Tesla’s remote parking under federal scrutiny after multiple crashes

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OT but that sort of implies that there are other gods. Otherwise, why do you need to tell your followers to not to have any? /s

Oh, if you actually read the Bible, there's polytheism all through it. All the way through it. So, so much.

Of course, most Christians don't actually read the Bible, so it doesn't actually matter, but, yeah, there were a lot of gods floating around back then.

Edit: my Bible from college is full of 4 colors of highlights, 4 different things that are about "wait, is that what they were talking about?"

Polytheism is blue. There's 94 mentions of other gods. Gods which are treated as though they exist. The current monism (triune or not) of Christianity is NOT what the Bible says. That is, a lot of modern Christians say "have no other gods before me" is talking about 'don't let gambling or drugs or sex or (vice) be your God. But no, the Bible meant, don't worship that other god.

(The other three colors are about: "God" was a physical entity that came and went; Heaven was space, not some abstraction, actual outer space; and astrology was significantly astronomy.)

This is all very far away from the thread topic, so I'm not interested in derailing things further; I just wanted to say how much Christianity seems to have missed in terms of what the Old Testament actually says.
 
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I find both sides annoying for the same reason. People jumping into SpaceX articles just to bash Musk for reasons unrelated to the article are just as annoying as people praising SpaceX in articles about something else.
oh look! B0tH SidEZ! How novel and intelligent you must be to pretend everyone is the same and your above it!
 
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I find both sides annoying for the same reason. People jumping into SpaceX articles just to bash Musk for reasons unrelated to the article are just as annoying as people praising SpaceX in articles about something else.
They don't like it when it is directly on topic with the article. Like Elon throwing a hissy fit that he has to comply with the same environmental regulations all his competitors in old space and new space have to. There is a definite culty "they're out to get poor Elon".

I really do wish we could not have to talk about this shit, but unlike last time we had a Nazi as the face of building rockets, this one is not hiding his views from the public while still alive. Talking about SpaceX was more fun a decade ago.
 
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I find both sides annoying for the same reason. People jumping into SpaceX articles just to bash Musk for reasons unrelated to the article are just as annoying as people praising SpaceX in articles about something else.
When the story touches on Musk in SpaceX articles, don’t be surprised when people talk about Musk. Additionally, SpaceX is a Musk owned company, so don’t be shocked when people bring him up when discussing SpaceX.

Bringing up SpaceX in a completely unrelated discussion is tasteless, I’ll grant you that.
 
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Uragan

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Oh, if you actually read the Bible, there's polytheism all through it. All the way through it. So, so much.

Of course, most Christians don't actually read the Bible, so it doesn't actually matter, but, yeah, there were a lot of gods floating around back then.

Edit: my Bible from college is full of 4 colors of highlights, 4 different things that are about "wait, is that what they were talking about?"

Polytheism is blue. There's 94 mentions of other gods. Gods which are treated as though they exist. The current monism (triune or not) of Christianity is NOT what the Bible says. That is, a lot of modern Christians say "have no other gods before me" is talking about 'don't let gambling or drugs or sex or (vice) be your God. But no, the Bible meant, don't worship that other god.

(The other three colors are about: "God" was a physical entity that came and went; Heaven was space, not some abstraction, actual outer space; and astrology was significantly astronomy.)

This is all very far away from the thread topic, so I'm not interested in derailing things further; I just wanted to say how much Christianity seems to have missed in terms of what the Old Testament actually says.
I’d honestly love to see the annotations you made. That sounds awesome actually.
 
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Actually Smart Summon. Not a Flame Thrower. Musk is so emboldened by the complete paralysis of our government that he is actively taunting them. Sadly, our regulators and prosecutors are complete cowards and it is going to take a blood bath in our streets for citizens to wake up and realize what they've allowed to happen.
 
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wireless charging: no stuff stuck in ports. No broken connectors. It's better in almost every situation and I'll die on that hill
Counter argument:

Wireless = less efficient, slower charging. Or equivalent charging while toasting the battery - which will just kill the battery faster.
 
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lanfear_1

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I love the wireless charging, as another commenter stated, it saves the charging port on the phone. Keeps it from failing from constant use. So, yeah, call me lazy, but wireless charging is a helpful creation.
Helpful as it is, it's unfortunately not as power efficient as wired charging. I can't remember how big the energy loss is, but if I remember correctly it's not insignificant (?).

I hate to rain on someone's parade, but we basically just figured out one additional way to increase our energy spending/one additional way to stress the environment. Just because we're lazy... :judge:

UPDATE: Was beaten to it by traumadog above. Ah well, two environmentalists in one Ars thread, whodduvethunk! ;)
 
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They don't like it when it is directly on topic with the article. Like Elon throwing a hissy fit that he has to comply with the same environmental regulations all his competitors in old space and new space have to. There is a definite culty "they're out to get poor Elon".

I really do wish we could not have to talk about this shit, but unlike last time we had a Nazi as the face of building rockets, this one is not hiding his views from the public while still alive. Talking about SpaceX was more fun a decade ago.
Yah, and I don't have an issue with the on-topic Musk bashing. But I did also see a lot of off-topic Musk bashing in the space articles that was quickly downvoted, followed by the poster claiming that the space guys were just all in on Musk, when a lot of them want to just talk tech and not worry about whatever stupidity Musk is currently doing.

My comment that you replied to is more a complaint about all the off-topic nonsense, and complaining that off-topic was being downvoted/drowned out. I fully agree that there is a lot of down-voting on perfectly valid comments in the SpaceX articles as well that shouldn't be happening.
 
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Oh, if you actually read the Bible, there's polytheism all through it. All the way through it. So, so much.

Of course, most Christians don't actually read the Bible, so it doesn't actually matter, but, yeah, there were a lot of gods floating around back then.

Edit: my Bible from college is full of 4 colors of highlights, 4 different things that are about "wait, is that what they were talking about?"

Polytheism is blue. There's 94 mentions of other gods. Gods which are treated as though they exist. The current monism (triune or not) of Christianity is NOT what the Bible says. That is, a lot of modern Christians say "have no other gods before me" is talking about 'don't let gambling or drugs or sex or (vice) be your God. But no, the Bible meant, don't worship that other god.

(The other three colors are about: "God" was a physical entity that came and went; Heaven was space, not some abstraction, actual outer space; and astrology was significantly astronomy.)

This is all very far away from the thread topic, so I'm not interested in derailing things further; I just wanted to say how much Christianity seems to have missed in terms of what the Old Testament actually says.
IIRC the mentions of other gods are usually either powerless because the don't exist or explained as being demons. The whole showdown with Elijah and the prophets Baal is that their deity is powerless to heed their pleas, possibly for not existing beyond being an idol, while the god of Israel responds to Elijahs call even setting fire to wet wood that could not burn etc, or the drought in response to woship the god Baal of thunder and rain
 
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I would dearly love an Ars article on significant car safety recalls by manufacturer over the last...oh, however long Tesla's been in business. I'm curious if this degree of bad is Tesla specific or if the dumb fuckery is more widespread
It's a Tesla specific problem, they don't think about the safety implications of their stuff (remember boombox mode?) and then fight tooth and nail to not do a recall that every other manufacturer issues in a heartbeat
 
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I'm guessing this probe will disappear on 1/21, when President Musk makes it go away.
Dude, uncool. It is going to be President Trump.

Prime Minister Musk's money bought him Trump as president. And we all know in almost all democracies and some "democracies" that the prime minister almost always has more real power than the president does anyway.

So we don't have to pretend Musk is the real president, when his role is MORE important than some little bad hair, little hand, buffoon like a president.
 
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Frodo Douchebaggins

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Counter argument:

Wireless = less efficient, slower charging. Or equivalent charging while toasting the battery - which will just kill the battery faster.

That's fine. I replace my phone on a shorter cycle than the battery degrades anyway.

I'm not saying it's not without downsides, but the upsides win for me.
 
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(remember boombox mode?)
No... what was that about?

::googles::

Oh. Oh my. Oh dear. Who the hell thought that would be a good idea? I can see having a selection of sounds to choose from, that would be nifty, but being able to choose anything you want... oy vey.

I mean, short-sighted decisions are pretty much Tesla's thing across the board, but this takes it to a whole other level.
 
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No... what was that about?

::googles::

Oh. Oh my. Oh dear. Who the hell thought that would be a good idea? I can see having a selection of sounds to choose from, that would be nifty, but being able to choose anything you want... oy vey.

I mean, short-sighted decisions are pretty much Tesla's thing across the board, but this takes it to a whole other level.
It tells you everything you need to know about the utter lack of a safety culture at tesla. It's not safety that's in charge but product managers wanting to launch a feature and engineers coming up with ridiculous ideas with no pushback. Same thing with when they were going to let you game on the center console while the car was in motion, because surely a popup to agree that only the passenger should be using it, not the driver, is sufficient thinks the techbro used to working on only software where failure does not cause fatality
 
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No... what was that about?

::googles::

Oh. Oh my. Oh dear. Who the hell thought that would be a good idea? I can see having a selection of sounds to choose from, that would be nifty, but being able to choose anything you want... oy vey.

I mean, short-sighted decisions are pretty much Tesla's thing across the board, but this takes it to a whole other level.

You gotta remember, the Tesla CEO thinks fart noises are funny. That's the level of intellect and decision making at the top.
 
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ranthog

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I would dearly love an Ars article on significant car safety recalls by manufacturer over the last...oh, however long Tesla's been in business. I'm curious if this degree of bad is Tesla specific or if the dumb fuckery is more widespread
I'd be deeply surprised if Ars didn't have full coverage of all autonomous car related investigations by regulators in the US. Covering these technologies and related governmental policies is pretty much their bread and butter.
 
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You gotta remember, the Tesla CEO thinks fart noises are funny. That's the level of intellect and decision making at the top.
Yeah. I have to wonder if there is literally anybody working at Tesla with a mental age higher than five. It's obvious there's nobody on the board like that.
 
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Clearly they think they're incredibly funny when you have a read of this:

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-79A49D40-A028-435B-A7F6-8E48846AB9E9.html
And I don't know if they've since changed it, but any renders of the control system used to always show the temperature as 69° and the time as 4:20. I couldn't find any in the above manual, but I've seen it before.
I mean this is the company whose product line spells s3xy, and related to a company whose default wifi network name on their terminals is stinky
 
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Clearly they think they're incredibly funny when you have a read of this:

https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-79A49D40-A028-435B-A7F6-8E48846AB9E9.html
And I don't know if they've since changed it, but any renders of the control system used to always show the temperature as 69° and the time as 4:20. I couldn't find any in the above manual, but I've seen it before.
One of my friends claimed that Musk named the Y the Model Y because "why should I build this?"

I disagreed and walked him step-by-step through the revelation of the "s3xy" thing.

His jaw dropped.

Me: "It's a little puerile."
Him: "It's a lot puerile."

I might have a slight tendency towards understatement when criticising such things. I have a whole slew of reasons for having ditched the Model 3; this, on its own, wouldn't have been enough - but it certainly nails the coffin lid shut a little bit more firmly. (as if it weren't already nailed, glued, screwed, and encased in concrete.)
 
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In my day, I had to get up and walk over to the TV, turn it around, pull the back panel and figure out which tube died. Then I had to go to Radio Shack to replace it.

(Sorry folks, I realize that most of the terms in that post are likely gibberish to anyone under 65 but if you are interested, there are appopriate Historical Documents on the internet.)
Hey, even young people know what tubes are! That's what the Internet is made out of.
 
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I will be minded to the findings against “the user had too little reaction time to avoid a crash”. Is there significant lag in the system responses? I can equally believe driver error and inattention in this, with a tendency to deflect blame. "nah, I didn't, wasn't even in the car".

Hopefully the investigation is thorough. Maybe a limit of 1mph would give the system time to risk assess.
 
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On the good side, and something I'd like to see all vehicle makers do, is Tesla now sell parts online to private customers. https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...from-its-electronic-parts-catalog-244985.html

Apparently some aftermarket scan tools work with Teslas. Their online software is a ripoff but could still easily pay for itself in a single use.

https://www.shopownermag.com/understanding-three-levels-of-tesla-diagnostics/
Given easy parts and software access Tesla just became much easier for owners and small shops to work on. Not everyone is a wealthy new car buyer or willing to go in debt for a mere vehicle, and the easier it is to keep old BEV on the road the more accessible they become to the masses.
 
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There totally won’t be any political interference in things like this starting in two weeks. Don’t worry.

In a couple years we will look back on such things as "the good old days". Such things are legit the best case scenario in this administration. Legit there is going to be a smoking hole for what is left of the federal gov and any type of common sense regulation. You will be lucky if lead paint isn't allowed in a few years. And the EPA. Recommending a few grams of asbestos per day in your average diet.
 
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I see, but at the end of the day, it also works like ASS?


Have you noticed how many people tout wireless charging of mobiles as incredibly helpful? Yes, that is how lazy humans are. In my day, we had rocks. And we liked them.
I know it isn't efficient but being able to just dump my phone on my car's cubby hole and start charging and connecting to android auto wirelessly is some next level crap. I broke the USB connector on my phone in my car before I added wireless charging. Thank god the warranty was still good on my Fold 4 or that would have probably been a $700 bill. Then there is charging when there is a lightning storm overnight. I pull out my wireless charger and lose any fear of frying something. I get it. it is stupidly inefficient. But there ARE legit edge cases.
 
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Fortunately it only happened once to me that a moving car hit my stopped car. I was sitting in it, saw it, and I wasn't really angry - well, I was a little - since I believed it was unintentional. However, if someone would remotely send a vehicle (Tesla or not) into my stopped car, I'd seriously consider testing in practice whether an honest shellacking cures stupidity.

You do not remotely operate any vehicle with a highly unreliable signal/remote. And you do not believe a function is "smart" if there's a version of it that's called "actually smart" unless you're actually simple as a shoelace.
 
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