The first Corvette hypercar? Chevrolet’s 1,250 hp ZR1X hybrid breaks cover.

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Sorry to rain on the parade. This car is probably 30 years late. 4000 to 5000 pound "sportscar"? That is down right ugly, in rolls Royce territory too heavy as a track toy. And what exactly is the purpose of 1200 hp on normal day to day roads ? I can see only 2: greatly hasten global warming and compensate madly for a deep, deep insecurity. If you want G's and sub 3 second acceleration you can do that with a lotus seven, a bac mono, or an Ariel atom at a fraction of the cost, weight (like 1/8th) and power, and actually look cool driving it.

Cars are way too heavy on average anymore. But, cars of these performance have weighed this much for over a decade. A quick google search shows me that a Veyron is 4162 lb for instance.

The Lotus or bac mono you mention seem to me to be more or less in the price range of the Vette.
 
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I have a friend who was an engineer for Corvette before being shuffled off to another part of GM. He said the biggest issue they had was that Corvettes tend to be purchased by 50- and 60-something newly-retired guys who'd been driving Honda Civic's their whole lives. They tap that gas a bit hard and the car goes through the garage door into a tree. It was common enough that they started giving warnings and installing safety guardrails.

Also common, the first 10 production vehicles were reserved for the same 10 people every year. First couple to corporate, and the next few to the same high-dollar collectors.

Also, he'd get the next year's production car in April/May of the previous year, as a drive-around. Except that every few days Corvette would swap the tires, the drive train, the engine, in different combinations to test performance. He bitched about it all the time, to which I'd say "STFU, look at what you're driving." If the car exceeded a local speed limit by some amount, he'd lose his job. That happened to two of his fellow engineers one year -- they were speeding down an unused road in Bowling Green.

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Or they get the mother of all tickets or their shit impounded or both because all that power goes directly to their heads and they get clocked doing 160 in a 55. A dentist friend of my dad's learned that lesson with his M5. The Colorado Highway Patrol just does not appreciate the superb high-speed stability of a fine German automobile, I guess.

For the same reason, the 911 Turbo got called the Doctor (or Dentist) Killer back in the day; guy sweats blood through his residency, finally gets hired at a hospital or practice or whatever, buys himself a Porsche, goes backwards into the scenery at 150mph because lift-off oversteer is a thing. Tale as old as time, truly.
 
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I still think the styling is overly busy even if I like the overall shape, but god damn those specs. What even matches that kind of performance, short of the McLaren W1 or something else that costs well into the seven figures? Glad to see GM hasn't taken its eye off the ball; the Corvette is still fulfilling its mission brief of going hunting for European cars (first sports cars, then supercars, now hypercars) at a quarter to an eighth of the price.
I will say, for me, the C8 is when I actually really wanted one. I grew up in the age of "exotics" - the F40, the McLaren P1, and all the rest where those sleek, aero-designs really took over. I never cared for the muscle-car look, so the retro-styles of the Camaro, Mustang, and all the Dodge C-cars never thrilled me. However, the look of the C8 - which some call America's Ferrari, definitely struck a chord with me. Quite the exotic look, and it was actually decent in price (compared to Ferrari, Lambo, A-M, etc.), dare I say even attainable.

So for me, the new - slightly "busy" - design of the C8 won me over. Truly some fine engineering behind a beautiful design!
 
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“The same 1.9 kWh battery pack now holds 26 percent more charge than in the E-Ray, which helps bump the front motor's output from 160 to 186 hp (117 to 132 kW) and from 125 to 145 lb-ft (169 to 196 Nm). “

Charge is energy which is kWh. So the same energy can’t be 26% more charge. Do you mean that they are getting more power from the same energy battery? That’s the only thing that seems to make sense. The energy capacity of the battery has nothing to do with the power output of the motor.
 
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“The same 1.9 kWh battery pack now holds 26 percent more charge than in the E-Ray, which helps bump the front motor's output from 160 to 186 hp (117 to 132 kW) and from 125 to 145 lb-ft (169 to 196 Nm). “

Charge is energy which is kWh. So the same energy can’t be 26% more charge. Do you mean that they are getting more power from the same energy battery? That’s the only thing that seems to make sense. The energy capacity of the battery has nothing to do with the power output of the motor.
It's possible they mean usable charge, the E-Ray only uses 1.1 of that 1.9 kWh. But I'd like to know what a 70C rate battery costs.
 
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Freddy S

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I should probably know, but when you say hypercar do you mean just ludicrous power (and expense) or should I be thinking of the hypercar class at le Mans and WEC? Wondering whether to get my hopes up…
A street legal "hypercar" has nothing to do with the WEC Hypercar class.

One could argue that the Aston Martin Valkyrie is a hypercar for both the street and WEC but the WEC version has a vastly different body, no hybrid drivetrain, and is far less powerful than the street version so any comparision is pointless unless it is to highlight the differences.
 
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Freddy S

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So much for paying lip service to climate change and pedestrian safety. Fuck it, lets fetishize 1,250hp, gas-guzzling, insanely dangerous "hypercars" instead.

I really, really wish we could get some editorial consistency from Ars on this. For every story about how big SUVs and high-horsepower vehicles are leading to rising pedestrian fatalities and are Really Bad Actually, we get a fawning review of a new 6,000lb SUV. For every story about fossil fuels and climate change are a Really Big Problem We're Not Taking Seriously, we get a review fetishizing a 1,250 hp sports car.

Do you guys not see how one is directly undercutting and contradicting the other? You can't tell us SUVs are bad oh but also look how great this SUV is, or that ostentatious consumption of fossil fuels by rich people is wrong but also look at this awesome sports car.

I am far more interested in reviews of:

1. Vehicles I can actually afford;
2. Vehicles that are sane and safe to drive, for me and for other people on the road.
Massive 5,000-7000 lbs EVs and SUVs get driven on a daily basis and are purchased in vast numbers by incompetant boobs. Hypercars get driven infrequently and are so rare as to be the equivalent of vapourware with polution levels to match.

From a technical point of view hypercars are fascinating and I'm glad mediocre websites such as Ars cover them.
 
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spindizzy

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Corvette is now an amazing car, especially when compared with the cars in the same performance envelope for the price. It's a relative bargain but only for rich people ;).

The engineering for this model takes it another step and I'll enjoy experiencing it vicariously, the only option here in Australia.

How about trying to tee up a drive in the Xiaomi SU7 Ultra?
That's another example of amazing power and engineering at a price others can't achieve. Might also put a cat amongst the pigeons with those who like to claim that Chinese cars are derivative crap.
 
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Recently my truck was in the shop for some work, they were out of loaners and sent me up the street to the Enterprise. They had a few spicy cars on the lot, and for essentially 1/3 the regular rate I was able to sample a couple of them.

First day I rented a 2024 911 Cab. and had a never meet your heroes moment.. it was very underwhelming and felt like an overpriced Audi and as I kept driving it, I couldn't get over the fact that it was a ~150k car and didn't feel anywhere worth it. Especially at regular road speeds doing the daily drive duty type of stuff.

I went back the next day and swapped out for a C8 Stingray with 3LT package. A car that is LITERALLY half the price (to buy and to rent). While not perfect It genuinely felt like a bargain supercar and a ton of value for money. So much more theater, drama, excitement at any speed.

I never saw myself as a Corvette guy but with the refreshed interior now coming as well for 2026 GM really nailed it with this car. I can't think of a better bang for the buck car right now even in base stingray form.
 
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So much for paying lip service to climate change and pedestrian safety. Fuck it, lets fetishize 1,250hp, gas-guzzling, insanely dangerous "hypercars" instead.

I really, really wish we could get some editorial consistency from Ars on this. For every story about how big SUVs and high-horsepower vehicles are leading to rising pedestrian fatalities and are Really Bad Actually, we get a fawning review of a new 6,000lb SUV. For every story about fossil fuels and climate change are a Really Big Problem We're Not Taking Seriously, we get a review fetishizing a 1,250 hp sports car.

Do you guys not see how one is directly undercutting and contradicting the other? You can't tell us SUVs are bad oh but also look how great this SUV is, or that ostentatious consumption of fossil fuels by rich people is wrong but also look at this awesome sports car.

I am far more interested in reviews of:

1. Vehicles I can actually afford;
2. Vehicles that are sane and safe to drive, for me and for other people on the road.

How many miles a year do you think ALL the ZR1X's cumulatively will get driven? they are going to be mostly mothballed into collections and be held on to hoping to one day sell it at a Mecum/Barrett-Jackson as a 1/1 white with red interior made of a tuesday afternoon with XYZ option etc. hoping to sell it for big bucks.

The Co2 emissions of all of these kind of niche rarely driven cars is nothing.

Where as SUV's are far more tangible and impactful.

Edit: Also who's to say the battery and electric motor tech wont trickle down in to things like the next Gen Bolt? Lightweight power dense motors/inverters/batteries are mutually beneficial for everyone
 
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sbradford26

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It's possible they mean usable charge, the E-Ray only uses 1.1 of that 1.9 kWh. But I'd like to know what a 70C rate battery costs.
So 70C is not that crazy of a discharge rate for batteries. You can easily get LiPo batteries that will do 80C plus.

But largely the main question on C rate is for how long a battery can sustain it. Most likely the battery can hit that peak output for only short periods of time. Heat management is also a major C rate limitation which it sounds like Chevy has focused on heavily in this latest Corvette.
 
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Massive 5,000-7000 lbs EVs and SUVs get driven on a daily basis and are purchased in vast numbers by incompetant boobs. Hypercars get driven infrequently and are so rare as to be the equivalent of vapourware with polution levels to match.

From a technical point of view hypercars are fascinating and I'm glad mediocre websites such as Ars cover them.
I'd like to think that the engineering behind controlling 1200hp at the ragged edge of adhesion on a racetrack would trickle down well to something like controlling a 5000-lb SUV on a sheet of ice.
 
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It'll beat a Cirrus SF50 off the line to 120 mph. And in braking from 120 mph to zero. I think the Cirrus will still have an advantage in speed (350 mph to the Corvette's 253) and service ceiling (31,000 feet), and the Cirrus's G-limit in a turn is 3.8 g which a Corvette is simply not going to touch.
You might do well by using a Corvette to get to your Cirrus. In this price range, why not have both?
I hate how long it took for me to remember that Cirrus makes planes, not cars... just goes to show how awesomely ludicrous the specs on the ZRX1 really are! :biggreen:
 
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Nicolas

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Only took 10 comments this time to find you.

They're not going to be enough of these on the road to matter environment wise, if you care to here a rational take (which I'm sure you won't, you seem like someone that drank the flavor aide to the bottom of the cup). I'd also point out that historically technology developed on these cutting edge, high performance cars eventually showed up in daily drivers to the benefit of all. Plus if GM wants to attract the top engineers it knows it has to from time to time let them loose on fantasy projects like this. There's tons of great reasons to build cars like this and I sure GM will sell every single one it builds. I hope one passes you every single day, you clearly deserve the annoyance.
You know what would be a cool halo engineering project for GM engineers? Actually develop a car that attains this kind of performance with 1/10th of the weight and consumption. Which you can easily achieve with a 300kg chassis and a 100hp engine, if you can high-tech your way to build such a light chassis.

Dodge put a large truck engine in a sports car frame and that made the viper, which was sort of cool 30 years ago (also a pretty terrible sports car). Why not put a marine diesel engine in a frame on wheels - they go all the way to 100 000 hp +- and claim the chest hair medal for the most powerful car Ever made?

I just despair at the blindness of corpos (intentional) and public (sheep), business as usual, nothing to see here there is no such thing as global warming as the current US government tells us. Just keep doing what you have been doing for the last 100 years all is well, do not think too hard, never mind that our kids and grandkids will live on shit earth (to which the techno optimists will say without understanding the basic mechanics of global warming, tipping points and centuries-long climate inertia “don’t worry technology will fix this in the future, clean coal baby”.) Totally agree with the earlier comment about Ars’s bipolar position on global warming with reviews of 6k pounds SUVs that no one needs and the periodic article about the scientific reality of global warming. So Yepp this new Vette review fits that pattern perfectly, there is not a single line in that article that questions the why. Is that journalism?

And, I find it cute that you think I should be punished for my opinion by being perpetually surrounded by Vettes, Escalades, hummers and f150s used by solo persons as grocery getters - rejoice! It’s already happening.
 
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Kirk61704

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You've averaged ~2.5 posts a year, every year over the last 2 decades which means like me you're likely a lurker/reader and don't comment altogether too often.

But you were compelled to actually post just to say this?

Let people enjoy the things they want to enjoy.
You bothered to research their Ars history just to criticize them for sharing their opinion?
 
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Wouldn't it be nice :ROFLMAO: if auto companies concentrated on building vehicles for the 99.9%, instead of the .1%?
You know it's a Chevrolet, right? Lowest MSRP of a Chevy. Not to say that's cheap - I bought my first new car in 1989 for like $8000.

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And, I find it cute that you think I should be punished for my opinion by being perpetually surrounded by Vettes, Escalades, hummers and f150s used by solo persons as grocery getters - rejoice! It’s already happening.
You're lumping Corvettes in with many-ton monsters that get 1/3 the MPG and are 10,000 times more prevalent.

I routinely got 35+ MPG in my twin turbo C5. They aren't inefficient just because they can make a lot of power.
 
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Snark218

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Wouldn't it be nice :ROFLMAO: if auto companies concentrated on building vehicles for the 99.9%, instead of the .1%?
No, that wouldn't be nice. Every car does not need to be an economy shitbox just because you personally can't afford a Corvette. Go buy a Trax if you want to buy the cheap everyman Chevrolet and quit fucking whining about 1200hp cars not costing $22k.
 
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