Epstein client list, does it exist or not?

[sporkman]

I really I wish Democrats had used Epstein against Trump in the election. It just never occurred to them because they’re focused on public policy and the national interest. They’ve lost the dark art of psychological manipulation and messaging.

The average American can’t or is uninterested in understanding the nuances of public policy and macroeconomics, but they can understand personal and specific issues like Epstein.

 

[linnen]

Some of us can be outraged at more than one thing at a time, with different levels of anger. Like Epstein's island partygoers suffering zero consequences and that Democratic leadership again spends more time defending doing absolutely nothing than fighting for anything. At least she can still legally continue her insider trading.

Pelosi only wants people to ignore this because a high ranking Democrat named Bill Clinton (last in the news endorsing Andrew Cuomo, another party bigwig with problematic sexual behaviors) also visited that island. And probably some of her donors, since it seems like every rich asshole went there.

I don't think there's a specific list of what perverts did what with which children. But there's certainly a reason why Trump's lawyer/AG stopped releasing any info after that first batch in February, because Trump's name was there, she's obviously not good editing prison videos with Adobe, and there's way too much info left to forge or delete if it all gets released immediately. It's not because Trump's a decent man who accidentally went to the wrong place at the wrong time just for directions to get away from there. Repeatedly.

Alligator Alcatraz would be better used as housing for every adult who ever flew to that island. It all sounds like even if they weren't all pedophiles, it was an open secret Epstein was ("I’ve known Jeff [Epstein] for 15 years. Terrific guy, He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side" - DJT), and everyone has a duty to report. Unless, of course, you're innocently on a child sex island in international waters for other unrelated business I guess.

But instead we need to let this go, to focus on real issues (like fundraising for the next election), or maybe for the victim's sake. So they can heal and get closure...from nobody doing anything for decades and only 1 person in jail for running a multinational sex trafficking ring singlehandedly for one dude.

Do you think that if Clinton or any other Democratic or Dem-leaning politician were prominent on Epstein's list or involved similarly to how Trump was involved in the teen modeling scams, that the Trump administration would NOT be using them as the distraction? After all the Clinton 'faux' scandals that have been widely distributed and headlined for even less cause, one would expect to see something along the 'Rose Law', Uranium One, or 'email server' frothing-at-the-mouth article in WaPo or NTY or any other news media by now.

And if Trump and his spokespeople did release anything that pointed that way, why would you trust it anymore than his other proclamations?

 

[linnen]

I really I wish Democrats had used Epstein against Trump in the election. It just never occurred to them because they’re focused on public policy and the national interest. They’ve lost the dark art of psychological manipulation and messaging.

The average American can’t or is uninterested in understanding the nuances of public policy and macroeconomics, but they can understand personal and specific issues like Epstein.

If they had it would have gone over as well in the media just as when Democrats tried bringing up Trump's 'dictator on day one' remarks. Both boring (Trump is Trump) and beyond the pale (Not being polite enough)

 

[VanillaG]

I think the "funniest" part of the Epstein records is that DJT is asking a court for permission to release the records. If the court comes back and says that they can't be released he is actually going to follow a court order for the first time in his current term. Similar to how he was going to release his tax records but the IRS wouldn't let him.

 

[Shavano]

I think the "funniest" part of the Epstein records is that DJT is asking a court for permission to release the records. If the court comes back and says that they can't be released he is actually going to follow a court order for the first time in his current term. Similar to how he was going to release his tax records but the IRS wouldn't let him.

It always amazed me that the press didn't jump on that as the obvious bullshit it always was. Tax records are your records. You can do anything you want with them. The IRS can't stop you.

 

[Wheels Of Confusion]

It always amazed me that the press didn't jump on that as the obvious bullshit it always was. Tax records are your records. You can do anything you want with them. The IRS can't stop you.

They did, he just kept repeating himself.

 

[Lt_Storm]

On the contrary, we get to decide what matters to us. It's then up to us to make those responsible (in this case the members of Congress) do the right thing.

Giving up means throwing those innocent victims under the bus as "too hard" to help.

We get to decide what kind of people we all are.

I really wish power worked that way. But of course, power doesn't care about what kind of person you are, it cares about what kind of people the majority of the members of Congress are. And they are the kind of people who will look the other way to avoid seeing any sorry laundry under Trump's bed.

 

[Shmeelz]

Do you think that if Clinton or any other Democratic or Dem-leaning politician were prominent on Epstein's list or involved similarly to how Trump was involved in the teen modeling scams, that the Trump administration would NOT be using them as the distraction? After all the Clinton 'faux' scandals that have been widely distributed and headlined for even less cause, one would expect to see something along the 'Rose Law', Uranium One, or 'email server' frothing-at-the-mouth article in WaPo or NTY or any other news media by now.

And if Trump and his spokespeople did release anything that pointed that way, why would you trust it anymore than his other proclamations?

Trump has already been using it as a distraction since his first run. His idiot supporters were blaming Hillary for 'Epstein didn't kill himself' despite the federal bureau of prisons reporting to DJT at the time, and Hillary being unemployed.

I think the Democrats are smart enough to know some of them went to the island. I think Trump is too fucking senile, insane, and stupid to remember he was a regular.

 

[Bardon]

I think the "funniest" part of the Epstein records is that DJT is asking a court for permission to release the records. If the court comes back and says that they can't be released he is actually going to follow a court order for the first time in his current term. Similar to how he was going to release his tax records but the IRS wouldn't let him.

Isn't he actually asking the Grand Jury info to be released, not the records themselves? Dumb furriner here but I'm sure that's what I saw?

 

[Lt_Storm]

I think Trump is too fucking senile, insane, and stupid to remember he was a regular.

Honestly, listen to Trump bleat about how boring this all is and how nobody should be taking about it reminds me of a teenager trying to prevent their parents from looking for the playboy they just his under their mattress; he remembers, he remembers very well.

 

[DarthSlack]

Isn't he actually asking the Grand Jury info to be released, not the records themselves? Dumb furriner here but I'm sure that's what I saw?

Trump is being remarkable careful (and disingenuous) in what he's asking to be released. He uses the word "pertinent" a lot, which in his administration almost certainly means that any mention of Trump has been scrubbed out. And yes, he called for the grand jury records to be released. But that's just a trivial amount of what prosecutors have collected. And it could take years and years since grand jury proceedings are considered secret. The transcripts need to be reviewed so that innocent people aren't being put in jeopardy.

 

[etr]

Isn't he actually asking the Grand Jury info to be released, not the records themselves? Dumb furriner here but I'm sure that's what I saw?

Pretty much.

Specifically, they are asking to release grand jury testimony, which is going to be geared toward convincing said jurors to let the government indict Epstein. Chances are good that relatively few of Epstein's "clients" would be covered, and early signs are that uncharged persons in the testimony will have their information redacted unless they give permission to be excluded from said redactions.

So Trump told Bondi to release the material, and in the unlikely event Trump's name appears in it, Bondi will have to ask Trump whether she can avoid hiding his name. Does anyone think he would say yes?

My understanding is that, by law, the government does not name uncharged individuals from investigations. Given that Trump has made a public show of ordering Bondi to (selectively) release materials in an investigation that may (and appears to) have implicated him, the matter really ought to have been referred to a special prosecutor...and the judiciary should be telling them that.

 

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I assume by now, maybe even as far back as Trump 1.0, that all the usefully incriminating information has been destroyed.

Why? Because if it existed, I would expect it to have been leaked by now. If not Pentagon Papers style, then WikiLeaks style.

That said, all the pressure it's putting Trump under is a positive thing unto itself. Him flailing because he can't entirely control the narrative is precisely the reason I keep saying that the opposition needs to be a lot more creative and relentless in pushing things that Trump has to react to rather than the other way around. Make him wake up in a panic every morning.

Wouldn't it be nice if there were like 3 or 4 other parallel threads of activity Trump felt like he couldn't keep up with, and his Administration had to grasp at straws to manage?

 

[Bardon]

Trump is being remarkable careful (and disingenuous) in what he's asking to be released. He uses the word "pertinent" a lot, which in his administration almost certainly means that any mention of Trump has been scrubbed out. And yes, he called for the grand jury records to be released. But that's just a trivial amount of what prosecutors have collected. And it could take years and years since grand jury proceedings are considered secret. The transcripts need to be reviewed so that innocent people aren't being put in jeopardy.

We do know that Grand Jury records can be released to the public - I saw a post earlier today reminding everyone of that.

It was posted by Monica Lewinsky, and she should know.

 

[DarthSlack]

We do know that Grand Jury records can be released to the public - I saw a post earlier today reminding everyone of that.

It was posted by Monica Lewinsky, and she should know.

I'm not arguing that grand jury records can't be released, I'm arguing that it could take years for them to be released. This kind of delay is bog standard Trump tactics and it appears to be working.

 

[dio82]

Nervously watching the lack of unicorns in the title, I stumbled over this YouTube short, which I believe to be a perfect summary of the state of things on the Epstein files, or lists or whatever:
View: https://youtube.com/shorts/hMXiU3wWnP8?si=z0gDV4j_lm0rMs4z


It is funny while being very truthful, but the entire situation is absurd so ...

I am still flabbergasted at the sheer ineptitude by Democrats at large. This opportunity is as large as a barn door to do some serious harm on the administration, and they still miss it.

 

[Wheels Of Confusion]

The fact that people are now talking about "Epstein Files" instead of "Epstein List" tells me the administration's rebranding effort to deflect scrutiny is working. Now they can talk about releasing court documents related to grand jury investigations when in reality they were originally talking about lists of Epstein's clients.

 

[9600man]

Saw this:

View: https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19VwDvbWHn/?mibextid=wwXIfr


They make a good point of why not just talk to Ghislaine Maxwell. I thought she died in prison too. She’s still alive.

The fact that people are now talking about "Epstein Files" instead of "Epstein List" tells me the administration's rebranding effort to deflect scrutiny is working. Now they can talk about releasing court documents related to grand jury investigations when in reality they were originally talking about lists of Epstein's clients.

It could end up backfiring on the administration because they’re inept enough where if they released court documents today it can have a lot of smoking guns to pressure the administration in a few weeks again.

“Client asked underage girl to use gilded bathroom in New York City loft.” Who has tacky enough tastes to have gilded bathrooms in a New York loft that we know has pictures taken with Epstein?

So even if they administration does pivot and only release court documents it’ll just end up as more fuel to the fire to release the “list” (presuming it does exist).

This is a highly inept administration. This whole thing is literally brought on by the fucking president who made campaign promises. It’s not his fault America has a majority that’s not only racist and misogynistic but also fucking stupid.

 

[Thank You and Best of Luck!]

They make a good point of why not just talk to Ghislaine Maxwell. I thought she died in prison too. She’s still alive.

She's angling for a pardon, not an expedited death sentence. She's useless.

 

[Locke]

I really I wish Democrats had used Epstein against Trump in the election. It just never occurred to them because they’re focused on public policy and the national interest. They’ve lost the dark art of psychological manipulation and messaging.

The average American can’t or is uninterested in understanding the nuances of public policy and macroeconomics, but they can understand personal and specific issues like Epstein.

They tried, the media ignored it.

Like they've ignored his connections to Epstein for years.

Virtually nothing in this latest flare up is new, its just that now republicans seem to care so now the media cares. And Trump is melting down so they're paying attention. It could spiral out of control, but more likely someone will jangle some keys in front of the media and they'll lose focus.

If there ever is a client list released I'll wager heavily major media people are on the list.

 

[sporkman]

They tried, the media ignored it.

Like they've ignored his connections to Epstein for years.

Virtually nothing in this latest flare up is new, its just that now republicans seem to care so now the media cares. And Trump is melting down so they're paying attention. It could spiral out of control, but more likely someone will jangle some keys in front of the media and they'll lose focus.

If there ever is a client list released I'll wager heavily major media people are on the list.

I disagree. The democrats could have had troll farms infiltrating like Stephen crowder comments and insinuating the Epstein connection to Trump. A good model, ironically, would have been the Russian trolls in 2016.

 

[Locke]

I disagree. The democrats could have had troll farms infiltrating like Stephen crowder comments and insinuating the Epstein connection to Trump. A good model, ironically, would have been the Russian trolls in 2016.

apnews.com/article/c70a21451ac64c99af1525af0bd73a26

Hell, there was even attempts to try Harris to Epstein:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/harris-epstein-beach-image/

Comment sections don't drive media cycles, the media does. People have been talking about Epstein in comment sections for decades and it didn't do shit. The media has ignored the story intentionally and I believe because they are completely caught up in it.

There is zero chance someone was running a major prostitution ring out of NYC and major media figures somehow miraculously avoided it.

Its blown up now because while the media wants to ignore it, they also care about what republicans talk about and republicans are talking about it. And acting so guilty a three year old with a hand in the cookie jar could see through it. The media loves to chase a coverup and part of Trumps super power to disarm the media was simply that he was openly corrupt.

 

[Gub]

She's angling for a pardon, not an expedited death sentence. She's useless.

Is she useless to Trump? I'm not so sure. I can imagine a scenario where Maxwell gets her pardon by implicating Bill Clinton and Bill Gates in all sorts of things while staying quiet about Trump.

 

[Zod]

She's angling for a pardon, not an expedited death sentence. She's useless.

Not necessarily. What if for a pardon she claims Trump never touched a girl with Epstein, but Clinton and loads of Democrats did?

 

[Thank You and Best of Luck!]

She's useless to holding Trump accountable for anything.

 

[Starbuck79]

Not necessarily. What if for a pardon she claims Trump never touched a girl with Epstein, but Clinton and loads of Democrats did?

Attorney General of the united states going to see a convicted criminal in person to "see what she knows" doesn't screen of corruption at all.

 

[Gub]

Attorney General of the united states going to see a convicted criminal in person to "see what she knows" doesn't screen of corruption at all.

Actually, it's Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche who's going to be meeting with Maxwell. The same Todd Blanche who was Trump's personal criminal lawyer.

 

[Soothsayer786]

Huh... CNN just threw a hardball. Good for them. Photos of Epstein at one of Trump's weddings.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/22/politics/kfile-trump-epstein-photos-footage

This is the best part though, statement from the White House:

In a statement to CNN, White House Communications Director Steven Cheung said, "These are nothing more than out-of-context frame grabs of innocuous videos and pictures of widely attended events to disgustingly infer something nefarious."

So amusing to see such tactics turned on those who use them all the time. I mean he basically described their own playbook.

 

[Wheels Of Confusion]

Huh... CNN just threw a hardball. Good for them. Photos of Epstein at one of Trump's weddings.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/22/politics/kfile-trump-epstein-photos-footage

This is the best part though, statement from the White House:



So amusing to see such tactics turned on those who use them all the time. I mean he basically described their own playbook.

Except I doubt CNN is using 'those tactics.' This looks like straight reporting, not Project Veritas-style con jobs.
This is the part I liked:

In a brief call with CNN on Tuesday, President Trump, asked about the wedding photos, responded, “You’ve got to be kidding me,” before repeatedly calling CNN “fake news” and hanging up.

 

[Shavano]

She's angling for a pardon, not an expedited death sentence. She's useless.

Levitt is angling for a deal: Maxwell agrees to testify that Trump was never involved in Epstein's underage sexcapades in exchange for a pardon.

 

[Tijger]

Attorney General of the united states going to see a convicted criminal in person to "see what she knows" doesn't screen of corruption at all.

The previous Trump one travelled halfway across the world to question someone about a QAnon conspiracy theory.

 

[Ecmaster76]

Per breaking news, release of the grand jury records has been denied by the judge

Reasons cited include lack of input by lawyers for victims and for the accused

Edit: source (WaPo via MSN)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/new...n-transcripts/ar-AA1J9LOC?ocid=BingNewsBrowse

 

[whm2074]

Per breaking news, release of the grand jury records has been denied by the judge

Reasons cited include lack of input by lawyers for victims and for the accused

Edit: source (WaPo via MSN)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/new...n-transcripts/ar-AA1J9LOC?ocid=BingNewsBrowse

I imagine that for many of Epstein's victims, releasing grand jury records will just open old wounds.

 

[Doomlord_uk]

I don't think there's any chance of that testimony, or any info derived from it, is ever going to become public info. That would just make future prosecutions impossible, whilst leaving everyone - victims included - open to public abuse and attack. They're sealed for very good reasons.

 

[Ecmaster76]

I think the outcome isn't surprising, just how fast the decision was made

 

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I think the outcome isn't surprising, just how fast the decision was made

Doesn't seem that surprising, "You want to release a bunch of chum to a frenzied mob, so that the mob will attack the victims, investigators, and jury members instead of you? No."

 

[BigVince]

Its plainly obvious that he was deeply involved with Epstein and the list if there is one has him on it maybe more than once.

So ya multiple times

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-bondi-epstein-files_n_68813793e4b0274beaa5d84d

 

[Macam]

So ya multiple times

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-bondi-epstein-files_n_68813793e4b0274beaa5d84d

Link

None of it is surprising considering there’s more photos and videos of Trump with Epstein in candid moments than with his own flesh and blood, to say nothing of Epstein’s own words, where he said he was Trump’s best friend.

 

[Mikie]

Ok, so now this has become surreal. Its now become a cover up. Is this what takes him down finally?
MAGA is good with rape, sexual assault, misogamy, white man antics and deportation with out any due process.

but being caught with under age girls, children mind you, is that a step too far for his crowd?

I really think it could be bad, because his people are already trying to spin it. couple people have said, "just because your name is on Epstein's list doesn't make you a Pedi file." and so on, is laying the ground work.
I don't see this one being spun. Not only did he say the deep state, democrats, fake news, but turns out its him, and this is in the face of the MAGA crowd.

 

[Wheels Of Confusion]

but being caught with under age girls, children mind you, is that a step too far for his crowd?

Think about how the language of "groomers" was weaponized and politicized among right-wing Americans, always aimed at Democrats and LGBTQ+ people. Even for a group subject to severe and frequent cognitive dissonance, this instance is so egregious it may not be amenable to easy dismissal.