GOP-led Florida House junks DeSantis plan to ease vaccine mandates
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Nothing. But they're actually referring to Medical Freedom(tm). In certain parts of America, "Freedom(tm)" grants you to a hall pass on murder--as long as you do it indirectly.
In this case, it's Medical flavored, which means that you can intentionally create situations which elevate the probability of deadly illness spreading through your family and community. This has been done through refusal to comply with mask and business closure mandates during the COVID lockdowns, and now with anti-vaccine policies.
There's also the ever-popular School flavor, where you can elevate the probability of deadly violence in schools by refusing to make guns harder to obtain.
And let's not forget the Driving flavor, where you can drive your vehicle into or over people who are exercising their First Amendment right to protest.
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I honestly think this medical tyranny thing comes from hospital lobbyists, the more sick people get the more business hospitals get, they're businesses after all in America.
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I mostly believe they were confused by the bill wording rather then getting something right
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As a healthcare worker, about 15 years ago we were preparing for our mandatory influenza vaccinations. One of our departments (about 15 people), all decided to claim a religious objection. When they were told they could do that but doing so would not allow them to get a pay raise, they all decided to get vaccinated. Since the average raise that year was about 25 cents per hour, those 15 or so people completely disregarded their religious convictions for about 20 dollars per week. I suspect that would give old Saint Pete a frowny face.
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We're not dead yet. Our democratic institutions are taking a beating right now, but they are mostly still standing, however bruised. The next few years will tell the tale on whether this "government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall [not] perish from the earth."
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Maybe we should fill up people's social media with this testimonial message? Millions of people all saying the same thing:
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I mean, the tale is already told for plenty of victims not fortunate enough to be part of the right's definition of "people".
It's always worth understanding and remembering when talking about principles that your choices don't just affect you, but also everyone more vulnerable than you. It's why I find "protest" voting so repugnant: it's so often associated with better-off liberals who are fine gambling with other people's lives knowing (implicitly or explicitly) that they're not on the chopping block if they're wrong.
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I got to it in Canada without an issue. I bet GDPR is indeed the issue. It’s trivial to handle — despite that, some lawyers have advised me that it’s super scary and I should avoid Europe at all costs (I didn’t hire those lawyers, but they exist).
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Double-checking the very first word in your quote is … wait, are you from Florida?
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Anything to force people to spend more money is considered good in the USA, even if it reduces life expectancy. We live in a state that farms you for your wealth for an entire lifetime.
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I have a lengthy "if I were God for a day" manifesto about how I'd rebuild the country after the second civil war that would likely address most of the issues we have today. But among them would be that no one ever gets to avoid vaccinations and live in this country just because they want to.
Exemptions would only apply if a board of specialty-specific, health care professionals reviews all of the data and issues an exemption PER VACCINE per person. There would be no blanket exemptions unless there's a clear and well documented danger to the health of the individual for each one we need to have as responsible citizens. And THOSE people would be required to wear a mask in public places.
No legal exceptions. No religious bullshit. This is a public health matter, and if you want to be part of the public in THIS country, you get vaccinated. Vaccinations would be free, easy to get, and on demand (according to how they're scheduled). That would come as part of a nationalized health care program, of course.
AFAIC, making profits on sick people should be illegal and whose who do should be met with the death penalty once convicted. People should never die because they can't afford health care. But people should also never be allowed to avoid their responsibilities to their fellows just because they have a belief, or some delusion, about vaccines.
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Not that it would stop him from being appointed Surgeron General in today's political circus.
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You'd think, but the current head of DHHS is a lawyer, so it's obvious that professional qualifications don't matter for political appointments.
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The U.S. has been a flawed democracy for at least a decade, if not two decades. It’s also been described as an oligarchy as early as 20 years ago, based on what had been happening in the previous decade. It is currently probably best categorized as an electoral autocracy.
The legislature got demolished back in the 1990s, starting under Gingrich and continuing to get weaker ever since. In the 2017-21 presidential term the courts got subverted (and police were already on board) but the Trumpists weren’t organized enough to really subvert the rest of the power system. The Biden term gave them time to make a plan; in the current term they’re hitting the judiciary, military, news media, and elections authorities.
In an electoral autocracy there’s two peaceful ways out: huge electoral majorities — autocrats can easily count away 55%, but 60% requires a lot of creativity, and 65% or more isn’t happening. Otherwise, popular revolt. Either way, those win by the military letting the autocrat know they aren’t willing to shoot at the people, and impressing upon him that he has to go.
The opposition may actually be able to get 60% in the fall, and claw its way back to democracy. I hope you’re actively working to that — volunteer with community groups and your local candidates!
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Iceland is calling for you on line one. Now if you'd said "presidential-system democracies" you'd be correct but parliamentary democracies do pretty well.
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I've decided it's finally time to learn guitar. I bought one last night. Little did I know that the Florida Surgeon General would be naming my folk-punk band in the morning.
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They know which way the wind blows - people overall like vaccines and don't like snot-nosed kids blasting germs everywhere, and people overall don't like Trump, even in Florida. We wouldn't be so red if we weren't gerrymandered.
Trump is gonna have the meltdown of his lifetime once Republicans realize they're toast if they don't turn on him en masse. High gas prices are the one thing big clean leather upholstered truck driving trombone repairmen (it is usually men) won't tolerate. He can murder and trample free speech all he wants, just don't make gas prices rise. They still won't put Trump stickers on the pumps though.
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So Ladapo thinks vaccine mandates are slavery - a law stopping people from maiming or killing others. Does that mean all laws are slavery? They're all "state telling me what I have to do and what I can't do". Libertarianism is ridiculous once you think about it with unclouded eyes. I thought it was cool in my early twenties but then I figured out a few things in life.
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He is (I happened to work at the same hospital department that he did long ago, not outstanding but seemed sane enough). But now obviously his paycheck comes from being Desantis' mouthpiece so he sold his soul quickly. As for the whole license thing, he's not practicing as Surgeon General, so unsure if he needs a license to be that (just like the Joint Chiefs don't actually command troops in combat). probably depends on state rules.
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It doesn't even have to be. The natural environment here is amazing, although becoming less so every day. The economy started with real estate scams, then moved to citrus farming, then tourism which mostly involves semi-scams, trash like alligator rasslin' shows, and finally real estate scams again. The Mafia love to spend winters here, and I'm sure our law making it a 5 year felony to record audio without all parties' consent is something they love and probably lobbied for. * Edit - I want to add one more thing - half the people here speak Russian or Ukrainian - lots of times I'm in public and everyone around me is speaking either Spanish or a Slavic language (I can't tell Slavic languages apart) but only Spanish upsets MAGA people.... Hrrrmm, it's sure hard to figure what that's about!
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I see this occasionally when I click a local news article on a TV station website in Tor browser, I think it's because one of the conglomerates that owns local TV stations has decided it can't be arsed to think about GDPR.
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XSportSeeker
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Good for him for knowing what is best for his kids and making a stance, bad for him because he's about to face the torches and pitchforks from a large portion of his most radical electorate that will likely include death threats, threats of violence, political party shunning, persecution, stalking and all the other stuff Republicans already used against Democrats or just anyone who disagrees with their misinformed ideology of hatred, which will unfortunately also target his kids and family members, but also sorta indifferent to it because he chose his party and platform which actively promotes all of this - so he is at least partially responsible for what's coming.
So... while the decision was right, on a macro scale it's just another chapter into US' descent into a totalitarian dictatorship/theocracy where the rule of the day is led by ignorance and self destructive hubris, with a good mix of conspiratorial thinking added to zealotry.
Wouldn't be surprising if in this political climate the guy gets ousted, DeSantis or Trump himself does something to force it to pass, including using dirty tactics, among other possibilities.
Also, imagine having a Surgeon General that is or pretends to be this ignorant about public health and safety, either for radicalism or for populist political gains. How many inquisitors have the Trump administration put in positions of power so far? And, I'm even afraid to ask this - how many of them actually believe in their personal crusades, versus how many of them are completely corrupt without morals or ethics just toying with laws and legislation with populist thinking in mind just for a personal project for power?
Because some of these proposals are so incredibly and transparently stupid and ignorant that I wouldn't expect it coming from grown adults, let alone from elected representatives.
Somehow, the US has just plunged itself into the second Dark Ages. Worse yet, a Dark Age where ignorance cannot be an excuse. Are this many people this vulnerable and feeble that they cannot avoid falling into these misinformation eco chambers while the entire reality around them keeps giving concrete proof that they are wrong all the time?
How long do we have to wait for these people to wake up from their misinformation slumber, if ever?
Even the statistics of Floridian opposing to end vaccine mandates, I'm not sure if I can see that in a positive light. Sure, it's still a majority, but that's a very borderline majority on a public policy that has completely reversed a hellish reality of millions of kids dying of sickness, millions of people being subject to huge epidemics and pandemics that wiped large portions of the human population through our history, not to mention we just had a huge pandemic that only ended because of large concerted effort and collaboration to come up with a vaccine.
If so many people can become so dumb even in a country like the US, what hope humanity has to prosper and face the huge issues we already have, and are expected to have in the next few decades and centuries?
It's almost like the ethos is coming to prove that the whole spiel Americans are so proud of having built for themselves is not all it's poised to be. And I'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing. I don't want ideologues thinking that American democracy failed so hard it proves democracy isn't the path to follow, but boy oh boy, is America making a big show of it these days... sure, by not being a funcional democracy or capitalist society, with all protections and safeguards stripped from it, but still.
So... while the decision was right, on a macro scale it's just another chapter into US' descent into a totalitarian dictatorship/theocracy where the rule of the day is led by ignorance and self destructive hubris, with a good mix of conspiratorial thinking added to zealotry.
Wouldn't be surprising if in this political climate the guy gets ousted, DeSantis or Trump himself does something to force it to pass, including using dirty tactics, among other possibilities.
Also, imagine having a Surgeon General that is or pretends to be this ignorant about public health and safety, either for radicalism or for populist political gains. How many inquisitors have the Trump administration put in positions of power so far? And, I'm even afraid to ask this - how many of them actually believe in their personal crusades, versus how many of them are completely corrupt without morals or ethics just toying with laws and legislation with populist thinking in mind just for a personal project for power?
Because some of these proposals are so incredibly and transparently stupid and ignorant that I wouldn't expect it coming from grown adults, let alone from elected representatives.
Somehow, the US has just plunged itself into the second Dark Ages. Worse yet, a Dark Age where ignorance cannot be an excuse. Are this many people this vulnerable and feeble that they cannot avoid falling into these misinformation eco chambers while the entire reality around them keeps giving concrete proof that they are wrong all the time?
How long do we have to wait for these people to wake up from their misinformation slumber, if ever?
Even the statistics of Floridian opposing to end vaccine mandates, I'm not sure if I can see that in a positive light. Sure, it's still a majority, but that's a very borderline majority on a public policy that has completely reversed a hellish reality of millions of kids dying of sickness, millions of people being subject to huge epidemics and pandemics that wiped large portions of the human population through our history, not to mention we just had a huge pandemic that only ended because of large concerted effort and collaboration to come up with a vaccine.
If so many people can become so dumb even in a country like the US, what hope humanity has to prosper and face the huge issues we already have, and are expected to have in the next few decades and centuries?
It's almost like the ethos is coming to prove that the whole spiel Americans are so proud of having built for themselves is not all it's poised to be. And I'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing. I don't want ideologues thinking that American democracy failed so hard it proves democracy isn't the path to follow, but boy oh boy, is America making a big show of it these days... sure, by not being a funcional democracy or capitalist society, with all protections and safeguards stripped from it, but still.
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Medical freedom is a good start. How about traffic freedom? I don't want my freedom of movement constrained by "traffic control" devices. Stop stop signs NOW!
Huh? Is that sarcasm dripping like honey from my post you ask? Why yes, yes it is. Industrial strength sarcasm.
Huh? Is that sarcasm dripping like honey from my post you ask? Why yes, yes it is. Industrial strength sarcasm.
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Wait. So I’m supposed to understand that not all GOP want to watch their children and their voter base die in squalor and ignorance, of preventable disease? In Florida no less?
By recent American standards, that’s basically the bloody age of enlightenment right there.
By recent American standards, that’s basically the bloody age of enlightenment right there.
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I think we should check under their beds for pods; we may have an Invasion of the Body Snatchers thing going on here.
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I actually had little doubt, myself. JCS have specific experience in commanding troops in combat, then raised to the level of commanding an entire theater, then the entire branch. I don't expect a SG to be actively practicing while filling that position.
My comment touched on the state of recent political appointments; Bobby the Lesser, a lawyer, not a doctor, is not qualified as DHHS head and Kegsbreath, Army Reserve Major (and reprimanded for failure to follow lawful orders), not 3-4 star general/admiral, is far out of his depth as Secretary of War(crimes). At least Dr. Oz actually achieved PhD.
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Doesn't have to be, but unfortunately I have to deal with what it actually is when I'm there.
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I understand that they see popular revulsion at Trump and are worried for their jobs.
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Once again, the GOP demonstrates that the only "children" they care about are the unborn and that is only to exert domination over a woman's body.
Once the child is born, the GOP doesn't care.
Once the child is born, the GOP doesn't care.
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Only half of it. The state senate was all for it, the house reps decided not to go there.
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"All of them, all of them, all of them, every last one of them,” Ladapo said. “Every last one of them is wrong and drips with disdain and slavery.”
Please excuse me for hoping that very, very, very bad things will happen to this jerk in the hopefully pretty near future. I have a very open mind concerning the specifics. Whatever they are, just make it BAD, thanks.
Please excuse me for hoping that very, very, very bad things will happen to this jerk in the hopefully pretty near future. I have a very open mind concerning the specifics. Whatever they are, just make it BAD, thanks.
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