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Sony just released the first 8 minutes of Kraven the Hunter
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faustshausuk
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This film has three villains (Kraven, Chameleon, Rhino) that I would rather see in the mainline Tom Holland movies. Do we know if this is connected to them yet, or is it another wasted exercise on Sony's part?
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Nobody but "Comic book fans are well acquainted with Kraven..."
Sometimes comic book movies involving characters other than the dozen or so everyone knows pull it off. What's a "guardian of the galaxy?" Turns out... a compelling character or six that are worth at least three movies. Sometimes no so much.
Hopefully Kraven is one of those characters who has enough depth and personality that this is good. Going to keep an open mind and see what happens.
Thanks for the heads-up, Ars.
Sometimes comic book movies involving characters other than the dozen or so everyone knows pull it off. What's a "guardian of the galaxy?" Turns out... a compelling character or six that are worth at least three movies. Sometimes no so much.
Hopefully Kraven is one of those characters who has enough depth and personality that this is good. Going to keep an open mind and see what happens.
Thanks for the heads-up, Ars.
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IMO watching these 'first x minutes' trailers ruins the experience of watching an entire movie for the first time. The only time that I didn't mind a long preview was when The Dark Knight came out, and I highly doubt that this movie would be as high quality as TDK.
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Considering promotion is kicking up a week or two before release date, and the positioning just before xmas... A time when Kraven can ride thru the holiday season cuz there's not much for competition.
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Considering the level of "X"CU offerings being released, and the apparent expectation on the part of executives to tap that well every time they run out of anything original (which they basically did by 2012 after the first phase was released), I expect little from this. It all got stupid in that what you got after 2012 was not as engaging as what came before had been. The novelty ran out.
Once they ran out of superheroes that could draw a little crowd, they began throwing obscure, little-mentioned villains on the barbie as their way of introducing novelty. The trouble as I see it is that when they introduced novelty in the past, it was by introducing characters MOST EVERYONE heard of. MOSTLY the heroes.
Times were good for people who'd heard of them. The film franchise thrived.
Today, we hear of very obscure folks (villain or not) who got maybe a short run and never inked another panel after they were done. Very few know them. Even fewer care. And they dress that pig up like the queen of the ball. Most of the time, that tanks. Rarely does it work. And when it works best, it's usually humorous and entertaining.
We have enough fucking angst in the world today to have any shits to give about seeing villains do their thing other than maybe having them repeatedly bash their faces into the fists of the good guys.
In some stylish, Matrix-like, slow-mo, unrealistic manner, of course.
IMHO, if it doesn't have enough grins per minute and guffaws per hour, it's not worth watching
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This is definitely part of Sony's attempt at a live-action spiderverse. The first 8 minutes are pretty strong IMO, but as other posters have already said a strong open does not always a good movie make...
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Venom 2 was too corny for me, Morbius was a bore but I like to see Matt Smith paid, and I never bothered with Madame Web. The first trailer I saw of Kraven piqued my interest. I am not familiar with the character beyond possible vague recollections from 90s animated Spider-Man. I think it has potential but I can't bring my kid to it so I won't catch it in theaters, but home video is looking promising.
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Some jacked up dude killing a bunch of other dudes is just kind of boring these days, you know?
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Nope. Hard pass. After the garbage that Sony has put out with the Marvel characters for which they currently own the license, I’m flat out refusing to see any of them because:
A) They’ll more than likely be absolute trash.
B) I want them to fail hard enough that Sony will finally give up, and sell the license for these characters back to Marvel, who has a much greater chance of making decent movies with them.
So, sorry Aaron Taylor-Johnson! I appreciate you as an actor and have really enjoyed some of your work. But I won’t be seeing this one.
A) They’ll more than likely be absolute trash.
B) I want them to fail hard enough that Sony will finally give up, and sell the license for these characters back to Marvel, who has a much greater chance of making decent movies with them.
So, sorry Aaron Taylor-Johnson! I appreciate you as an actor and have really enjoyed some of your work. But I won’t be seeing this one.
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Even when I like the characters or actors involved in these, I find them hard to enjoy when my subconscious never shuts up with the question, "Ok, but then where is Spider-man?"
While I know the answer to that question, it doesn't make it any easier when these villains established stories are so dependent on being foils to this other character who will never appear. It's like a cinematic universe by way of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead - you need a really worthwhile story to tell for side characters to take the spotlight and Sony hasn't done that.
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So, you're saying it peaks around the 7-minute mark and goes downhill from there?
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Man, I know a guy who went on an ayahuasca retreat and all he got was some shitty hallucinations and barfing out his childhood trauma
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I will do the same. Except for deciding if I will pay to see it. Chances are their review will be all you need.
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Artem S. Tashkinov
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Various AI companies have had the technology to translate any [actor's] voice into any language for years.
And while Aaron Taylor-Johnson's attempt to speak Russian is commendable, half of what he says is unintelligible and I'm a native Russian speaker.
It's just sad.
And of course the portrayal of a Russian prison is wildly grossly inaccurate. Nothing new.
And while Aaron Taylor-Johnson's attempt to speak Russian is commendable, half of what he says is unintelligible and I'm a native Russian speaker.
It's just sad.
And of course the portrayal of a Russian prison is wildly grossly inaccurate. Nothing new.
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I don't know. My memory of Kraven the Hunter is that he's more high-camp than gritty realism. Maybe I'm misremembering, I'm not a huge fan, and most of my reading of the character comes from his appearances in titles like Squirrell Girl and the more recent She Hulk runs (not the latest, which I haven't caught up on). But, from my memory, which I admit may be incorrect, even in Spider-Man he's less a grim-dark bad guy.
So to me, this feels like Zack Snyder making a gritty Condiment King origin movie.
Also, I may be wrong on this, as well, but I thought Rhino was just a guy in a suit. He didn't have rhinoceros based powers, he was just a beefy guy in a rhino-shaped suit. (Actually, checking on the Marvel Wiki, looks like he did have super-strength, but the rhino theme was just a gimmick.)
So to me, this feels like Zack Snyder making a gritty Condiment King origin movie.
Also, I may be wrong on this, as well, but I thought Rhino was just a guy in a suit. He didn't have rhinoceros based powers, he was just a beefy guy in a rhino-shaped suit. (Actually, checking on the Marvel Wiki, looks like he did have super-strength, but the rhino theme was just a gimmick.)
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I dunno. I can still enjoy rewatching any John Wick movie. Nobody was wildly under-appreciated. Both Crank movies were way more entertaining than they had any right to be. Black Adam was fun. Deadpool & Wolverine was a lot better than I expected.
There are still ways to make a generic revenge spree or superhero movie interesting. I guess it depends on the lead; not sure if ATJ is that guy or not.
Also all those movies had a healthy sense of humor. If this is another grimdark tale, it might be bad.
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Kraven is a weird one because his most famous story is very, very dark, but he is also a very campy character, so he vacillates a lot depending on how the writer wants to use him.
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I'm getting 80s B movie vibes. Like Yor Hunter from the Future and Hawk the Slayer.
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Kraven was the main villain in the Spider-Man 2 PS5 game so they’re probably banking on name recognition from that.
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This just crystallizes for me why I'm so bored with superhero movies.
If I didn't already know the subject matter, I'd assume this was a movie about the modern Russian gulag. Then I'd be reminded that I read Alexi Navalny's Prison Diaries, which were about 10,000 times more worthy as subject matter for a movie than some D-level superhero character nobody's heard of.
Why isn't this movie Alexi Navalny's Prison Diaries instead? Why are millions of dollars being continually frittered away on utter crap?
If I didn't already know the subject matter, I'd assume this was a movie about the modern Russian gulag. Then I'd be reminded that I read Alexi Navalny's Prison Diaries, which were about 10,000 times more worthy as subject matter for a movie than some D-level superhero character nobody's heard of.
Why isn't this movie Alexi Navalny's Prison Diaries instead? Why are millions of dollars being continually frittered away on utter crap?
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I wanted to make a Mean Girls meme of "Stop trying to make 'Spider-man universe with Spider-man' happen" but it is currently happening. They've done it. I just wonder how many L's they have to take before they stop.
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Ugh, it's still just so cheesy. Guy can climb walls and rip open grates. It probably would have been easier and smarter to break into the prison. Regardless, he made his kill, then got to the outside in about 15 seconds. The guards spotted him on a roof almost immediately. Those are amazing guards. You're dodging bullets by running on all fours. Then he's running full tilt into a storm where a plane is waiting, with pilots. I know that I always have to suspend disbelief, but why do filmmakers have to make it so hard for me?
Break into the prison. Show he's stealthy.
That guard you killed? Take his gear and commandeer a guard vehicle. Probably too cliche but shows he's at least adaptable. Or don't kill the guard and only kill your target, sight unseen, then slip away.
Big plane with pilots that have presumably been sitting and waiting for X number of hours? No - small plane stashed somewhere awkward that you have to use your strength to get setup to fly. Why is he reliant on others?
A little restraint goes a long way for me instead of "what do we think is the coolest thing we can do in any situation".
Break into the prison. Show he's stealthy.
That guard you killed? Take his gear and commandeer a guard vehicle. Probably too cliche but shows he's at least adaptable. Or don't kill the guard and only kill your target, sight unseen, then slip away.
Big plane with pilots that have presumably been sitting and waiting for X number of hours? No - small plane stashed somewhere awkward that you have to use your strength to get setup to fly. Why is he reliant on others?
A little restraint goes a long way for me instead of "what do we think is the coolest thing we can do in any situation".
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Characters are only as interesting as what you do with them
.. in this case,it appears, Not much
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Guessing by the director's past work it will be... competent, well-acted, slightly dull and a bit self-serious.
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My only familiarity with Kraven is from the game Spiderman 2. I found him an uninteresting villain with no real personality, a powerset that didn't seem that interesting (incredible physical strength that somehow managed to be very dull, futuristic weapons that made me wonder why he bothered, given his strength, and an army of minions), and none of which seemed to fit much with the hunter theme. The opening seems similarly uninspired, unfortunately.
I think you really need to give a villain a lot of personality if you want them to be the focus of a movie, but he doesn't really seem to have any.
I think you really need to give a villain a lot of personality if you want them to be the focus of a movie, but he doesn't really seem to have any.
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Cap'nAwesome
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Looks pretty Kick-Ass to me.
I'll wait for the reviews but it could make for a good matinee with my teens.
I'll wait for the reviews but it could make for a good matinee with my teens.
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I'm 99% sure this movie will bomb because this is a high budget R-rated comic book movie about a villain/anithero who's barely known outside of the comics. I'm sure thats a big reason why Sony released this video ahead of its release, and assuming the "bloody violence and strong language" isnt an integral part of the movie, why there will likely be a PG-13 cut of this film released within 6 months.
But honestly, this footage looks...decent as far as Sony Marvel movies go (and believe me, that is a low bar to clear considering the Venom movies, Morbius and Madame Web). Nothing groundbreaking, but if the rest of the movie is like that, it could at least be entertaining.
But honestly, this footage looks...decent as far as Sony Marvel movies go (and believe me, that is a low bar to clear considering the Venom movies, Morbius and Madame Web). Nothing groundbreaking, but if the rest of the movie is like that, it could at least be entertaining.
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If it hadn’t had multiple rounds of reshoots / revamps / revisions ‘strategic’ or otherwise there might had been a chance
Kraven in comics is a distinctive unique old school character who had a successful major reboot not too long ago that resurrected the character as a dramatic and semi tragic character … an obsessive and compulsive trophy hunter driven by a suicidal urge to be bested. - and then killed him off in a epic manner
even as part of the whole lame sony spider-verse without a spiderman there was plenty that could have been done with him and his back story as a compelling antihero that could have been the basis of a fun and compelling action movie
.. making him into an pretty boy mystical shamanic animal—man powered PETA crusader with a oedipus complex about his Russian mobster father is a bit of an iffy choice
but fits very very well with what hollywood producers think are key plot points
(he just needs to battle a giant mechanical spider at the end)
But the Rhino revamped - my god that looks ill judged..
also the whole Africa without Africans vibe
.. as well as the horribly unimaginative logic and physics defying powerset and one man army John wick killing spree without the skills action scenes That stuff just doesn’t inspired much confidence
this is set up to be Morbius with slightly less ego .. which in principle isn’t a bad direction but very likely will only result in yet another paint by numbers plot fit it in post cgi nonsense that we keep being fed
I’m a huge comic fan, as well as of cheesy action b-movies
(for better and worse -I’ve actually worked in both industries)
when crafted with passion and care almost nothing is a more enjoyable way to spend an afternoon
I would love this not to disappoint
unfortunately I can smell the indifference on this production from here
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I might watch Morbius 2 just for giggles, Kraven just doesn't really grab me at all and that's largely Sony's track record with this franchise.
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I went into Morbius only expecting it to be bad enough to be entertaining and I still left the theatre feeling like I was ripped off for both my time and money. Genuinely one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
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It's what I've always seen as the James Bond problem. "This is the best spy in the world..." who always gets discovered and caught immediately. Sure, he can then fight his way out every time, but that's just being a good soldier/killer, not a great spy.
If Kraven is supposed to be an incredible hunter, show those skills and respect them. Perfect example, Riddick (in the good movies). He genuinely feels like a skilled assassin, not just an unstoppable killer.
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