THAT'S NO MOON, THAT'S A STAR WARS DISCUSSION (potential spoilers)

Matisaro

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Definitely watch it. It was good. It mostly focuses on Ahsoka IIRC.

Hell the final 4 episodes together are the third best star wars film imho. They also are very watchable as a single entity as the setup is pretty clean so even my wife who watched no clone wars at all enjoyed it. You know all the players well enough from the 4 episodes themselves and the story is pretty clean.

Coolest thing ever done to a hyperdrive segment is my favorite bit of Maul footage.
 

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And we wonder why Jake Lloyd went nuts.
There is very little wondering about it. People are shit and he (and Kelly Tran) entered the franchise in the era of the internet and social media. Frankly, I have nothing but understanding for those who don’t want to deal with the franchise and it’s baggage.
 

Matisaro

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That was my issue. I knew enough to know who the former Ghost crew was, but that’s about it. I only saw Clone Wars through season 3 and the first episode of Rebels before noping out. I simply didn’t enjoy the animation style and didn’t care enough about the story to continue. So I got very little out of Ahsoka. Mandalorian season 1 is still my favorite, alongside the OT movies. Mando stood out to me because it explored the universe largely unattached to the characters of the series and movies before it. And it wasn’t some grand galaxy spanning thing either, just a focused story like Lone wolf and Cub, just replace katanas with disintegration rifles and blasters.

In all honesty you did yourself a little bit of a disservice not giving rebels a chance imho, it has some of the best vader moments.
People taking things out on actors that didn't deserve shit for writing and/or direction.

Sometimes it is viewers blaming subjective subconscious responses to all sorts of things on bad writing or direction.
 

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Sometimes it is viewers blaming subjective subconscious responses to all sorts of things on bad writing or direction.

We were talking about Jake Lloyd's terrible experiences, not Star Wars in general, and you said "bad writing or direction", not me. I simply said an actor getting blamed for the writing or directing choices. Jack Gleeson quit acting for similar reasons and I don't think anyone said the writing and directing of early Game of Thrones was subjectively bad at all.
 

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In all honesty you did yourself a little bit of a disservice not giving rebels a chance imho, it has some of the best vader
Then I will watch a youtube compilation. I didn’t like the animation style at all, the first episode was just an extended montage of “who is this kid?” which was a poor first impression, and after going through 3 seasons of Clone Wars and part of S4 after being told how good it was, and still not caring for it even then, I wasn’t going to give up more time for Rebels. Not saying it was bad, it wasn’t for me. Frankly, I am also the weirdo who didn’t care for Rogue One (excepting the final land/space battle and Vader, that was cool) or Andor either.
 

Matisaro

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or Andor either.

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Matisaro

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Some of the best Vader parts of Rebels and Ahsoka was showing the duality of Anakin.

Yep, and if you do not have a massive problem with the animation style to the point it takes you out, these two vader shots are imho the two coolest vader shots in the entire canon or close to.

Vader is here.

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You can't stop the Vader.
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Seriously, rebels is the shit but it takes the first season to find it's feet and get a little more adulty as it is/started out as a young adult/teen show.
 

swiftdraw

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Yep, and if you do not have a massive problem with the animation style to the point it takes you out, these two vader shots are imho the two coolest vader shots in the entire canon or close to.

Vader is here.


You can't stop the Vader.


Seriously, rebels is the shit but it takes the first season to find it's feet and get a little more adulty as it is/started out as a young adult/teen show.
I think the top one is demonstrative of why I dislike the style. The lighting is off and the texturing is just flat. It is reminiscent of a crappy 3d model posing still from DeviantArt. It’s better done than that, but it’s where my thoughts head when looking at it. The second one is pretty good though.
 

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Filoni does love to play with his toys, I wonder how it will overlap with Ezra et al appearance wise. It's the clone wars/bad batch rendering pipeline so would be a different look for the ghost.

I think I saw Azmorigan, and Senator Chuchi maybe?
There's about 16 years between Maul's escape at the end of Clone Wars and when he meets Ezra on Malachor; there's plenty of time to explore there without it intersecting directly with Rebels.

That said, there's a character that looks suspiciously like Sabine in the trailer and I don't know how that fits into the timeline at all. (There's a brief period between her leaving the academy and joining up with the Ghost where she's bounty hunting for Black Sun, which is one of the syndicates controlled by Maul, but it doesn't make a ton of sense for her to be familiar with Maul prior to the stuff that happens in Rebels.)
 

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I've seen reports that it's set 'a year' after he escapes to 'the period between his escape and demise in Rebels.'

Didn't notice Maybe Sabine, hopefully it's someone else, would be hard retcon for her to known him for the bounty hunting time/him knowing her.
There's a shot showing (from behind) someone who appears to be in similar armor and with a similar hairstyle to Sabine's at 1:00, then a second shot that's more clearly a female Mandalorian at 1:17. (Can't tell from the trailer if they're two different characters or the same one.)

Hopefully it's a new character; it'd be a pretty clunky retcon if it is her.
 

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I just realized Visions Season 3 came out. On episode 5 of 9 and the quality seems to be more consistent at least, not hitting the lows of the previous two seasons, but not near reaching the heights either. There isn't a wide range of style difference between most of the episodes thus far either (Ep.1 being the outlyer) and the dubs... Yeah, the voice acting and recording isn't the greatest, even compared to the previous two seasons. But, again, even that isn't hitting the lows of S2.

Two episodes have a sequel in this season, and the Ninth Jedi is arguably the better of the two. While it gets the details of the Star Wars universe wrong, thematically it is very much a hero's journey like Luke's. The animation is smooth and mostly consistent, the main set on the wrecked ship is gorgeous, and the voice work isn't terrible. The other is my only real disappointment thus far: A sequel to S1's The Duel. While it keeps the same art direction, the animation outside the actual fight scenes is very stiff and... Cost effective looking. Also a lot more yapping in this one compared to the previous and, as mentioned, the voice acting ain't the greatest. But mein gott, am I an absolute sucker for it's design aesthetic. The gambling hall constucted in and around two AT-AT's? Divine. The insane Jedi Crusader? Perhaps a trope, but a very well executed one. The fight scenes are still top notch and I say this as someone who dislikes Jedi and force wankery. So while it is a disappointment, to me, it's only because I hold the first episode in high regard.
 

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Well, the last two were certainly different, the last one being certainly a choice to end the season on. Showing the psychedelic mental breakdown of a dying stormtrooper was something. Bird of Paradise was beautifully animated, but the story telling style and the character was a bit grating. Also, Smuggler was very Studio Trigger and I appreciate it. Very quirky and exaggerated, though not as smooth as their normal production. Probably due to a tighter deadline and budget.
 

Matisaro

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We were talking about Jake Lloyd's terrible experiences, not Star Wars in general, and you said "bad writing or direction", not me. I simply said an actor getting blamed for the writing or directing choices. Jack Gleeson quit acting for similar reasons and I don't think anyone said the writing and directing of early Game of Thrones was subjectively bad at all.

So was I, sorry it wasn't clear. Sometimes actors get hate because they trigger subconscious biases which the hater usually tries to justify with a post hoc reasoning is all I meant there.
 

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OT, but I am happy that Tom Felton is so beloved for his Draco Malfoy. He leaned into it in a charming way, and it got really dusty in my office when I saw his reaction to his first view of the theater in London, where he was playing Draco in Harry Potter and the Cursed Child. And the crowd reaction when he hits the stage is legendary.
 

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So was I, sorry it wasn't clear. Sometimes actors get hate because they trigger subconscious biases which the hater usually tries to justify with a post hoc reasoning is all I meant there.

I understand and agree. I was mostly referring to the statement about Jake Lloyd, an actor which I seriously doubt triggers the biases you reference.
 
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