GOP-led Florida House junks DeSantis plan to ease vaccine mandates

FranzJoseph

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“All of them, all of them, all of them, every last one of them,” Ladapo said. “Every last one of them is wrong and drips with disdain and slavery.”
The sheer chutzpah* of that leaves me speechless

* in its original Hebrew sense famously described as "that quality enshrined in a man who, having killed his mother and father, throws himself on the mercy of the court because he is an orphan"
 
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NoSkill

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Ladapo said. “Every last one of them is wrong and drips with disdain and slavery.”

Thankfully, this guy isn't a state legislator, like the one who realized that this mandate was putting his and the entire population of Florida's children at risk if everyone could simply skip vaccines.
 
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Cobalt Jacket

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Huh. I was wondering how large a percentage of those people was for ending the vaccine mandates, but I'm blocked from opening the link because I'm not from the US? That's just....weird.
To be sure, I think this has been affected by the measles outbreaks that have occurred since Ladapo's announcement.
 
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lucinius

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I came into this article with hopeful curiosity and an edge of bewilderment that deSantis would be defending his states vaccine mandate …. How comically I mistook the meaning of the title. And oh how quickly you’all (did I say it right?) are speed running the end of your empire .. I think to some degree you need a generation of children with polio to act as a reminder of the cost of ignorance and wilful corruption, btw this horrific comment is born of 15 years of having my empathy for your nation eroded. The prime minister of Singapore told the Australians in the 80s they risked becoming the white trash of Asia. It served as a wake up call. I don’t know where the kind of wake up call, short a full on Calamity, will come from. This is my small version
 
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numerobis

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Huh. I was wondering how large a percentage of those people was for ending the vaccine mandates, but I'm blocked from opening the link because I'm not from the US? That's just....weird.
Strong oppose removing the mandates: 48%
Somewhat oppose: 14%
Somewhat support: 15%
Strong support: 20%

The wording of the question has a double negative which is going to confuse people. I bet some of the oppose is opposing the mandates, and v-v. But it’s a pretty clear result even if a few percent of respondents got confused.
 
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One could argue it's only been 60 years, since the 1966 Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections
One could also argue that it never had an opportunity to live and was killed on 1865-04-15 with the accession of effectively a Confederate to the presidency in form of Andrew Johnson who killed Reconstruction before it could actually root out the white supremacists that now run the show.

This country had an opportunity to pull white supremacy out by the roots and scorch it away and not let it fester and entrench itself further. And now here we are.
 
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Oh my this guy:

“The governor’s agenda to defend freedom, whether from medical tyranny or tech oligarchs, is something Floridians and Americans everywhere want and value. Members of the Florida House should be leading that effort, not standing in the way.”

Medical Tyranny. This is a new one. I do hope they enjoy what Hobbes said:

"life is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short"
 
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One could argue it's only been 60 years, since the 1966 Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections
Even now, we still don't have a true democracy at the federal level. The electoral college overrides the popular vote for the presidency, congress is severely uneven, and the supreme court justices are completely disconnected from the people.
 
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What has ‘medical freedom’ to do with any of this?
In a previous, more logical and rational world, 'medical freedom' would mean freedom from the horrors and ravages of terrible, contagious, and virulent pathogens that kill, maim, and cripple our population, often taking children and the elderly, and paralyzing the daily work of communities when outbreaks happen. It was a envied status that people hope for and prayed in mass to whichever gods would listen to them for a hundred centuries.

Today, 'medical freedom' is useless, empty words used by stupid, vapid politicians to flog their voting public sheeple with.
 
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GDPR is probably the cause if you are in Europe. Basically the EU fines non EU companies if they allow EU citizens access to their websites.
That's false or badly worded at least. They only fine companies that don't have GDPR compliance, like illegally retaining or selling PII to 3rd parties without consent or not allowing to opt out of things like 3rd party marketing cookies or tracking.

Some US local news sites just blocked non‑US users because their numbers were marginal and GDPR compliance would be an added effort to them just for minimal numbers of users, while keeping that sweet money from selling PII to 3rd parties.
 
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In a previous, more logical and rational world, 'medical freedom' would mean freedom from the horrors and ravages of terrible, contagious, and virulent pathogens that kill, maim, and cripple our population, often taking children and the elderly, and paralyzing the daily work of communities when outbreaks happen. It was a envied status that people hope for and prayed in mass to whichever gods would listen to them for a hundred centuries.

Today, 'medical freedom' is useless, empty words used by stupid, vapid politicians to flog their voting public sheeple with.
Don't forget that "medical freedom", in these people's mind, also doesn't mean freedom to an abortion or really any reproductive healthcare.
 
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The state already allows for medical- and religious-based exemptions.

Honestly, we need to talk more about this. That is the most important line in this whole article, IMO. Fundamentally, this bill would have just re-iterated the status quo. Parents already have the right to claim that vaccines violate their sincerely held religious beliefs, and boom, their kids walk into school unvaccinated.

The FL Speaker wants to be seen standing up for the health of children, but as long as religious exemptions stand, his "stand" is pure performance.

Because anyone can make up a new religion, or simply create a new sect within an existing religion like Christianity - there are already arguably thousands of Christians sects in the USA - several catholic churches (Roman, Eastern Orthodox, and splinters off of or within those that hold heterodox views), plus many Protestant denominations, and thousands of independent churches that may have a lot of overlap in their interpretations of the Bible, but are free to go their own way and start adding new interpretations or getting rid of old ones.

If you have religious exemptions to laws, you don't have laws.
 
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As someone who has a compromised immune system and currently is not vaccinated against anything (Stem cell transplant last month after high-dose chemo - which resets the immune system... thanks cancer!), and who unfortunately atm lives in Florida - thank God there seems to be a slowing of this insanity. Like during Covid, too many people worried about themselves and not everyone around them.
 
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Maybe it is worth pointing out that even those 20% that oppose a mandate, most likely had gotten the vaccines as children. They got protection from life threatening diseases and now, given the depth of knowledge and education they rejected growing up, are convinced that the vaccines are bad.

You got to hand it to us American's. After having been told that pointing a gun at your face and pulling the trigger is bad for you, at least 20% will still do it because they don't trust experts, 15% will strongly think about it, then listen to an idiot tell them they won't be hurt and sadly, trust the idiot, then pull the trigger.

We really cannot run a country when we elect idiots, just because they make us "feel good".
 
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Political Shenanigans?

Dude, when your own Party is going against you, who is winning?
And this case it's over 60% which is that stupid "Super Majority" that makes everyone in politics hot and bothered.

Are you calling your constituents stupid?

Oh, you are.

Cary on Crazy Florida. May your gators forever bask in the Sunshine of your Wonder.
 
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This about covers my thoughts on the situation

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