THAT'S NO MOON, THAT'S A STAR WARS DISCUSSION (potential spoilers)
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Kennedy is out! https://movieweb.com/star-wars-kathleen-kennedy-step-down-dave-filoni-president/
Filoni and Lynwen Brennan will be co-presidents.
Filoni and Lynwen Brennan will be co-presidents.
That seems to be rumors/speculation and not a confirmation that KK is leaving.
aw, yeah, I guess you are right. I thought there was more of a news site also reporting it. SFGate is a San Francisco news paper. :/
Its being reported a little more widely now. Heres a link to the Polygon story on it
https://www.polygon.com/lucasfilm-kathleen-kennedy-dave-filoni-star-wars/
https://www.polygon.com/lucasfilm-kathleen-kennedy-dave-filoni-star-wars/
Yeah, he seems to be a one-trick pony—mash all the characters together like you’re playing with action figures for fun, nostalgic adventures. That trick was really fun at first, but it’s gotten very stale.
The Clone Wars and Rebels are some of the best Star Wars story telling there is. I’ll be interested in seeing where he can take Rey, Poe and Finn.
Eh. The Clone Wars and Rebels are okay for what they are. But the legacy of those shows already wrecked The Mandalorian and gave us an Ahsoka where most everything feels tired and boring. Dunno about you, but I could use less of that.
The reason Ahsoka is tired and boring is the script and the flat affect direction they gave Rosario Dawson. She can act, so it's not her fault. She acts more like Obi-Wan Kenobi, and more like the older one played by Alec Guinness, than the character.
Some folks are way to critical for their own good. How do you enjoy anything that doesn't meet your exacting standards for entertainment? Modern Star Wars shows by Filoni and Favreau and some of the best story telling the franchise has offered to audiences so far and i expect more of that from them. I swear some folks don't deserve Star Wars...
No one hates Star Wars like Star Wars fans. I can't imagine a better person to be in charge of Lucasfilm than Filoni.
Not much with Finn, unless they recast. John Boyega was pretty much through with Star Wars after the sequel trilogy.
I am not jazzed about the proposed Rey-based New Jedi Order stuff that has floated. Don't take the New Jedi Order books and replace Luke with Rey. We want a new story. That is why the Mandolorian was such a hit (at least for season 1.)
Yeah, there would have to be some serious promises that couldn’t be made in the current political environment. They utterly fucked his character over and over to the point where he would have to be given complete creative control over any movie with Finn and even then he’d probably just give them both fingers and walk away.
The problem is the bar has been raised significantly. The first season of The Mandalorian, Rogue One, Andor - all fantastic shows. Hell, I thought that kid's show they did (don't remember the name right now, but the kids from the hidden planet having a space adventure) was mostly a ton of fun without having to be OMGSERIUS. It's not like this has happened in a vacuum either. You have other fantastic science fiction shows like the first couple seasons of Battlestar Galactica, or The Expanse, all of which gave us greater expectations about what could come out of the franchise.
And then you get utter stinkbombs like the Boba Fett show and Obi-Wan. I didn't totally hate on Ashoka, but it wasn't exactly a great show. It says something that the one character I actually enjoyed won't be back next season (if it happens) because the actor died. We're disappointed because we know good shows can be made, and instead we're being shoveled crap.
The shows and movies have been hit and miss. The series started off strong with The Mandalorian, but as things progressed the shows seemed to get worse and worse. They made less and less sense. Dialogue got worse. Action was taking precedence over story.
I don't know where any of that was coming from.
And this seems to be the inverse of what happened with Clone Wars and Rebels where both started off weak but got better over time. Clone Wars even turned out the best character in the SW universe to date. That being Ahsoka Tano.
So I have no idea where SW goes from here. We will see.
Baylan Skoll will be played by Rory McCann in season 2 after Ray Stevenson died. So the character will return- and people liked the character, so I imagine they will try to keep it similar.
It wasn't just Rosario's Ashoka that felt flat and boring. All the primary protagonists and antagonists felt that way. Ahsoka, Ezra, and Sabine fighting the zombie troopers looked so...dull. They somehow made Lars Mikkelsen, Claudia Black, and Wes "That Guy" Chatham boring. The only people injecting any vitality to the show were Stevenson's Skoll and Sakhno's Hati...and the writing really wasn't doing Hati many favors either.
Funny, I maintain Mando S1 was amazing and even S2 was still good. Those weren't hard bars to meet and yet Filoni and Favreau found a way to utterly ruin it with S3.
I really enjoyed season 3 and i understand that others didn't but utterly ruin it is overly dramatic at best.
"Modern Star Wars shows by Filoni and Favreau and some of the best story telling the franchise has offered to audiences so far" is equally overly dramatic, yet I don't feel the need to make a post denigrating you because I disagree.
Somebody or other complained that the Ashoka series tried to be mysterious by not telling you why characters were doing things, but failed to understand that there is supposed to be a payoff where the intentions are revealed. Skillful dramatic irony is delightful; clumsily forgetting to resolve plots and flesh out characters gets old after a while.
It rang true to me, but I haven't really gone back and tried to analyze it for myself.
It rang true to me, but I haven't really gone back and tried to analyze it for myself.
Ahsoka Tano is maybe my favorite Star Wars character (outside of the original trilogy's characters), so I was truly excited for a live action series. Even with this fandom, I still didn't love the show.
I think Ahsoka's main issue was the lack of context for the audience if they hadn't watched The Clone Wars and Rebels. Without having seen those, none of the series makes much sense and certainly doesn't carry the same weight. Even with that background, something still felt off with the show to me.
I think Ahsoka's main issue was the lack of context for the audience if they hadn't watched The Clone Wars and Rebels. Without having seen those, none of the series makes much sense and certainly doesn't carry the same weight. Even with that background, something still felt off with the show to me.
Ahsoka was actually what made me remember that I never went back to watch 'The Final Season' of The Clone Wars. Actually I still have not finished it as I realized I had finished so long ago I was missing context for where the series was at that point.
Just watch the last 4 episodes. Hell, I would love it if they were re-edited into a single program.
That was so bad. You run through a bunch of zombies with a freaking lightsaber. There shouldn't have been a body in once piece to the re-animated by the Great Mothers.
I wasn't even referring to the facepalm logic. The fight scene itself is just...static and bland. Obi-wan had the same problem for so many of its action scenes.
It would not have helped.
While the characters are there, their depiction is not very good, and the plot if not connected to the Cloe Wars series in any way.
It's a shame they killed off Maul. He would
It was worth it. Once Bad Batch got its legs under it as a show, it was some of the most poignant Star Wars made. Some of the later episodes were a gut punch.
While the characters are there, their depiction is not very good, and the plot if not connected to the Cloe Wars series in any way.
It's a shame they killed off Maul. He would
It was worth it. Once Bad Batch got its legs under it as a show, it was some of the most poignant Star Wars made. Some of the later episodes were a gut punch.
Star Wars: A-Team is good enough that it could have been stood up on its own. It didn’t need to torpedo the pace of Ahsoka.
FWIW, the Bad Batch arc was always intended to be the Clone Wars season 7 opener-- they were storyboarded in 2012 before Clone Wars was cancelled, in basically the same form as what actually aired.
I suppose you could argue that they should've been the first few episodes of the standalone Bad Batch series instead of going backdoor-pilot with them, but Bad Batch hadn't been greenlit yet when they were producing season 7 (so it's either make it now or potentially not at all). And IMO having a chunk of pre-Order 66 material thrown in at the beginning of Bad Batch is just as disconnected and sloppy as putting it where they did (it's not really a skippable story, either, since it fills in how Echo survived/ends up on the team).
I suppose you could argue that they should've been the first few episodes of the standalone Bad Batch series instead of going backdoor-pilot with them, but Bad Batch hadn't been greenlit yet when they were producing season 7 (so it's either make it now or potentially not at all). And IMO having a chunk of pre-Order 66 material thrown in at the beginning of Bad Batch is just as disconnected and sloppy as putting it where they did (it's not really a skippable story, either, since it fills in how Echo survived/ends up on the team).
That was my issue. I knew enough to know who the former Ghost crew was, but that’s about it. I only saw Clone Wars through season 3 and the first episode of Rebels before noping out. I simply didn’t enjoy the animation style and didn’t care enough about the story to continue. So I got very little out of Ahsoka. Mandalorian season 1 is still my favorite, alongside the OT movies. Mando stood out to me because it explored the universe largely unattached to the characters of the series and movies before it. And it wasn’t some grand galaxy spanning thing either, just a focused story like Lone wolf and Cub, just replace katanas with disintegration rifles and blasters.
That's not strictly a flaw of using legacy characters per se, but getting newer audiences quickly vested in established characters requires introductions that assume the audience doesn't already know the character regardless of the franchise's size or how much other characters know them...in no small part because their motivation in the story you're watching may differ from their previous motivation. This was perhaps my greatest problem with Bo Katan in Mando. She wants to "reclaim Mandalore and the throne"...but why? What does that even begin to mean for her?
Even Mando S2 was't bad despite being used and abused for what almost constitutes three backdoor pilots because the core of the show was still Mando getting Grogu to the Jedi despite feeling like he was becoming a father.
Din doesn't get to really have any arc of his own after S2. We don't get to really sit and explore how hollow his life feels without Grogu, any conflict from being cast out by the Children of the Watch, or even his personal feelings about Mandalore and its reclamation. The concept and even the co-lead format with Bo Katan could have worked quite well had the show grounded the reclamation of Mandalore in terms like the emotional connections of Din...but instead, it turned into the same soulless storytelling so prevalent in the prequel trilogy: go here, do thing, go to next here, do next thing.