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[daveishereagain]

I'm out. It's obvious we've got a troll. I've reached my limit of stupid talk.
Later.

 

[Snark218]

WHAT IF all of these sophists just like to silence dissent, like Sophocles being condemned to drink hemlock-poison, because HE was 'dangerous', a 'denier', who prodded people to ask questions?

I think you mean the philosopher, Socrates -- not the tragedian.

Yep, nice to see that somebody got the in-joke...

Quit while you're ahead, troll. You're in way over your head.

Well, that went downhill to ad-hominem attacks quickly.
Hmm, I'll see your Socrates, and raise you Xenophon's 'Anabasis'...

Ork ork ork ork ork

 

[seraphimcaduto]

Yet the Orange One was reinstated 20 minutes ago….I was just getting used to ignoring Trump, but looks like I’m out.

Edit: forgot to mention that a tweet was sent out at 8:08PM EST by the ex president that lost his election and should learn how to lose gracefully.

 

[daveishereagain]

You think conservatives give a shit about democracy?

Yes, you've been in a coma these past 6 years.

Conservatives decided to kill democracy on August 8, 1974.

Try 1861. A bunch of states succeeded because they lost an election.

(ahem, seceded)

 

[TheDudeAbides]

What an odd turn of events. I thought the richest man in the world was above the law, yet he has been held to it and had to purchase twitter, and now he's clearly received a phone call to keep Trump banned until after the midterms.

Huh.

What glorious nonsense at the end of that. Has he "clearly" received a phone call, or are you just saying shit to say it? What makes you think that? Nothing? Just saying stuff on the internet because you can. Gotcha. You believe whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[Alfonse]

You think conservatives give a shit about democracy?

Yes, you've been in a coma these past 6 years.

Conservatives decided to kill democracy on August 8, 1974.

It was more like the mid-1960s when all the "moral majority" fundamentalist types switched from the Democratic party to Republican party over the civil rights act and started using white grievance and fear as part of the "southern strategy". They're the ones who have long dreamed of replacing democracy with a white christian nationalist state.

Nothing changed. Democrats continue to believe they own black people. Remember when Biden challenged the blackness of someone if they didn’t vote Dem? We all remember.

We also remember that however badly Democrats are as a friend to us, Republicans are infinitely worse.

We remember that it's Republicans who explicitly want to deny us the right to vote. We remember that it's Republicans who are fine with cops murdering us in the street for no good reason. We remember that it's Republicans who demonized us for decades as criminals and thugs.

It'd be great if we had more options. But pretending that a white man appropriating the right to judge the Blackness of someone based on their views is equal to wanting to take our rights and kill us in the streets is utterly absurd.

 

[Snark218]

Yet the Orange One was reinstated 20 minutes ago….I was just getting used to ignoring Trump, but looks like I’m out.

God fucking dammit, I hate this timeline so much. Mother fucker.

 

[TheDudeAbides]

Yet the Orange One was reinstated 20 minutes ago….I was just getting used to ignoring Trump, but looks like I’m out.

Um... no he wasn't? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

 

[aerogems]

You think conservatives give a shit about democracy?

Yes, you've been in a coma these past 6 years.

Conservatives decided to kill democracy on August 8, 1974.

Try 1861. A bunch of states succeeded because they lost an election.

(ahem, seceded)

They succeeded in seceding for a few years, then were forcibly dragged back into the union at the point of a musket, and have been bitching about it ever since. If we knew then what we know now, we should have forced them back just to kick them out. Treated them more like a vassal state than a full-fledged member of the union. Live and learn I guess.

 

[ilidd]

]

Two-Man Butt Trombone is a good album name.

What's the band, in that case? Obviously the genre is polkabilly.

Self-Titled album

Edit:

The Brown Notes, obviously.

What else are you gonna call a brASS band?

Damn it, take your upvote ninja…

 

[watermeloncup]

Yet the Orange One was reinstated 20 minutes ago….I was just getting used to ignoring Trump, but looks like I’m out.

Um... no he wasn't? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

No mention of that in either CNN or NYT either.

 

[hestermofet]

WHAT IF- The accusation that someone is MAGA, an “election denier,” a “climate denier,” a “data denier,” etc., is just a deceptive way for the CENSOR to be a “free speech denier,”-
that is, of denying one’s political opponent the right to express their opinion?

WHAT IF all of these sophists just like to silence dissent, like Sophocles being condemned to drink hemlock-poison, because HE was 'dangerous', a 'denier', who prodded people to ask questions?

Does anybody remember the ACLU of Skokie, which actually fought for free-speech, no matter WHO disliked what people said?

"In 1978, the ACLU took a controversial stand for free speech by defending a neo-Nazi group that wanted to march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie..."
www. aclu. org/ other/ aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

I don't know why free speech absolutists keep referring to these dead assholes from 3000 years ago as if they were some kind of hero. They were assholes to everyone who lived around them. Society punished them for a reason. Maybe poison hemlock was appropriate 3000 years ago, a Twitter ban is more appropriate punishment today. Because no matter how much fascists love to fawn over Ancient Greece, it was a barbaric society. They had fucking slaves, including jerkwads like Socrates.

Keep waiting for the "oh wait, maybe WE'RE the bad guys" moment to arrive for free speech absolutist, but it never does.

 

[arsisloam]

Twitter isn't the government. They have the First Amendment right of Freedom of Association. The government of Chicago doesn't.
You don't get to cherry pick which parts of the First Amendment you like and which ones you don't.

Unfortunately, the U.S. Government does - it creates a special agency, JUST IN TIME to censor Twitter (and currently appears to have direct a direct connection to censor Facebook & Instagram). When people with a .gov email can specifically direct social media to remove messages that they don't like - that direct government connection implicates the First Amendement.

"The disinformation board was announced shortly after billionaire Elon Musk reached an initial deal to buy Twitter in order to implement pro-free speech and anti-censorship reforms — heightening suspicion that it would be used by the administration as a bludgeon against free expression."
nypost. com/ 2022/ 10/ 31/ feds-keep-facebook-censorship-portal-despite-dhs-disinfo-board-demise/

People in the USA are drowning in conspiracies and disinfo because of the actions of other nation-states that are amplifying the stupid. Should the government just sit back and watch that happen?

It was fine when these conspiracy people were relegated to Coast to Coast AM. It's not fine when the stupid spreads to leaders of a major political party and threatens to destroy democracy.

 

[TheDudeAbides]

"In 1978, the ACLU took a controversial stand for free speech by defending a neo-Nazi group that wanted to march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie..."
www. aclu. org/ other/ aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

Tell me you don't understand National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie without telling me you don't understand Skokie.

Put away your strawman-argument (it's past Halloween).
I'm quite familiar with the case, constitutional law 'in-Jeopardy', entire bar exam section on that issue-
I'll let YOU explain the parts that all those contemporary constitutional law essayists missed...

snip- Twitter isn't a government body, so Skokie doesn't apply. Should be obvious.

Yet, it does, because the U.S. Govt. created an agency obviously directed at government-directed censorship of free-speech which people with .gov email address disliked-
Rather like 'Blackwater' or 'Air America' (curse you SNL for Fawn Hall skits "classified documents are comfortable and absorbent...")
When government creates a portal which allows direct direction to censor and delete specific points of view, it implicates the 1st Amendment.
Not THAT much different from issues with nationalizing manufacturing, or the wheat to feed 'Filburn's Chicken' (I hope somebody at a law-school cafeteria uses that for their menu)...

The amount of glue sniffing required for this to make sense is mind boggling.

 

[CatBus]

You think conservatives give a shit about democracy?

Yes, you've been in a coma these past 6 years.

Conservatives decided to kill democracy on August 8, 1974.

Try 1861. A bunch of states succeeded because they lost an election.

Seceded. But, strangely, they also succeeded more than you'd expect after their eventual crushing military defeat. The 15th amendment counterintuitively increased the electoral power of the South. Now as long as Reconstruction was in place, elections could be policed and kept fair, but as soon as Reconstruction ended (thanks Hayes, you sucked), all those southern states were suddenly in the position of having millions of new voters in terms of apportionment, but being able to prevent their votes from being counted. Thus, every southern white vote had more weight than every northern vote.

And now here we are with gerrymandering, doing the same work over a century later. Except northern states can join in (thanks Wisconsin, your maps also suck) to ensure the continued "success" of the 1861 insurrectionists.

 

[Chemical Tribe]

You think conservatives give a shit about democracy?

Yes, you've been in a coma these past 6 years.

Conservatives decided to kill democracy on August 8, 1974.

It was more like the mid-1960s when all the "moral majority" fundamentalist types switched from the Democratic party to Republican party over the civil rights act and started using white grievance and fear as part of the "southern strategy". They're the ones who have long dreamed of replacing democracy with a white christian nationalist state.

Nothing changed. Democrats continue to believe they own black people. Remember when Biden challenged the blackness of someone if they didn’t vote Dem? We all remember.

No. I do remember all the times Republicans have sought to disenfranchise black voters, how Republican campaign ads routinely show black and brown people as scary criminals who need to be locked up, and Republican redlining efforts in cities, to name three.

And a certain poster the other day who had to make sure to specify what skin color the robber was....

 

[watermeloncup]

Yet the Orange One was reinstated 20 minutes ago….I was just getting used to ignoring Trump, but looks like I’m out.

Um... no he wasn't? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

No mention of that in either CNN or NYT either.

Honestly I hope I’m wrong, this just popped up in my feed:

https://twitter.com/reaidonaldjtru_/sta ... NC_f2sibDg

How do we know that's not a spoof account?

 

[TheDudeAbides]

OMG, are you guy that gullible? Seriously? Do you honestly think that is actually Donald Trump? ROFL

Hey.... Since you think that, would you mind sending me some Bitcoin so that in can get you direct access to him? Really. i really really can. I promise.



The stupidity, God help us all....

 

[Chemical Tribe]

Yet the Orange One was reinstated 20 minutes ago….I was just getting used to ignoring Trump, but looks like I’m out.

Um... no he wasn't? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

He got around it apparently:

https://twitter.com/reaidonaldjtru_/sta ... NC_f2sibDg

That's been there since Aug.

 

[terrydactyl]

"In 1978, the ACLU took a controversial stand for free speech by defending a neo-Nazi group that wanted to march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie..."
www. aclu. org/ other/ aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

Tell me you don't understand National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie without telling me you don't understand Skokie.

Put away your strawman-argument (it's past Halloween).
I'm quite familiar with the case, constitutional law 'in-Jeopardy', entire bar exam section on that issue-
I'll let YOU explain the parts that all those contemporary constitutional law essayists missed...

snip- Twitter isn't a government body, so Skokie doesn't apply. Should be obvious.

Yet, it does, because the U.S. Govt. created an agency obviously directed at government-directed censorship of free-speech which people with .gov email address disliked-
Rather like 'Blackwater' or 'Air America' (curse you SNL for Fawn Hall skits "classified documents are comfortable and absorbent...")
When government creates a portal which allows direct direction to censor and delete specific points of view, it implicates the 1st Amendment.
Not THAT much different from issues with nationalizing manufacturing, or the wheat to feed 'Filburn's Chicken' (I hope somebody at a law-school cafeteria uses that for their menu)...

I'm sure you think you're making sense. But to the rest of us your conspiracy theories make you look like a nut. Are you gonna tell us about the chemtrails next?

 

[TheDudeAbides]

Clearly, you'll don't get them.

Clearly. Happy to not be a lawyer. I have too much integrity for the job.

 

[Snark218]

*primal scream into abyss intensifies*

Yet the Orange One was reinstated 20 minutes ago….I was just getting used to ignoring Trump, but looks like I’m out.

Um... no he wasn't? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

*stops, blinks*

Ah. Well. Good. Thank god. Carry on.

 

[seraphimcaduto]

Yet the Orange One was reinstated 20 minutes ago….I was just getting used to ignoring Trump, but looks like I’m out.

Um... no he wasn't? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

He got around it apparently:

https://twitter.com/reaidonaldjtru_/sta ... NC_f2sibDg

That's been there since Aug.

Wow I completely missed that, thank you for the correction and I’m glad I’m wrong!

 

[Oldnoobguy]

WHAT IF all of these sophists just like to silence dissent, like Sophocles being condemned to drink hemlock-poison, because HE was 'dangerous', a 'denier', who prodded people to ask questions?

Um...what?
-snip-
Also, the word sophist doesn't have anything to do with Sophocles.

σοφός

Ooh...He knows how to type in Greek! By your logic, then Protagoras must have either been the guy who first discovered protists or was Sophocles' favorite actor for playing the lead in Oedipus Rex.

 

[seraphimcaduto]

Yet the Orange One was reinstated 20 minutes ago….I was just getting used to ignoring Trump, but looks like I’m out.

Um... no he wasn't? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

No mention of that in either CNN or NYT either.

Honestly I hope I’m wrong, this just popped up in my feed:

https://twitter.com/reaidonaldjtru_/sta ... NC_f2sibDg

How do we know that's not a spoof account?

It looks like it (likely) is one and I completely missed that. I didn’t do my usual due diligence and I’m glad to admit I’m wrong and thank you for pointing it out.

 

[ilidd]

Yet the Orange One was reinstated 20 minutes ago….I was just getting used to ignoring Trump, but looks like I’m out.

Um... no he wasn't? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

No mention of that in either CNN or NYT either.

Honestly I hope I’m wrong, this just popped up in my feed:

https://twitter.com/reaidonaldjtru_/sta ... NC_f2sibDg

How do we know that's not a spoof account?

It looks like it (likely) is one and I completely missed that. I didn’t do my usual due diligence and I’m glad to admit I’m wrong and thank you for pointing it out.

I think you owe Snark a drink or something. Pretty sure that was the beginning of a stroke.

 

[graylshaped]

"In 1978, the ACLU took a controversial stand for free speech by defending a neo-Nazi group that wanted to march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie..."
www. aclu. org/ other/ aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

Tell me you don't understand National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie without telling me you don't understand Skokie.

Put away your strawman-argument (it's past Halloween).
I'm quite familiar with the case, constitutional law 'in-Jeopardy', entire bar exam section on that issue-
I'll let YOU explain the parts that all those contemporary constitutional law essayists missed...

snip- Twitter isn't a government body, so Skokie doesn't apply. Should be obvious.

Yet, it does, because the U.S. Govt. created an agency obviously directed at government-directed censorship of free-speech which people with .gov email address disliked-
Rather like 'Blackwater' or 'Air America' (curse you SNL for Fawn Hall skits "classified documents are comfortable and absorbent...")
When government creates a portal which allows direct direction to censor and delete specific points of view, it implicates the 1st Amendment.
Not THAT much different from issues with nationalizing manufacturing, or the wheat to feed 'Filburn's Chicken' (I hope somebody at a law-school cafeteria uses that for their menu)...

The amount of glue sniffing required for this to make sense is mind boggling.

I think it was a two-tube post.

 

[watermeloncup]

Yet the Orange One was reinstated 20 minutes ago….I was just getting used to ignoring Trump, but looks like I’m out.

Um... no he wasn't? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump

No mention of that in either CNN or NYT either.

Honestly I hope I’m wrong, this just popped up in my feed:

https://twitter.com/reaidonaldjtru_/sta ... NC_f2sibDg

How do we know that's not a spoof account?

It looks like it (likely) is one and I completely missed that. I didn’t do my usual due diligence and I’m glad to admit I’m wrong and thank you for pointing it out.

No worries, happens sometimes

 

[JohnCarter17]

Trump compared to spam; a distinction without a difference.

Spam has to be digested to reach the same state as Trump.

 

[stormcrash]

OMG, are you guy that gullible? Seriously? Do you honestly think that is actually Donald Trump? ROFL

Hey.... Since you think that, would you mind sending me some Bitcoin so that in can get you direct access to him? Really. i really really can. I promise.



The stupidity, God help us all....

I don't think it's even new today, someone mentioned seeing that at lunch yesterday and we pretty much all told them it was fake given the lack of news coverage. That said I was thinking along the lines of photoshop and not a spoof account yesterday

 

[JohnCarter17]

WHAT IF- The accusation that someone is MAGA, an “election denier,” a “climate denier,” a “data denier,” etc., is just a deceptive way for the CENSOR to be a “free speech denier,”-
that is, of denying one’s political opponent the right to express their opinion?

WHAT IF all of these sophists just like to silence dissent, like Sophocles being condemned to drink hemlock-poison, because HE was 'dangerous', a 'denier', who prodded people to ask questions?

Does anybody remember the ACLU of Skokie, which actually fought for free-speech, no matter WHO disliked what people said?

"In 1978, the ACLU took a controversial stand for free speech by defending a neo-Nazi group that wanted to march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie..."
www. aclu. org/ other/ aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

Looks like the freeze peach assholeflutists are here to lecture us about Skokie again.

 

[ZippyPeanut]

WHAT IF- The accusation that someone is MAGA, an “election denier,” a “climate denier,” a “data denier,” etc., is just a deceptive way for the CENSOR to be a “free speech denier,”-
that is, of denying one’s political opponent the right to express their opinion?

WHAT IF all of these sophists just like to silence dissent, like Sophocles being condemned to drink hemlock-poison, because HE was 'dangerous', a 'denier', who prodded people to ask questions?

Does anybody remember the ACLU of Skokie, which actually fought for free-speech, no matter WHO disliked what people said?

"In 1978, the ACLU took a controversial stand for free speech by defending a neo-Nazi group that wanted to march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie..."
www. aclu. org/ other/ aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

Looks like the freeze peach assholeflutists are here to lecture us about Skokie again.

I would pay to see a person play a flute with their ass.

The mouth positioning on a flute makes playing it with your ass impossible. However, a trumpet or a trombone is quite different, especially since you "buzz" through the mouthpiece to get the horn to sound. I can play "Mary Had a Little Lamb" on the trumpet through my ass, but the trombone has proven to be an altogether different beast. You see, with the smaller valve-operated trumpet, I can lay on my back, bring my knees up to both sides of my head with my ass in the air, and reach my arms over the backs of my legs to play the music. The slide-operated trombone, on the other hand, requires acts of contortion that I've yet to master, not to mention excessive beans and garlic prior to the performance.

Zippy, with every post, you demonstrate skills known only to people who do things like play a trumpet with your ass.

Hopefully, you rinsed the mouthpiece thoroughly. And for all the love of God, what do you expel from the spit valve when playing your instrument thusly?

Well, if you'll allow me to toot my own horn, I do indeed have some good skills. People are blowing a lot of hot air and raising quite a stink in this long-winded comment section, and I thought I'd butt in with a variation on a theme.

 

[graylshaped]

only idiots use social media

Says someone posting to a social media site...