My area just got fiber available.
But I'm under contract to Comcast for a few more months. Still get over 500 Mbps down.
You don't even need that kind of speed to post on forums or even watch streaming videos.
Ukraine is game to you? Part deux.
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My area just got fiber available.
But I'm under contract to Comcast for a few more months. Still get over 500 Mbps down.
You don't even need that kind of speed to post on forums or even watch streaming videos.
Zelensky said Ukraine needs about $7 billion a month to keep the war going.
Re the Severodonetsk counterattack: Lets not get ahead of ourselves. Personally I would want more confirmation before breaking out the champagne.
Also, to be honest I am a bit ... troubled by the sheer glee in some posts at Russian frontline casualities. This isn't a fucking soccer game, and with the exception of the kadyrovites -- fuck *those* guys -- the casualities the Russians may be sustaining at the moment are an unfortunate necessity.
By the reports a lot of the "Russian" infantry by now are DPR volunteers/voluntolds (or a mixture of both), because obviously Russian laws preventing mobilization in peace time (it kinda feels weird typing it out, but based on their own legal system Russia is not at war) do not apply in the sovereign Donetsk People's Republic.
So badly trained, partially forcibly impressed, levvies, with obsolete equipment getting shot to pieces, all in the name of Putin's vain quest for Imperial glory.
Quality post.
Still waiting for more good news.
When we consider Greece was bailed out to the tune of Over $300 billion during the financial crisis, $7 billion a month to defeat Russian imperialism is bargain basement.
The Afghanistan War cost the US alone 300 mill/day so 9 billion a month. That war had no real end goal, cost US lives and had close to zero public support. The Iraq war was running concurrently for a long stretch of that with the same problems.
+100
We're happy to bail out banks and shit with billions when they fuck themselves up with criminally negligent activity. Any US/EU politician railing against supporting Ukraine should be considered an active Russian asset.
I am not up to date on this thread as i am taking a breather in a warm country from tonight, but that rhetoric just makes my blood boil like the fire of a thousand suns, about the part of Ukrainians bombing Russians in Donbass. I hear it all the time, and what my brain thinks at the time i read it isn't something fit to be printed anywhere
Yes, but I feel a certain amount of unease that positions that would hurt us on a strategic level are being actively explored. It is certainly in our interest to let this conflict burn perpetually (when all is said and done, it is a cheap conflict) onwards than to accept and reward warmongering.
Does Ukraine get Crimea back at that point or does Russia get to keep it's stolen goods? I think that's the big question. Also what happens to all the people Russia kidnapped out of Ukraine as spoils of war?
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The people have probably disappeared reasonably thoroughly and will take decades to find.
Crimea is going to be a sticky point. Ego won't let Russia give it back, but it's kinda fucked. Absolutely critical water shortage and considerable soil salination is going on there, and quite a lot of Russia's southern front effort in the war has been around establishing a true land route to it. Meanwhile the central hub for controlling water sources for the region including Crimea is Kherson.
They might try to get it established as one of their fictionally "independent" regions.
Russian generals season is not closed yet. Multiple OSINT sources are reporting that commander of Russian 5th army general Roman Kutuzov died in Donbass.
I really hope it's true.
https://t.me/UkrWarRep/5501
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Also, Spanish media reported today that Spain is sending some more leopard tanks and related ammos.
Edit: tanks, not thanks
I really hope it's true.
https://t.me/UkrWarRep/5501
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Also, Spanish media reported today that Spain is sending some more leopard tanks and related ammos.
Edit: tanks, not thanks
Some more thoughts why we should be careful wrt to Severodonetsk: We know that Russia will expend their separatist levvies freely and without thought to casualities.
This is precisely how they got through at Popasna: Fix the high quality Ukrainian regular army in their fortified positions using levvies, then use their own higher quality troops to attack the Urkainian territorial units filling in the space and route them. End result is that UA had to withdraw from their fortified positions. By all accounts the levvies took terrible casualitiess, but in the end the Russians got what they wanted.
Same thing with Severodonetsk: Giving Ukraine the impression they could push back there by feeding them expendable separatist conscripts could be a way to tempt Ukraine into comitting material they'd otherwise never risk in such a perilous (the encirclement risk is real and should not be dismissed out of hand) and ultimately secondary position where you can attempt to cut them off.
I am sure the Ukrainian general staff has thought long and hard about it, and in general this type of thing ought to be very hard to pull off against someone with the electronic and satrecon capability of NATO (whatever the modalities of intel sharing are with Ukraine, you can bet bottom dollar that if NATO saw something that'd point to this, Ukraine would be told quickly) but Murphy never sleeps.
This is precisely how they got through at Popasna: Fix the high quality Ukrainian regular army in their fortified positions using levvies, then use their own higher quality troops to attack the Urkainian territorial units filling in the space and route them. End result is that UA had to withdraw from their fortified positions. By all accounts the levvies took terrible casualitiess, but in the end the Russians got what they wanted.
Same thing with Severodonetsk: Giving Ukraine the impression they could push back there by feeding them expendable separatist conscripts could be a way to tempt Ukraine into comitting material they'd otherwise never risk in such a perilous (the encirclement risk is real and should not be dismissed out of hand) and ultimately secondary position where you can attempt to cut them off.
I am sure the Ukrainian general staff has thought long and hard about it, and in general this type of thing ought to be very hard to pull off against someone with the electronic and satrecon capability of NATO (whatever the modalities of intel sharing are with Ukraine, you can bet bottom dollar that if NATO saw something that'd point to this, Ukraine would be told quickly) but Murphy never sleeps.
I have a VERY hard time envisioning a scenario where Ukraine can get Crimea back. The Russians already had a sizeable military presence there that predated the original invasion in 2014, it's almost certainly going to be the most well fortified areas that they occupy. I don't see the UAF having the strength the break through that, especially since Russia will absolutely put every ounce of their remaining conventional military capability into holding Crimea if it's attacked.
There's also the unfortunate reality that unlike the other sham "People's Republics," Crimeans probably do mostly view themselves as Russians. It was a hotbed of pro-Russian sentiment before 2014, and given 8 years of colonization and brainwashing it's probably overwhelmingly filled with loyal subjects of Moscow. Even if you kicked out the settlers brought in since the annexation, I don't think the locals would be too welcoming, aside from whatever is left of the Tatar population.
Politically, I also doubt the Western allies would back Ukraine on taking Crimea. If they are so timid already about things like long range rocket artillery and fighter jets, it seems extremely unlikely they'd be willing to support something as provocative as retaking territory that is genuinely viewed as Russian by pretty much all ends of the Russian political spectrum, even Navalny.
Donetsk and Luhansk are a different story, and if Ukraine has the strength to do it at some point in the near future, they should definitely go for it. From what I understand the proxy governments in those areas are notoriously dysfunctional and have economically driven them into the ground. I suspect there would be a lot of loyalist sentiment under the surface that reemerges if Ukrainian forces managed to reenter those cities.
But all of this is still pretty hypothetical, IMO. We shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. Right now Ukraine needs to definitely push back the invaders from anything they've occupied since February 24. Kherson, Mariupol, etc. Those are the near term objectives they need to get back first before we even consider pre-2014 borders. I 100% hope they can do it, but right now it's very much a "To Be Determined" situation.
There's also the unfortunate reality that unlike the other sham "People's Republics," Crimeans probably do mostly view themselves as Russians. It was a hotbed of pro-Russian sentiment before 2014, and given 8 years of colonization and brainwashing it's probably overwhelmingly filled with loyal subjects of Moscow. Even if you kicked out the settlers brought in since the annexation, I don't think the locals would be too welcoming, aside from whatever is left of the Tatar population.
Politically, I also doubt the Western allies would back Ukraine on taking Crimea. If they are so timid already about things like long range rocket artillery and fighter jets, it seems extremely unlikely they'd be willing to support something as provocative as retaking territory that is genuinely viewed as Russian by pretty much all ends of the Russian political spectrum, even Navalny.
Donetsk and Luhansk are a different story, and if Ukraine has the strength to do it at some point in the near future, they should definitely go for it. From what I understand the proxy governments in those areas are notoriously dysfunctional and have economically driven them into the ground. I suspect there would be a lot of loyalist sentiment under the surface that reemerges if Ukrainian forces managed to reenter those cities.
But all of this is still pretty hypothetical, IMO. We shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. Right now Ukraine needs to definitely push back the invaders from anything they've occupied since February 24. Kherson, Mariupol, etc. Those are the near term objectives they need to get back first before we even consider pre-2014 borders. I 100% hope they can do it, but right now it's very much a "To Be Determined" situation.
It could very well be a "controlled leak." For instance: whispering about settlements might get the Russians thinking they have a way out of this, even if it is really total capitulation. Maybe some token "give backs" in the form of sanction relief but that's it. Who knows. Could also just be filling the air with conflicting information so that Putin doesn't really know what the West is thinking about.
As long as they keep attacking Ukraine, every Russian (and Belorussian) soldier's and conscript's death furthers peace and freedom. I need not be happy about it to recognize every death or combat-ending injury on their side is good for humanity's near-term future.
Counterpoint, Ukraine very possibly could capture Belgorod, Kursk, and (supply lines permitting) push on Veronezh if Russia collapses on those fronts instead. Depending on when Russia and Ukraine say "enough", there might be an opportunity for regaining Crimea through exchanges in peace negotiations. I guess it depends on whether Ukraine considers the war to have started in 2014 in terms of coming to a white peace.
Or game out situations where an election changes America's stance.
If it makes you feel any better, it seems like the ones who are advocating privately for a negotiated peace are the same ones that are advocating publicly for a negotiated peace, while the ones who are advocating privately for supporting Ukraine to fight to win are the same ones who are advocating publicly for supporting Ukraine to fight to win. So it's not like support for Ukraine is secretly softer than it is in public.
There are literally hundreds of military advisors from NATO countries in Ukraine right now (acting in both official and unofficial capacities), passing on intel; but also adding their collective knowledge to craft a strategy. Russia is literally at war with NATO.
The reports of Spain agreeing to supply tanks are intriguing, though it sounds like they require German approval before transfer. Is Berlin going to play ball here or will the Chamberlain caucus win out again?
It's curious that Spain appears to be more willing to help out on the heavy weapons front than others, I always had the impression that they were typically one of the more dovish members of NATO. In fact, despite them having a fairly large military (and an aircraft carrier even) you rarely hear about them in the context of NATO or European security policy.
It's curious that Spain appears to be more willing to help out on the heavy weapons front than others, I always had the impression that they were typically one of the more dovish members of NATO. In fact, despite them having a fairly large military (and an aircraft carrier even) you rarely hear about them in the context of NATO or European security policy.
HIMARS and M270A1 with M30A1, M31, and M31A1 missiles, but not the MGM-140 ATACMS will absolutely be a game changer and remove any capability for Russia to hold Crimea, what I would do is retake the donbas region first and then slowly starve out Crimea and/or long range fires it until they give up and cry uncle.
GMLRS is ranged to 70km and GMLRS-ER is to 150km, ATACMS is even further... but they can basically roll Russian forces back along the southern corridor and eventually isolate Crimea until surrender again.
Most of that military capability is getting bled out in Ukraine. If it gets to the point where Ukraine can seriously consider advancing into Crimea, things have already gotten very bad for Russia, much like when Russia started advancing past its pre-WWII borders against Germany.
I think there's a good chance (if it comes to that) most of the loyalists will abscond with whatever they can carry because they will see the writing on the wall. Many may also choose to stay and take their chances with Ukrainian administration, because let's face it, again if it gets to that point, Ukraine will have a much rosier economic future than Russia.
Maybe the wishy-washy Western European allies will moan and kvetch, but I doubt the much more important Eastern European and North American allies will. If Ukraine can take Crimea, it's not going to be a long, drawn out affair that they're going to need lots of foreign support for, it'll be over in weeks, and by that point Ukraine should have everything they need to pull it off.
Reminder, the majority of what we call Russian casualties are actually separatists or Wagner Group. The equipment is Russian (and totally valid talking about bleeding out), but actual Russian army deaths are far lower than the aggregate numbers imply.
Those Spanish Leopard 2A4 were mothballed for more than a decade, they are going to need some maintenance love from Krauss-Maffei Wegmann and Rheinmetall before they are useful again.
Expect capacity at KMF and RM (plenty of new orders there, remember that the ring swaps where some countries gave Soviet era armored vehicles to Ukraine, with the expectation theynwould receive replacement vehicles from Germany, plus the rearmament of Germany itself) to be the limiting factor, less the political angle, tho the German government may provide some sort of political cover for this fact.
The regular Russian BTGs were under strength to begin with, and don't have the reserve manpower to remain combat effective after even nominal casualties. This is the force drawn largely from the "battle tested" and well-equipped Southern and Central Military Districts that Russia chose to go to war with. What do you think what they left behind looks like?
reports that javelin missiles are on the blackmarket for 30k, just a matter of time until isis gets some in their arsenal and starts attacking US tanks in the middle east. if the price went down to 3k i would be tempted to try one out (shot a few RPG's from old stock for 300 each in asia). WIsh my tax dollars could go toward the crime and mental health issues in america.
Cite or retract. "People are saying" doesn't fly around here.
I'm not sure how big you think the Wagner group is... (spoilers not that big and also still operating in various places in Africa and in Syria).
An increasing number of casualties *in the current offensive and counterattack* in Luhansk are very likely local conscripts, but especially in the opening conflict in the north of the country Russia has had significant casualties and materiel loss from its regular army and even some premier divisions within it like the VDV, 3rd Tank Guards, etc.
Given what we've seen, it does not appear that Russian reliance on puppets, vassals, mercenaries, and foederati is by choice.
are tor links allowed here? blackmarket dark web links allowed? you cant believe there are usa supplied weapons for sale on the blackmarket? who knows who the seller is, russian army ukrainian army or perhaps citizens. Even usa citizen can get there hands on a truck load of javelins if they go and "volunteer". I like how people disbelieve anyone other than russians can do any wrong. The world is full of evil people.
It's a Russian disinfo fake that was debunked by the US government a couple of days ago:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/da ... nformation
Sounds like someone needs download some new talking points, this one is getting worn out, comrade.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/da ... nformation
Sounds like someone needs download some new talking points, this one is getting worn out, comrade.
Jeebus.
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