latter's move to upstart. However, minimal Ubuntu Server installations are minimal. Are you sure you didn't inadvertently select a lot of optional packages?
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Thanks, I'll check it out. I prefer for my quick throwaway VMs to use 2GB or less of disk space (so that the disk image file doesn't need to be fragmented even when stored on idiotic backing filesystems, among other reasons).[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25495693#p25495693:9bf7gxlq said:
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25493769#p25493769:e9y5mrqq said:
Considering that for most scenarios, upgrading consists of taking a backup and running 'do-release-upgrade', what is it that you think is the downside to upgrading?
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I would be seriously rooting for Ubuntu phone, except Smart Scopes. If I didn't care about the privacy attitude behind the OS, I would have adopted Android a long time ago. The fact that it is optional, now, is not sufficient to give me confidence in where the OS will go in the long run.
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25493751#p25493751:89csdsil said:jmshub[/url]":89csdsil][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25493633#p25493633:89csdsil said:Wickwick[/url]":89csdsil][url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25493621#p25493621:89csdsil said:
If I were knowledgeable enough to do it myself I think I would not have asked my stupid question...
I run an Ubuntu Server installation in a VM as a dev webserver. If you aren't familiar with Linux terminal commands, the learning curve will be somewhat steep at first, but I recommend downloading Virtual Box and Ubuntu Server. They are both free...so the whole thing will cost you nothing but your time.
A VM is definitely the way to go...let's you get some experience without altering your current configuration. It was perfect when I started looking into Arch Linux and didn't have an extra computer lying about.
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25497581#p25497581:3e76mp25 said:
I use the F-Droid open source app store in lieu of the Google Play store. It, especially in combination with an Android Open Source Project or another third-party Android distribution might meet your needs.
Unfortunately, my Galaxy Nexus is a CDMA version, but I will install Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 7 at some point.
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Security updates. Ubuntu's new support cycle is 9 months for non-LTS releases meaning support for 13.04 will end in January of 2014 (3 months after this release).[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25493815#p25493815:37cqk12g said:
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I did have some troubles along the way, mainly when big changes where released (like grub2 a few years ago). As I don't need to have bleeding edge software, I now just stick to LTS to avoid the (potential) hassle every 6 months[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25497409#p25497409:1ivclo8m said:
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25493815#p25493815:xte1ohi1 said:
YES!
It probably varies greatly depending on the platform, but my Intel-integrated-graphics laptop has seen a huge performance boost. I've been using the 13.10 "daily" for over a month now as my main (but non-critical) OS. The interface is much smoother and quite a few minor annoyances (aka bugs) have gone away.
The most important fix for me has been a suspend issue that's been present for a while now. After waking from suspend, 13.04 (and 12.10 and 12.04) would work perfectly for a minute or so after which the UI would become extremely laggy for a minute. 12.04 would then start working perfectly again, but 13.04 would sometimes freeze completely ("just" the UI). The source of the lag has been difficult to pin down (not CPU load), but the culprit seems to be graphics and something related to updating the dash (even without the dash being open). Anyway, the issue is fixed in 13.10.
Non-optimized power usage is also down on my system compared to 13.04 (and earlier), but when using "powertop" the difference appears to be minimal.
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25493605#p25493605:vnpm93jo said:
There are better ways of making an easier to read hierarchy of type than to just put a big fat bold stroke around a font so it looks like a completely different font. But that solution would be the quickest and least thought intensive way. The original poster is right that upon 1st impression it looks like something is wrong with the font.
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25493621#p25493621:l3coofb6 said:
As one of the fortunate few who could use desktops that cost more than a car, the real question is why you ever bothered to learn or use anything else.
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25498951#p25498951:1p380bpi said:
grub to grub2 was a sticky wicket for sure. I do very many release upgrades on Ubuntu (and to a lesser extent Debian) and the rate of problems is low, however.
[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25499001#p25499001:1p380bpi said:
Superb; I was hoping that this would be the case on my Ivy Bridge HD 4000 machine, where playback with mplayer can be disappointing compared to older machines with considerably slower CPUs.
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[url=http://meincmagazine.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25493631#p25493631:17gy5j6b said:
Where do I insert the disc into my phone? Do I need a dongle?
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I love the vision of Ubuntu Mobile.
My only concern is I run Mint at home and Windows at work. The work computer I can understand not workign with UP, but Mint... how compatible will that be? Will Ubuntu try to limit it to Ubuntu proper?
My only concern is I run Mint at home and Windows at work. The work computer I can understand not workign with UP, but Mint... how compatible will that be? Will Ubuntu try to limit it to Ubuntu proper?
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