Michigan politicians want to ban Chinese-badged cars from even visiting the US
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However, recalls do tend to indicate that some flaw escaped manufacturing, when it should not have. And not all flaws cause recalls, even some severe design flaws. The Tesla Model Y interior rearview mirror and rear window are too small and essentially useless. The Tesla Cybertruck rearview mirror is worthless when the motorized bed cover is deployed. The Tesla rear passenger emergency door unlockers are hidden or even absent in some Model Y's. No recalls for the very dangerous design flaws.
It may not matter how trivial some recalls are to fix, the fact that they escaped manufacturing is still a manufacturing failure. If a flaw requires a number of specific low probability events to occur, the manufacturer could be forgiven. But many recalls are due to poor workmanship like leaking front windscreens on Ford pickups, was that ever recalled? Or even very poor design choices that are dangerous to users, often done only to save literally pennies per product sold.
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Are you pointing to the list that includes North Korea, China, Russia, Belarus, Myanmar, etc?
I'm thinking more about the graph that shows countries that are trending towards autocracy. That has data up to 2020.
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I think the “-Michigan” is the relevant bit, rather than the letter before. Tribalism, especially with regard to perceived political job security, crosses ideological boundaries when that viewed as necessary. The short term (e.g., the next election cycle) usually also trumps the longer term (encouraging Michigan automakers to have viable products, so a need for those Michigan workers, in 10 years).
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Money quote from that: The USA loses its long-term status as a liberal democracy – for the first time in over 50 years.
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Dire report, but I see (para) barely holding as "democracy", for now, not 'it's not a democracy" (/para)
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But would they trust what Flock tells them? Could Flock be forced to cut them off at any time, or worse, ordered by the US government to give intentionally falsified data/analysis to the foreign agents? Would it be easy for the US to detect the surveillance if the foreign agents are doing business openly with a US company like Flock?
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In this case, it's pure politics. They want the votes of those local workers. They want to stay in office.
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There's a real question in my mind - I'm no economist, but whether in international trade there's such a thing as a free market at all?
Aren't almost all countries to one level or another "cheating" the free market? The USA, China, EU nations etc all offer various subsidies, tariffs, and currency manipulation?
How can you have a free market of competition with a country that is using heavy government intervention to drive all your country's businesses out of business?
Then there's the issue of environmental protections, worker protections, etc. If you are trying to do the right thing as a country, and another country like China is perfectly happy to kill lots of their workers, disable many more, and poison people who live in your country with unclean air, water, and soil, that may give you a distinct cost advantage (externalized costs) that allow you to put competitors in countries with good safety laws out of business do to that cost advantage.
So, I would say there is actually some ideological and logical consistency in saying, "We want a free market inside the USA, but we want protectionism from other countries that make a free market impossible inside the USA if they are permitted to sell into the US market."
I would also add, but most libertarian/conservative types would not, I think, is that I think there are national crises that can arise which necessitate government intervention instead of a free market - like the threat from anthropogenic global warming. I think that really did and does necessitate government subsidies to completely disrupt the market for vehicles and other technology that has been historically based on burning hydrocarbons which contribute to AGW.
Because natural market cycles would take far too long to transition to cleaner energy sources and electrification to use those cleaner sources.
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What makes you think our oligarchic, techbro driven dystopia will be any better? Or even different. George Orwell was an optimist.
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Oldsmobile was the original car company that existed before GM was incorporated. This is why it was desposed of in the reorganisation of GM. Oldsmobiles original sales network, the dealers, where holders of certain clauses in the contracts from the early 1900's that GM wanted out of.
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I'm Canadian, my partner and kids are American. They are the only reason I still cross the boarder "regularly". This asinine attempt to force Canadians to continue to support US-based automotive manufacturers is, well, asinine.
The number of Chinese venichles bering imported into Canada under the new agreement is equivilant to the number of Teslas sold in Canada. "National security" is just the conversation story to the bigh three trying to muscle the Canadian autmotive marketplace.
The number of Chinese venichles bering imported into Canada under the new agreement is equivilant to the number of Teslas sold in Canada. "National security" is just the conversation story to the bigh three trying to muscle the Canadian autmotive marketplace.
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these two reps represent auto workers. it shouldn't be shocking that they're doing things that benefit their constituents.
disappointing, yes. but not surprising.
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I just noticed a flaw in your above. "one bug in the software ends up being 4.4 million recalls."
You described total recalled vehicles while I was describing different vehicle recalls, not a per-vehicle basis, unless I misunderstood what you were saying.
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I say let's accept the fig leaf of rationalizing this ban via data privacy concerns. The correct answer to such a problem is to pass a robust US version of the GDPR that bans data collection and enforces it consistently. The text of the Fourth Amendment is:
Emphasis mine. It doesn't say "by the government," does it.
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Now I understand why Olds was killed. Back in the day, I used to peruse the Consumer Reports reliability statistics, and one American brand, Olds, was up there with Honda and Toyota, and above all of the European brands. Even for GM, a retaliatory killing seemed a little over the top, but if there was contract-breaking involved, that seems pretty plausible.
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I grew up in the Detroit area, and I spent time working at each of the big 3, more than 10 years at one of them. I have sympathy for them, but I also believe it tough love.
They also tried to avoid competing with Japanese cars in their heyday. That didn't work. When they finally got serious, and studied how the Japanese were beating them, they were able to up their game and compete.
That is what needs to happen again now - they need to figure out how to compete with the Chinese.
They also tried to avoid competing with Japanese cars in their heyday. That didn't work. When they finally got serious, and studied how the Japanese were beating them, they were able to up their game and compete.
That is what needs to happen again now - they need to figure out how to compete with the Chinese.
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Sure. The difference being that we can (and will) vote those fuckers out. Good luck doing that in China.
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That's the best part! We just start banning Chinese from even being in the US. Sure they could recruit other spies, so we ban those nations too. Pretty soon no one is allowed and we're spy free!
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Not sure if anyone else has posted this, but Flock doesn't need to sell anything for China to surveil... Benn Jordan did a very enlightening video about these Flock cameras...
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU1-uiUlHTo
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Well, since Selfridge is actually an Air National Guard Base and not an Air Force Base, I'd say the threat is pretty minimal, regardless. Nothing there but airframes made in the 1970s and 1980s, i.e., there's nothing there that anyone might even want to spy on.
The Senator is a whackjob, regardless of the party affiliation. Whackjobs, like everything else are on a spectrum of their own and any other affiliation is secondary.
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I personally owe the domestic car companies a kick in the nuts. Overpriced, unreliable, oversized and inefficient seems to describe most of their current old technology products. Their electric vehicle lineup is just plain miserable and half baked. There is a reason I've been buying import branded cars since I graduated high school - I could afford them on my miserly salary. This hasn't really changed. Detroit no longer makes compact or subcompact cars at all. None.
The idiots in charge of these companies trained us to avoid them and we have. Bring in the Chinese cars. I bet they're as good as anything Detroit makes. Probably better. I currently drive a Volkswagen. A cheap electric would be really cool for my wife as a grocery getter in town.
The idiots in charge of these companies trained us to avoid them and we have. Bring in the Chinese cars. I bet they're as good as anything Detroit makes. Probably better. I currently drive a Volkswagen. A cheap electric would be really cool for my wife as a grocery getter in town.
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I know Trump doesn't care, and therefore his bootlicking lackies don't care, but I expected better from the Democrats. This violates three treaties without looking anything up. Congress can't abrogate a treaty in pieces like this - what's the plan here? Is there one?
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The fear is, if people see with their own eyes that Chinese cars are pretty good, they will start complaining to their congress people about the ban. Also, banning them from entering the US at all might get some Canadian and Mexican car buyers who have to cross the border a lot to buy American instead.
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All good points. But. I'm struck by the better marketing from BYD. "Dolphin" is such a better name than "ID.3."
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Nothing, but I don't think America is quite there, yet.
Citizens should note that the value of their democracy may go down as well as up.
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Having seen a few administrations, I've long since come to the conclusion that anyone who WANTS to run for public office should be banned from running for public office for life.
I get the idealists who want to make life better for everyone, but that's not what we get. We get crusaders bolstered by special interests. That's the inevitable result of elections by "the masses" and unlimited spending, thanks to Citizens United.
Most have grown up well-off or wealthy, few have ever lived a "normal" life where poverty was a thing. Lincoln was a very notable exception in that. Few had any experience as a person who had to work for a living.
I think we should draft our politicians, or require them to go through a "this is a normal American life" training program lasting at LEAST four years before they can run for office. The income would be capped at $25,000/year and they can't use any of their own wealth, or donated funds to them during that time. The IRS would make sure anything they got came from the campaign fund, and report any violations. They have to work as a manual labor volunteer. They have to meet attendance requirements to earn the full amount. They don't get paid vacation time or sick time other than what the state mandates. They can cut a year off of that if they don't work a normal daytime shift.
The idea is to rub their noses in what the rest of us typically have to deal with, and how their bullshit political fuckery screws most people - even their own supporters.
The psychopaths would drop out, and good riddance. The elitists would drop out, and good riddance. The true believers would change their tunes rapidly when their fiscal and social safety nets are severed, and drop out, too.
IMHO, a politician can't do shit "for the people" if they don't know what "the people" are experiencing every fucking day. Yes, I know, they don't CARE about the "people" except to get their vote.
I'd personally like to change that so that uncaring psychopaths can't run the fucking country anymore.
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/s This seems like a great idea. Here is Canada we should do the same thing for all cars made by the country that most recently threatened to destroy us economically as well as threatened to invade the territory of one of our NATO allies.
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RickRoyLeonPrisZhoraRacha
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Don't forget hack into politicians emails and leverage that information...
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I don't agree with them but I can kinda sorta understand the arguments against more foreign cars in the country. But considering how the American car industry has been screwing up my home state of Michigan for at least my entire lifetime it's nearly impossible to fall on their side about anything. Sorry for your troubles big 3, maybe you shouldn't have made so many bad decisions, now kindly go fuck yourselves.
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The US has its own forms of 'social credit' scores. They might not be called that, but if it walks like a duck....
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BS Detector
Smack-Fu Master, in training
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There is, to be fair, a lot more effective industry subsidy in China, but yeah, mostly the problem is that American car companies have increasingly focused on huge expensive cars catering to one of
- Those with a lot of money
- Those with the credit and income to take out a large loan and pay it
- The men who are insecure about their masculinity and buy a giant car on credit they cant afford just to have a huge car
to chase the highest margins possible and in the end priced themselves completely out of anything but the “gigantic truck/suburbitank” market
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