Musk meets with critics, says Twitter won’t restore banned users before election

Musk: Twitter will consult civil rights groups before restoring any banned users.

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[ZippyPeanut]

WHAT IF- The accusation that someone is MAGA, an “election denier,” a “climate denier,” a “data denier,” etc., is just a deceptive way for the CENSOR to be a “free speech denier,”-
that is, of denying one’s political opponent the right to express their opinion?

WHAT IF all of these sophists just like to silence dissent, like Sophocles being condemned to drink hemlock-poison, because HE was 'dangerous', a 'denier', who prodded people to ask questions?

Does anybody remember the ACLU of Skokie, which actually fought for free-speech, no matter WHO disliked what people said?

"In 1978, the ACLU took a controversial stand for free speech by defending a neo-Nazi group that wanted to march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie..."
www. aclu. org/ other/ aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

Looks like the freeze peach assholeflutists are here to lecture us about Skokie again.

I would pay to see a person play a flute with their ass.

The mouth positioning on a flute makes playing it with your ass impossible. However, a trumpet or a trombone is quite different, especially since you "buzz" through the mouthpiece to get the horn to sound. I can play "Mary Had a Little Lamb" on the trumpet through my ass, but the trombone has proven to be an altogether different beast. You see, with the smaller valve-operated trumpet, I can lay on my back, bring my knees up to both sides of my head with my ass in the air, and reach my arms over the backs of my legs to play the music. The slide-operated trombone, on the other hand, requires acts of contortion that I've yet to master, not to mention excessive beans and garlic prior to the performance.

Does one need any special parts delivered for a trombone to be capable of such feats?

No, not really. I think I can get by with a homemade extension that attaches to the slide so that my arms don't need to be six feet long to reach sixth position on the horn.

Now, the rusty trombone needs no additional accoutrements (except for another person).

 

[julesverne]

WHAT IF all of these sophists just like to silence dissent, like Sophocles being condemned to drink hemlock-poison, because HE was 'dangerous', a 'denier', who prodded people to ask questions?

Um...what?

Socrates is the one with the hemlock. Sophocles died an old man. The only ones trying to silence him were his sons who wanted him declared mentally unfit due to dementia.

Also, the word sophist doesn't have anything to do with Sophocles.

In any case the implied connection between the genius of Socrates(or Sophocles) and MAGA morons is beyond bizarre.

 

[Sarty]

They did not arrive at their conclusion due to a lack of facts. They arrived at their conclusion due to motivated reasoning, a desire to believe that everyone secretly agrees with them. They do not want to believe that their policies are unpopular; therefore, they believe that the elections that prove this were rigged.

It's important to understand that more than one commentator here traffics in identical motivated reasoning. If Musk did it, or if it would make Musk happy, it is Good. If it harms Musk or gives him a sad, it is Bad.

That's all there is going on upstairs for a few of these folks. They're not hard to spot.

 

[Snark218]

Twitter isn't the government. They have the First Amendment right of Freedom of Association. The government of Chicago doesn't.
You don't get to cherry pick which parts of the First Amendment you like and which ones you don't.

Unfortunately, the U.S. Government does - it creates a special agency, JUST IN TIME to censor Twitter (and currently appears to have direct a direct connection to censor Facebook & Instagram). When people with a .gov email can specifically direct social media to remove messages that they don't like - that direct government connection implicates the First Amendement.

"The disinformation board was announced shortly after billionaire Elon Musk reached an initial deal to buy Twitter in order to implement pro-free speech and anti-censorship reforms — heightening suspicion that it would be used by the administration as a bludgeon against free expression."
nypost. com/ 2022/ 10/ 31/ feds-keep-facebook-censorship-portal-despite-dhs-disinfo-board-demise/

Stop bullshitting, please.

 

[Uragan]

Twitter isn't the government. They have the First Amendment right of Freedom of Association. The government of Chicago doesn't.
You don't get to cherry pick which parts of the First Amendment you like and which ones you don't.

Unfortunately, the U.S. Government does - it creates a special agency, JUST IN TIME to censor Twitter (and currently appears to have direct a direct connection to censor Facebook & Instagram). When people with a .gov email can specifically direct social media to remove messages that they don't like - that direct government connection implicates the First Amendement.

"The disinformation board was announced shortly after billionaire Elon Musk reached an initial deal to buy Twitter in order to implement pro-free speech and anti-censorship reforms — heightening suspicion that it would be used by the administration as a bludgeon against free expression."
nypost. com/ 2022/ 10/ 31/ feds-keep-facebook-censorship-portal-despite-dhs-disinfo-board-demise/

Yeah, understanding and combating disinformation is important, especially if outside state actors are the ones disseminating it. Otherwise we end up where we're at now with mouthbreathers like you who think that the election was stolen despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.

 

[Longmile149]

WHAT IF- The accusation that someone is MAGA, an “election denier,” a “climate denier,” a “data denier,” etc., is just a deceptive way for the CENSOR to be a “free speech denier,”-
that is, of denying one’s political opponent the right to express their opinion?

WHAT IF all of these sophists just like to silence dissent, like Sophocles being condemned to drink hemlock-poison, because HE was 'dangerous', a 'denier', who prodded people to ask questions?

Does anybody remember the ACLU of Skokie, which actually fought for free-speech, no matter WHO disliked what people said?

"In 1978, the ACLU took a controversial stand for free speech by defending a neo-Nazi group that wanted to march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie..."
www. aclu. org/ other/ aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

Looks like the freeze peach assholeflutists are here to lecture us about Skokie again.

I would pay to see a person play a flute with their ass.

The mouth positioning on a flute makes playing it with your ass impossible. However, a trumpet or a trombone is quite different, especially since you "buzz" through the mouthpiece to get the horn to sound. I can play "Mary Had a Little Lamb" on the trumpet through my ass, but the trombone has proven to be an altogether different beast. You see, with the smaller valve-operated trumpet, I can lay on my back, bring my knees up to both sides of my head with my ass in the air, and reach my arms over the backs of my legs to play the music. The slide-operated trombone, on the other hand, requires acts of contortion that I've yet to master, not to mention excessive beans and garlic prior to the performance.

Does one need any special parts delivered for a trombone to be capable of such feats?

No, not really. I think I can get by with a homemade extension that attaches to the slide so that my arms don't need to be six feet long to reach sixth position on the horn.

Now, the rusty trombone needs no additional accoutrements (except for another person).

Two-Man Butt Trombone is a good album name.

 

[Uragan]

Does anybody remember the ACLU of Skokie, which actually fought for free-speech, no matter WHO disliked what people said?

"In 1978, the ACLU took a controversial stand for free speech by defending a neo-Nazi group that wanted to march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie..."
www. aclu. org/ other/ aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

Tell me you don't understand National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie without telling me you don't understand Skokie.

 

[Fatesrider]

Problem is, he's already intervened. Mark Finchem, a candidate for AZ Sec of State, had his ban overturned this week.

His wasn't a lifetime ban or de-platforming. I never could find what got him banned in the first place.

Yeah, it was.

Musk fixed it after a personal request. (Caveat: The Daily Beast isn't the most reliable place for news.)

Fincham is a terrorist of the worst order and shouldn't be allowed to speak in public. I expect he'll be arrested for issuing terrorist threats in the near future.

 

[YetAnotherPoster]

Twitter has already allowed access for hitherto banned far right people and groups in the UK, I guess that means the UK doesn't need any civil rights groups to be consulted because... reasons.

Banned British far-right figures return to Twitter within hours of takeover

 

[watermeloncup]

WHAT IF all of these sophists just like to silence dissent, like Sophocles being condemned to drink hemlock-poison, because HE was 'dangerous', a 'denier', who prodded people to ask questions?

Um...what?

Socrates is the one with the hemlock. Sophocles died an old man. The only ones trying to silence him were his sons who wanted him declared mentally unfit due to dementia.

Also, the word sophist doesn't have anything to do with Sophocles.

In any case the implied connection between the genius of Socrates(or Sophocles) and MAGA morons is beyond bizarre.

It's almost cute to see MAGAts attempting to use lessons from ancient Greece.

 

[roman]

I think the calculus here is pretty simple (Occam's Razor and all that). Musk walked in talking a great game about free speech and bans but now that he's tens-of-billions deep on this acquisition he has a sudden, mysterious desire to turn his new purchase profitable. As it turns out that requires both advertisers and users to be on-board with your policies. Surprising no one, the course of action that keeps those groups onboard is eerily similar to the one taken by the previous executives - it is as if they, too, had a financial reason to make the platform profitable and had been thinking about how to do that for literally years.

I think they saw the number of account deactivations after a hint about unbanning Trump. He probably got plenty of messages from advertisers and celebrities saying they won't hesitate to ditch if they morph into anything like Parlor-TruthSocial-Gab-Gettr.

 

[daveishereagain]

WHAT IF all of these sophists just like to silence dissent, like Sophocles being condemned to drink hemlock-poison, because HE was 'dangerous', a 'denier', who prodded people to ask questions?

Um...what?

Socrates is the one with the hemlock. Sophocles died an old man. The only ones trying to silence him were his sons who wanted him declared mentally unfit due to dementia.

Also, the word sophist doesn't have anything to do with Sophocles.

In any case the implied connection between the genius of Socrates(or Sophocles) and MAGA morons is beyond bizarre.

Stop with your libril truths! TRUTHS! TRUTHS! TRUTHS! The truths must STOP!!!!

(I've already read too much drek from the MAGA heads I may have do a cleansing.)

 

[Snark218]

]

Two-Man Butt Trombone is a good album name.

What's the band, in that case? Obviously the genre is polkabilly.

 

[aerogems]

You think conservatives give a shit about democracy?

Yes, you've been in a coma these past 6 years.

Conservatives decided to kill democracy on August 8, 1974.

It was more like the mid-1960s when all the "moral majority" fundamentalist types switched from the Democratic party to Republican party over the civil rights act and started using white grievance and fear as part of the "southern strategy". They're the ones who have long dreamed of replacing democracy with a white christian nationalist state.

 

[watermeloncup]

WHAT IF all of these sophists just like to silence dissent, like Sophocles being condemned to drink hemlock-poison, because HE was 'dangerous', a 'denier', who prodded people to ask questions?

I think you mean the philosopher, Socrates -- not the tragedian.

Yep, nice to see that somebody got the in-joke...

That's cute how you're pretending that you actually knew the difference when writing that.

 

[daveishereagain]

WHAT IF all of these sophists just like to silence dissent, like Sophocles being condemned to drink hemlock-poison, because HE was 'dangerous', a 'denier', who prodded people to ask questions?

I think you mean the philosopher, Socrates -- not the tragedian.

Yep, nice to see that somebody got the in-joke...

That's cute how you're pretending that you actually knew the difference when writing that.

It's an old fallback they use. They can't breathe without lying.

 

[Uragan]

Looks like the freeze peach assholeflutists are here to lecture us about Skokie again.

I would pay to see a person play a flute with their ass.

The mouth positioning on a flute makes playing it with your ass impossible. However, a trumpet or a trombone is quite different, especially since you "buzz" through the mouthpiece to get the horn to sound. I can play "Mary Had a Little Lamb" on the trumpet through my ass, but the trombone has proven to be an altogether different beast. You see, with the smaller valve-operated trumpet, I can lay on my back, bring my knees up to both sides of my head with my ass in the air, and reach my arms over the backs of my legs to play the music. The slide-operated trombone, on the other hand, requires acts of contortion that I've yet to master, not to mention excessive beans and garlic prior to the performance.

Does one need any special parts delivered for a trombone to be capable of such feats?

No, not really. I think I can get by with a homemade extension that attaches to the slide so that my arms don't need to be six feet long to reach sixth position on the horn.

Now, the rusty trombone needs no additional accoutrements (except for another person).

Two-Man Butt Trombone is a good album name.

What if it's something a bit more lower in pitch? Would it be "Two-butt Tuba"?

 

[DarthSlack]

]

Two-Man Butt Trombone is a good album name.

What's the band, in that case? Obviously the genre is polkabilly.

Colonoscopy. Might shift the genre to punk polkabilly though.

 

[charliebird]

That dude sure craves attention.

 

[daveishereagain]

WHAT IF all of these sophists just like to silence dissent, like Sophocles being condemned to drink hemlock-poison, because HE was 'dangerous', a 'denier', who prodded people to ask questions?

I think you mean the philosopher, Socrates -- not the tragedian.

Yep, nice to see that somebody got the in-joke...

Quit while you're ahead, troll. You're in way over your head.

 

[graylshaped]

Wait, is this good or bad?

Republicans can continue to complain about being "silenced" and conspired against to fuel manufactured outrage right up until the election.

OTOH, bringing them back will bring all the hate speech, misinformation and conspiracy theories into the mainstream channels.

It's something of a lose-lose situation, but at least we don't have to hear their screeching on Twitter for another week or so.

Having deleted my account ten years ago, I don't hear their screeching on Twitter anyway. Just on other sources amplifying it, beyond all rational responsibility.

 

[Longmile149]

]

Two-Man Butt Trombone is a good album name.

What's the band, in that case? Obviously the genre is polkabilly.

The Brown Notes, obviously.

What else are you gonna call a brASS band?

 

[Snark218]

You think conservatives give a shit about democracy?

Yes, you've been in a coma these past 6 years.

Conservatives decided to kill democracy on August 8, 1974.

It was more like the mid-1960s when all the "moral majority" fundamentalist types switched from the Democratic party to Republican party over the civil rights act and started using white grievance and fear as part of the "southern strategy". They're the ones who have long dreamed of replacing democracy with a white christian nationalist state.

Nothing changed. Democrats continue to believe they own black people. Remember when Biden challenged the blackness of someone if they didn’t vote Dem? We all remember.

"We" being whom, exactly, people who have to sound out the big words watching Tucker Carlson? Fuck off with this nonsense.

 

[graylshaped]

Looks like the freeze peach assholeflutists are here to lecture us about Skokie again.

I would pay to see a person play a flute with their ass.

The mouth positioning on a flute makes playing it with your ass impossible. However, a trumpet or a trombone is quite different, especially since you "buzz" through the mouthpiece to get the horn to sound. I can play "Mary Had a Little Lamb" on the trumpet through my ass, but the trombone has proven to be an altogether different beast. You see, with the smaller valve-operated trumpet, I can lay on my back, bring my knees up to both sides of my head with my ass in the air, and reach my arms over the backs of my legs to play the music. The slide-operated trombone, on the other hand, requires acts of contortion that I've yet to master, not to mention excessive beans and garlic prior to the performance.

Does one need any special parts delivered for a trombone to be capable of such feats?

No, not really. I think I can get by with a homemade extension that attaches to the slide so that my arms don't need to be six feet long to reach sixth position on the horn.

Now, the rusty trombone needs no additional accoutrements (except for another person).

Two-Man Butt Trombone is a good album name.

I could go with that, and suggest "A Butt Tuba Backwards" is another good one.

 

[TheDudeAbides]

I wonder what Musk would have said if they brought up his own retweet of lies about Nancy Pelosi's husbands attacker being his gay lover? How can the guy in charge of this be as easily fooled into posting lies himself? As gullible as he is, I would not trust a word he says about how he will handle this.

 

[Snark218]

]

Two-Man Butt Trombone is a good album name.

What's the band, in that case? Obviously the genre is polkabilly.

The Brown Notes, obviously.

What else are you gonna call a brASS band?

God dammit, this is good.

 

[hestermofet]

Banned means banned.
But I'm sure Musko will figure out profitable "unban" fee.

And $4.99/month subscription fee to maintain unbanned status. Unbanned Platinum will run $8.99/month.

"Pay to say", coming soon to Twitter!

Citizens United comes full circle.

 

[watermeloncup]

"In 1978, the ACLU took a controversial stand for free speech by defending a neo-Nazi group that wanted to march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie..."
www. aclu. org/ other/ aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

Tell me you don't understand National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie without telling me you don't understand Skokie.

Put away your strawman-argument (it's past Halloween).
I'm quite familiar with the case, constitutional law 'in-Jeopardy', entire bar exam section on that issue-
I'll let YOU explain the parts that all those contemporary constitutional law essayists missed...

That's some nice word salad there. But Twitter isn't a government body, so Skokie doesn't apply. Should be obvious.

 

[Longmile149]

Looks like the freeze peach assholeflutists are here to lecture us about Skokie again.

I would pay to see a person play a flute with their ass.

The mouth positioning on a flute makes playing it with your ass impossible. However, a trumpet or a trombone is quite different, especially since you "buzz" through the mouthpiece to get the horn to sound. I can play "Mary Had a Little Lamb" on the trumpet through my ass, but the trombone has proven to be an altogether different beast. You see, with the smaller valve-operated trumpet, I can lay on my back, bring my knees up to both sides of my head with my ass in the air, and reach my arms over the backs of my legs to play the music. The slide-operated trombone, on the other hand, requires acts of contortion that I've yet to master, not to mention excessive beans and garlic prior to the performance.

Does one need any special parts delivered for a trombone to be capable of such feats?

No, not really. I think I can get by with a homemade extension that attaches to the slide so that my arms don't need to be six feet long to reach sixth position on the horn.

Now, the rusty trombone needs no additional accoutrements (except for another person).

Two-Man Butt Trombone is a good album name.

I could go with that, and suggest "A Butt Tuba Backwards" is another good one.

I’m kind of upset that I just noticed it’s not a trusty trombone and now I have a few more questions that I don’t want to know the answers to.

 

[graylshaped]

WHAT IF- The accusation that someone is MAGA, an “election denier,” a “climate denier,” a “data denier,” etc., is just a deceptive way for the CENSOR to be a “free speech denier,”-
that is, of denying one’s political opponent the right to express their opinion?

WHAT IF all of these sophists just like to silence dissent, like Sophocles being condemned to drink hemlock-poison, because HE was 'dangerous', a 'denier', who prodded people to ask questions?

Does anybody remember the ACLU of Skokie, which actually fought for free-speech, no matter WHO disliked what people said?

"In 1978, the ACLU took a controversial stand for free speech by defending a neo-Nazi group that wanted to march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie..."
www. aclu. org/ other/ aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

Looks like the freeze peach assholeflutists are here to lecture us about Skokie again.

I would pay to see a person play a flute with their ass.

The mouth positioning on a flute makes playing it with your ass impossible. However, a trumpet or a trombone is quite different, especially since you "buzz" through the mouthpiece to get the horn to sound. I can play "Mary Had a Little Lamb" on the trumpet through my ass, but the trombone has proven to be an altogether different beast. You see, with the smaller valve-operated trumpet, I can lay on my back, bring my knees up to both sides of my head with my ass in the air, and reach my arms over the backs of my legs to play the music. The slide-operated trombone, on the other hand, requires acts of contortion that I've yet to master, not to mention excessive beans and garlic prior to the performance.

Zippy, with every post, you demonstrate skills known only to people who do things like play a trumpet with your ass.

Hopefully, you rinsed the mouthpiece thoroughly. And for all the love of God, what do you expel from the spit valve when playing your instrument thusly?

 

[daveishereagain]

"In 1978, the ACLU took a controversial stand for free speech by defending a neo-Nazi group that wanted to march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie..."
www. aclu. org/ other/ aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

Tell me you don't understand National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie without telling me you don't understand Skokie.

Put away your strawman-argument (it's past Halloween).
I'm quite familiar with the case, constitutional law 'in-Jeopardy', entire bar exam section on that issue-
I'll let YOU explain the parts that all those contemporary constitutional law essayists missed...

Dude, you don't know the difference between a Greek philosopher, a Greek play-write and the meaning of 'sophist'. You're wasting your time ,so it's clear you're a paid troll.

 

[aerogems]

You think conservatives give a shit about democracy?

Yes, you've been in a coma these past 6 years.

Conservatives decided to kill democracy on August 8, 1974.

It was more like the mid-1960s when all the "moral majority" fundamentalist types switched from the Democratic party to Republican party over the civil rights act and started using white grievance and fear as part of the "southern strategy". They're the ones who have long dreamed of replacing democracy with a white christian nationalist state.

Nothing changed. Democrats continue to believe they own black people. Remember when Biden challenged the blackness of someone if they didn’t vote Dem? We all remember.

No. I do remember all the times Republicans have sought to disenfranchise black voters, how Republican campaign ads routinely show black and brown people as scary criminals who need to be locked up, and Republican redlining efforts in cities, to name three.

 

[Akemi]

]

Two-Man Butt Trombone is a good album name.

What's the band, in that case? Obviously the genre is polkabilly.

Obviously they're the Log Cabin Teabaggers.

 

[Alfonse]

You think conservatives give a shit about democracy?

Yes, you've been in a coma these past 6 years.

Conservatives decided to kill democracy on August 8, 1974.

Try 1861. A bunch of states succeeded seceded because they lost an election.

 

[CatBus]

"In 1978, the ACLU took a controversial stand for free speech by defending a neo-Nazi group that wanted to march through the Chicago suburb of Skokie..."
www. aclu. org/ other/ aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

Tell me you don't understand National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie without telling me you don't understand Skokie.

Put away your strawman-argument (it's past Halloween).
I'm quite familiar with the case, constitutional law 'in-Jeopardy', entire bar exam section on that issue-
I'll let YOU explain the parts that all those contemporary constitutional law essayists missed...

Dude, you don't know the difference between a Greek philosopher, a Greek play-write and the meaning of 'sophist'. You're wasting your time ,so it's clear you're a paid troll.

Overpaid troll.