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When you're explaining, you're losing.
This is the most Republican thing ever. Easily repeatable, catchy soundbites. Oversimplifications or outright lies, pretending they're "common sense". Not meaningfully engaging in any subject. Just hammering on the simple, easy to remember phrases that mislead people into believing you.

Why don't we have more progress on real issues in this country? Because we're not allowed to have meaningful conversations about them. One side finds a three or four word phrase that distorts it, and runs to every TV outlet and social media platform to scream it until people move to a different topic.

Welfare queens, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, law and order, tax and spend, globalists, woke, CRT, paid agitators, illegal aliens, etc, etc. All used to kill real discussion of real issues that need real solutions.
 

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Welfare queens, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, law and order, tax and spend, globalists, woke, CRT, paid agitators, illegal aliens, etc, etc. All used to kill real discussion of real issues that need real solutions.
You're not going to have real discussions about real issues on a cable news show. Heck, look at the presidential debates: "Immigration is an important policy issue. What would you do? You have two minutes." "Your opponent said he would make immigration easier. What do you think? You have 30 seconds to respond." "Now, let's move on to Iran." That's about the attention span of your average viewer, and that's why soundbites work. Real debates happen behind closed doors, and always have. Those discussions have nothing to do with what someone says in front of a camera.

Nobody wants to explain that they hung out with Epstein, much less went to his island, and how that doesn't mean they had sex with anyone, much less underage girls. The headline will be "Celebrity was on Lolita Island!" with enough insinuation to ruin someone's reputation. You'll notice that celebs don't talk much about their partying in general. This is about as much as you get from St. Barts, courtesy of everyone getting stuck there because of the raid on Nicaragua (according to someone I've never heard of: https://www.thecut.com/article/trumps-venezuela-raid-celebs-stranded-st-barths.html).
 

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Even if you somehow managed to reserve half of the day on each channel of each major network and streaming service to detailed and comprehensive explorations of all of the issues and explainers on everything from economy to tariffs to migration. YOu can't make people listen and understand if they don't want to.

Soundbites work because they are short, don't challenge your existing preconceived notions and reinforce what you already "know". You can't convince people with better and more comprehensive explanations when they even refuse to acknowledge that the sun rises in the east or that the sky is blue and stoove plates are hot.
 

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Even if you somehow managed to reserve half of the day on each channel of each major network and streaming service to detailed and comprehensive explorations of all of the issues and explainers on everything from economy to tariffs to migration. YOu can't make people listen and understand if they don't want to.
This is relevant here, and always worth watching periodically:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE


Now, many, many of these people watch hours of cable news per day. That they're not paying attention is wrong. What they're paying attention to is not even trying to inform them; it's trying to outrage them.

They are listening, and they're understanding what they're being told. They didn't make all that stuff up on their own. They were deliberately fed those lies.
 

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This is relevant here, and always worth watching periodically:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE


Now, many, many of these people watch hours of cable news per day. That they're not paying attention is wrong. What they're paying attention to is not even trying to inform them; it's trying to outrage them.

They are listening, and they're understanding what they're being told. They didn't make all that stuff up on their own. They were deliberately fed those lies.

Yet they never switched to channels where more comprehensive and correct info was available.
 

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Honestly ... I am a bit dumbfolded by this thread. Why is everything silent? After the latest release, the only answer that any human capable of even the tiniest shred of morality will want to burn down this entire fucking country. Jesus, this stuff is bad.

Mass murder, infanticide, canibalism, torture and a pedophile ring so large that you start asking yourself who isn't in on it who was vaguely rich or influental in the 90s and 00s.

All of those fucking illuminati conspiracy theories are quite frankly too tame. QAnon (which btw. was founded and created due to Epstein and probably directed by him) was too tame. I am fucking done with this world. I simply can't take it any longer.

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For the love of god, do not go down the rabbit hole, but some key words to search:

-Calender Party, Mar-a-Lago, Elon, Trump, vulva, elasticity, auction, girls
-Mar-a-Lago, Hole 9, wood chipper, girls
-Lake Michigan, 13 year, rape, Trump, infanticide
-Canibalism, baby, taste
-Human skin, wearing
-Olga, Kill order

And of course the worst documents for Trump (Calender Party and Lake Michigan) got nearly immediately pulled. But the internet is full with copies.
 
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Honestly ... I am a bit dumbfolded by this thread. Why is everything silent? After the latest release, the only answer that any human capable of even the tiniest shred of morality will want to burn down this entire fucking country. Jesus, this stuff is bad.

Because it's one more horror on the pile of infinite horror that has been the last five or so years? We've had a global pandemic, the world's first livestreamed genocide, the planet is on fire where it isn't underwater, and the king of the United States is an idiot baby who shits himself in public. What's one more giant paedophile ring of everyone who is vaguely rich and influential.
 

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Because it's one more horror on the pile of infinite horror that has been the last five or so years? We've had a global pandemic, the world's first livestreamed genocide, the planet is on fire where it isn't underwater, and the king of the United States is an idiot baby who shits himself in public. What's one more giant paedophile ring of everyone who is vaguely rich and influential.
Because a lot of them are making decisions on our behalf?

Epstein might have made our crownprincess pregnant, and more elites from over here are being discovered.
Is it time for the guillotine yet?
 
Because a lot of them are making decisions on our behalf?

Epstein might have made our crownprincess pregnant, and more elites from over here are being discovered.
Is it time for the guillotine yet?

Since 1789, but there really is a numbing effect where all this shit has just become the new normal. You can get outraged about this horror but there will be another one along next week, and the armed instruments of the state will protect the perpetrators anyway.
 

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Honestly ... I am a bit dumbfolded by this thread. Why is everything silent? After the latest release, the only answer that any human capable of even the tiniest shred of morality will want to burn down this entire fucking country. Jesus, this stuff is bad.
Same reason as any other Trump absurdity - there are already several newer absurdities since 4 days ago. He had the DNI personally show up at the FBI raid of an election center at the hub of Trump's last impeachable interference into an election. He's openly talking about taking over elections in key swing districts. The government is partially shut down and the GOP is threatening to change the rules to push the "SAVE" act through and fuck voting in meaningful ways.

The media just isn't capable of keeping up with the insanity. Within a few days, there will be more bullshit, and people will be ignoring my prior paragraph.
 
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Since 1789, but there really is a numbing effect where all this shit has just become the new normal. You can get outraged about this horror but there will be another one along next week, and the armed instruments of the state will protect the perpetrators anyway.
You are sadly right. Its only Tuesday.
 

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Same reason as any other Trump absurdity - there are already several newer absurdities since 4 days ago. He had the DNI personally show up at the FBI raid of an election center at the hub of Trump's last impeachable interference into an election. He's openly talking about taking over elections in key swing districts. The government is partially shut down and the GOP is threatening to change the rules to push the "SAVE" act through and fuck voting in meaningful ways.

The media just isn't capable of keeping up with the insanity. Within a few days, there will be more bullshit, and people will be ignoring my prior paragraph.
There is enough in this pile of disgusting dirt for most democratic states to start RICO charges against this cabal (RICO can be done on state level). There are also heaps of financial crimes documented in the files. They can do this against every single one except of Trump.

THAT is what you, the people, need to demand! Forget Trump. Jail every single fucking person mentioned in the files. Go after the organisations of these persons and shake them down.

There is enough to implicate even Elon and draw him into the RICO charges. And RICO always means the confiscation of all assets.
 

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There is enough in this pile of disgusting dirt for most democratic states to start RICO charges against this cabal (RICO can be done on state level). There are also heaps of financial crimes documented in the files. They can do this against every single one except of Trump.
There's enough in there to convince me that Epstein orchestrated quite a lot about our current political position, and that a very large number of people belong in jail, not just for pedophile stuff, but also for treason.

"If we destroy the whole thing, we can make some more money and get some more power" is a theme in there.
 

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Melinda Gates is asked point blank about some of the behavior described on the files and it’s refreshing to at least see the question asked directly. Her response is fine btw; certainly, a measured one, with all the usual suspicions a divorce NDA being likely, legal retaliation, etc.
 

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Honestly ... I am a bit dumbfolded by this thread. Why is everything silent? After the latest release, the only answer that any human capable of even the tiniest shred of morality will want to burn down this entire fucking country. Jesus, this stuff is bad.

Mass murder, infanticide, canibalism, torture and a pedophile ring so large that you start asking yourself who isn't in on it who was vaguely rich or influental in the 90s and 00s.

All of those fucking illuminati conspiracy theories are quite frankly too tame. QAnon (which btw. was founded and created due to Epstein and probably directed by him) was too tame. I am fucking done with this world. I simply can't take it any longer.

It's worth remembering that most of the worst stuff in there are uncorroborated anonymous claims made to a tip line. And cannibalism is among the oldest of political smears. So, you know, don't take it as gospel. While I do expect that some of that is probably real (auctions at Mar-a-Lago sounds like what we already know), without corroboration even those thing are fairly meaningless except, perhaps, in the court of public opinion and political honor.
 

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Oh, and, as for this:

Honestly ... I am a bit dumbfolded by this thread. Why is everything silent? After the latest release, the only answer that any human capable of even the tiniest shred of morality will want to burn down this entire fucking country. Jesus, this stuff is bad.

It's so quiet because they released a shit ton of documents containing claims of varrying reliability and it's going to take a week or two for reasonable people to go through that shit and decide what's likely reliable vs what's noise.

Unless, of course, you aren't particularly interested in such sorting; then it's really easy to go find the most inflammatory accusations, say cannibalism, and pretend that it must be fact. Which sort of implies that most of the coverage we have seen to this point isn't of the worthwhile kind.
 
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Raw data is certainly going to have a lot of noise.

Despite that, one of these wealthy, connected assholes definitely knows something and it's absolutely preposterous all of them get to play stupid.

At least the Brits seem to care a bit more as they actually dole out social consequences.

The fact that minimum to no investigation is the most damning of the whole thing.
 

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I'm not taking the really sick stuff I've heard about too seriously at the moment. It's all been from anonymous tips and just too over the top. It needs to be investigated, but I feel it's unlikely to be true.

The real worry is the emails from people to Epstein post his 2008 conviction, where people wanted to "party", or wanted favours, or wanted something else. These are people who can't claim they didn't know he was a paedophile. They knew and didn't care. These are not fakes or plants, these are clear evidence of moral depravity from key people in business and governments around the world.

A good example is Musk, who sent an email on Christmas day 2012 wanting to come to an Epstein party. He knew exactly what sort of party it would be and he knew exactly who and what Epstein was. Musk was all in on this. But then he recently popped up in the UK at a rally talking about protecting women and children from rape gangs and getting onside with the far right loonies. He decries any attempt to limit Grok's child-undressing abilities as an attack on free speech. He's only one of a vast number of wealthy, powerful men (almost always men) whose own words tie them irrevocably to Epstein.

Exposing and rooting out this cabal will require an international effort. It will bring down some of the wealthiest and most notable people on the planet. I don't know if the world has the kind of leaders who will join together to actually do this. They seem to have gone very quiet.

At the absolute minimum, I hope that these people are removed from positions of authority, their careers ended, banks close their accounts and the media refuse to quote them. These people are now known to be liabilities, ticking time bombs that will take down governments or businesses who have no answer to "Why keep them onboard after the Epstein files were released?"
 
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A good example is Musk, who sent an email on Christmas day 2012 wanting to come to an Epstein party. He knew exactly what sort of party it would be and he knew exactly who and what Epstein was.
On the other hand, Musk explicitly said he wanted to bring his then-wife. With several others, there was a lot of nudge-nudge-leave-the-partner-at-home messaging from Epstein.
 

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There is enough in this pile of disgusting dirt for most democratic states to start RICO charges against this cabal (RICO can be done on state level). There are also heaps of financial crimes documented in the files. They can do this against every single one except of Trump.

THAT is what you, the people, need to demand! Forget Trump. Jail every single fucking person mentioned in the files. Go after the organisations of these persons and shake them down.

There is enough to implicate even Elon and draw him into the RICO charges. And RICO always means the confiscation of all assets.
Also prosecute the FBI agents that buried Epstein's crimes. Everyone needs to go down.
 
Same reason as any other Trump absurdity - there are already several newer absurdities since 4 days ago. He had the DNI personally show up at the FBI raid of an election center at the hub of Trump's last impeachable interference into an election. He's openly talking about taking over elections in key swing districts. The government is partially shut down and the GOP is threatening to change the rules to push the "SAVE" act through and fuck voting in meaningful ways.

The media just isn't capable of keeping up with the insanity. Within a few days, there will be more bullshit, and people will be ignoring my prior paragraph.
They can't keep up with the insanity, but they could call it out. They choose to deal the flood of insanity in the worst possible way: by insisting it isn't insane.

Like if Biden had, in a single week:
  • Threatened War with Iran
  • Deployed Troops to Nigeria
  • Threatened to Nationalize Elections
  • Said gun ownership was illegal
  • DC US Attorney say bringing a gun into DC was illegal
  • Seized voting records
  • Had the DNI attend the seizure of those records
  • There was credible allegations that the DNI was a foriegn spy.
  • Deployed Federal Agents who were tear gassing children
  • Had his supporters start fist fights with literal school children
  • Had half a US Attorney office walk out
  • Have a judge compile a list of 100 cases where they were ignoring court orders
  • Also, was caught up in the worlds largest pedophile ring
The media would be in crisis mode. There would be 24/7 coverage of: President has mental breakdown, when will the impeachment vote be held? We would get discussions of 25th amendment vs impeachment. Possible new VPs to fill the slot, etc.

Instead we get: Boy, sure is a busy week, right guys?
 

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It's so quiet because they released a shit ton of documents containing claims of varrying reliability and it's going to take a week or two for reasonable people to go through that shit and decide what's likely reliable vs what's noise.
Also, from seeing the fringe of what's circulating on social media, half the most inflammatory stuff is actually forged or edited. And I certainly have neither the time nor fortitude to go ascertain what's actually in the released files. What with the combination of terrible behavior by adults and "oops" uncensored appearances of victims.
 
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On the other hand, Musk explicitly said he wanted to bring his then-wife. With several others, there was a lot of nudge-nudge-leave-the-partner-at-home messaging from Epstein.

“Understood , I will see you on st Barth, the ratio on my island might make Talilah uncomfortable,” Epstein responded.

“Ratio is not a problem for Talulah,” Musk said.

... that sounds like Musk knew exactly what was going on and was telling his wife to deal with it. Looks like we can add emotional abuse of a spouse to the list too.
 

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The real worry is the emails from people to Epstein post his 2008 conviction, where people wanted to "party", or wanted favours, or wanted something else. These are people who can't claim they didn't know he was a paedophile. They knew and didn't care. These are not fakes or plants, these are clear evidence of moral depravity from key people in business and governments around the world.
A lot of them did know, certainly, but it wasn't the public story then that it is now. It was deliberately kept out of the press as much as possible

Google web search trends clear show it wasn't on most peoples radar until 2019
https://trends.google.com/explore?q=epstein&date=all&geo=US

If you switch it to news search trends, its much the same.
 

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A lot of them did know, certainly, but it wasn't the public story then that it is now. It was deliberately kept out of the press as much as possible

Google web search trends clear show it wasn't on most peoples radar until 2019
https://trends.google.com/explore?q=epstein&date=all&geo=US

If you switch it to news search trends, its much the same.
I think it's safe to assume anyone in contact with Epstein, anyone emailing him and receiving responses, knew about Epstein's past. This isn't about what the general public knew, this is about what the people directly interacting with him knew. I do not believe any of them were unaware he was a convicted paedophile.

And you know what? If any government ever summons the courage to root all of this out and deal with it, I'm fine with a few false positives. If a few millionaires and billionaires are falsely accused and suffer some consequences, then that's a price worth paying to bring justice to the rest of them. It's not as if these people have no resources to help clear their names. I'm very comfortable assuming guilt by association on this one.
 

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I'm not taking the really sick stuff I've heard about too seriously at the moment. It's all been from anonymous tips and just too over the top. It needs to be investigated, but I feel it's unlikely to be true.

The real worry is the emails from people to Epstein post his 2008 conviction, where people wanted to "party", or wanted favours, or wanted something else. These are people who can't claim they didn't know he was a paedophile. They knew and didn't care. These are not fakes or plants, these are clear evidence of moral depravity from key people in business and governments around the world.

A good example is Musk, who sent an email on Christmas day 2012 wanting to come to an Epstein party. He knew exactly what sort of party it would be and he knew exactly who and what Epstein was. Musk was all in on this. But then he recently popped up in the UK at a rally talking about protecting women and children from rape gangs and getting onside with the far right loonies. He decries any attempt to limit Grok's child-undressing abilities as an attack on free speech. He's only one of a vast number of wealthy, powerful men (almost always men) whose own words tie them irrevocably to Epstein.

Exposing and rooting out this cabal will require an international effort. It will bring down some of the wealthiest and most notable people on the planet. I don't know if the world has the kind of leaders who will join together to actually do this. They seem to have gone very quiet.

At the absolute minimum, I hope that these people are removed from positions of authority, their careers ended, banks close their accounts and the media refuse to quote them. These people are now known to be liabilities, ticking time bombs that will take down governments or businesses who have no answer to "Why keep them onboard after the Epstein files were released?"
For me the real worry is the mass of documents/photos that they're still holding back for the apparent reason that they're far worse than anything released thus far.

Some people are still getting protected to the hilt, and it's wrong.
 

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I'm not taking the really sick stuff I've heard about too seriously at the moment. It's all been from anonymous tips and just too over the top. It needs to be investigated, but I feel it's unlikely to be true.

I get that, but at the same time most allegations regarding Trump have turned out to be all too true. It all fits the pattern of his lifelong statements and behaviors. And when every accusation is a confession, it's kinda sus when he started talking about post-birth abortion out of nowhere.

Furthermore, not only is he not making any serious attempt to clear his name, he's still actively trying to prevent the release of the files. And since no one is ever going to actually investigate the allegations, Americans will have to draw their own conclusions without waiting for the government or media to tell them what to think.
 
For me the real worry is the mass of documents/photos that they're still holding back for the apparent reason that they're far worse than anything released thus far.

Some people are still getting protected to the hilt, and it's wrong.
I suppose what they're holding back are the indexation, the assessment documents. The guidances to the actual nails in this haystack of sickening shit. I mean, the DOJ must have sifted through this pile, checked up on stuff, verified or validated things, and then had lawyers or panels of lawyers assess it all in long, detailed documents. Those documents were not released - but the manure pile was.
 

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Also, from seeing the fringe of what's circulating on social media, half the most inflammatory stuff is actually forged or edited. And I certainly have neither the time nor fortitude to go ascertain what's actually in the released files. What with the combination of terrible behavior by adults and "oops" uncensored appearances of victims.
Ya, I'm happy to wait while reputable journalists to though that cesspit.

I think it's safe to assume anyone in contact with Epstein, anyone emailing him and receiving responses, knew about Epstein's past. This isn't about what the general public knew, this is about what the people directly interacting with him knew. I do not believe any of them were unaware he was a convicted paedophile.
I'm not sure that's true. I mean, do you do a background check on everyone you meet before you email them? It seems like there's plenty of room for distant encounters with plenty of people who have little to no idea. Now, the longer someone knew him, the less likely that would be true. So the people who write in contact with him for years probably knew our at least suspected what was up.
 

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Because a lot of them are making decisions on our behalf?

Epstein might have made our crownprincess pregnant, and more elites from over here are being discovered.
Is it time for the guillotine yet?
Is your country taking it seriously? Mine (UK) is. Do we know about other countries? Is it only America that isn't?

Mandelson was sacked as ambassador, has now resigned his position in the House of Lords, and the police are reviewing files with a view to prosecuting him for misconduct in a public office, with the support of current and previous Prime Ministers. This is being seen as the biggest UK political scandal for many decades. Sarah Ferguson's charity has shut down. Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor is no longer a prince. It's taking a while to absorb and I'm hoping for more to come. I gather the files have discussions between Steve Bannon, Epstein, and Nigel Farage about Brexit. If this can neutralise Farage I'll be very pleased.
 

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They can't keep up with the insanity, but they could call it out. They choose to deal the flood of insanity in the worst possible way: by insisting it isn't insane.

Like if Biden had, in a single week:
  • Threatened War with Iran
  • Deployed Troops to Nigeria
  • Threatened to Nationalize Elections
  • Said gun ownership was illegal
  • DC US Attorney say bringing a gun into DC was illegal
  • Seized voting records
  • Had the DNI attend the seizure of those records
  • There was credible allegations that the DNI was a foriegn spy.
  • Deployed Federal Agents who were tear gassing children
  • Had his supporters start fist fights with literal school children
  • Had half a US Attorney office walk out
  • Have a judge compile a list of 100 cases where they were ignoring court orders
  • Also, was caught up in the worlds largest pedophile ring
The media would be in crisis mode. There would be 24/7 coverage of: President has mental breakdown, when will the impeachment vote be held? We would get discussions of 25th amendment vs impeachment. Possible new VPs to fill the slot, etc.

Instead we get: Boy, sure is a busy week, right guys?
Relative moral judgement. The effective reaction to what people do is often based on what society consider their norm, so people with high a baseline of BS, gets away with a lot more BS.

You see this many places. For instance domestic abusers, where the abused perceive extreme highs of kindness when they dont get abused.

No idea how to break society from that. Especially disappointed with journalists accepting this.
 

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They're willing to release CSAM with the victims' names still on it, but they redacted the actual perpetrators. It's really hard to imagine what's wrong with a person that would do that or go along with that. Outside of the super powerful trying to save their own skin, what the fuck does an FBI staffer have motivation to follow through on such a depraved act? They get nothing from it - they're just pawns in the whole process.
Ya, I'm happy to wait while reputable journalists to though that cesspit.
Generally, yes. However, it does look like the Trump admin is aware they're losing control of the narrative and they're escalating. Hopefully, things don't get too much worse in the meantime.
 

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Is your country taking it seriously? Mine (UK) is. Do we know about other countries? Is it only America that isn't?

Mandelson was sacked as ambassador, has now resigned his position in the House of Lords, and the police are reviewing files with a view to prosecuting him for misconduct in a public office, with the support of current and previous Prime Ministers. This is being seen as the biggest UK political scandal for many decades. Sarah Ferguson's charity has shut down. Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor is no longer a prince. It's taking a while to absorb and I'm hoping for more to come. I gather the files have discussions between Steve Bannon, Epstein, and Nigel Farage about Brexit. If this can neutralise Farage I'll be very pleased.
Oh yes, they are taking it seriously. I would not even be surprised if our Monarchy is dead after all of this is done. There are several ministers, diplomats, previous PMs etc, basically a lot of the elite here that is investigated, some are not yet fired, but they are on extended leave. The population here seems to call for some kind of blood.

There are a few things i am sitting with here in general since all the Epstein files are not yet released, and that is:

1. The chances that an extended ring abuser ring with several other key men owning their own honeypots. It is likely that these fuckers did not just decide to love underage girls when Epstein became a part of their contact list. There is more to unravel here, i am sure. This NEEDS to be investigated also - mafia style.

2. The likely chance that Russia is behind all of this. There are investigations into this as well.

3. How all of this has shaped international politics in the past 15 years, maybe more. Jagland was in the Nobel commitee as as starter, and a Sec Gen of the Council of Europe. Even then, he asked Epstein for a loan for a house etc. I am guessing that was not free. Roed-Larsen and his wife, very well known diplomats in the world who has shaped global politics. Their children inherited 10 million USD from Epstein when he passed. Our crown princess who basically had a relationship with Epstein, as a crown princess. The meme circulating here now is the Crown Prince having a tinder profile.

It explains a lot of Norwegian politics in the past 20 years which has been much more focused on international issues than issues at home which they for the most part has not cared about at all. Its been on autopilot thanks to our 2 trillion usd welfare fund. This will shape Norwegian politics for sure and the future elections probably turning a darker shade of blue although it is far from the far right wing typically known elsewhere in Europe (from labour/red that is currently in power).

There is going to be a lot more that will be known here. I think my vote forward will be blank (meaning, i support none of the options available, but i did my duty). I think that is the only fear the politicians have.
 
...Honestly ... I am a bit dumbfolded by this thread. Why is everything silent? After the latest release, the only answer that any human capable of even the tiniest shred of morality will want to burn down this entire fucking country. Jesus, this stuff is bad.

Mass murder, infanticide, canibalism, torture and a pedophile ring so large that you start asking yourself who isn't in on it who was vaguely rich or influental in the 90s and 00s...
I asked that question several pages ago, and that was before all the really bad stuff came out. Not to mention someone above had mentioned if this was the stuff considered "safe" what was really removed from the files?

Lithuania and Poland are now launching investigations into human trafficking based on the files released so far and I wonder why that is?? Not to mention any other person mentioned in the files has quit, or has been fired....Except in the US.

When I started this I thought the worst case was some 17-18 year olds brought to an island under the ideal of getting lots of money, now not only do I think they were literally traffic for sex slaves, but that the ais actually much younger. Not to excuse any of this, but at least 17-18 is walking that line of could be old enough, could look older, but the things I have read leave no doubt they not only were younger, but looked younger...

Damn I miss the biggest gaff and scandal was a Tan suit....

Basically it has now shown, without a doubt, that if they deny, they did, if they say they did, they didn't... Musk...That ol'boy was begging to get the invite and never did, bet he is wishing he didn't push for a release now.
 

Nvoid82

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It’s because, wether due to desperation or stupidity, Americans collectively have our heads so far up our asses we can smell our burps from the back. People don’t want to believe things are as bad as they are, or that there is so little will to change it, or that they or their families supported it.

There is the shock as people wonder what really happened, as they hope for others more capable and better informed to give them the ok to react. It’s a lot, and people are woefully unprepared to internalize the consequences.
 

Macam

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As I had referenced previously, Elon’s brother,
Kimbal, was also in the pedo/sex trafficking ring, and mentioned over a 100 times:

The emails range from exchanges between Kimbal Musk and disgraced financier Epstein scheduling party times and meeting dates to Kimbal Musk thanking Epstein and his associates for “connecting” him to a woman in 2012.

One of Epstein’s friends, Boris Nikolic, replied that Kimbal Musk “better be nice” to the woman because “Jeffrey goes crazy when someone mistreats his girls/friends.” Kimbal Musk replied that he had received the message “wide and clear” and included a winking emoji.
 

Macam

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There’s a victim’s journal that was decoded and…it’s horrific (fair warning: basically involves repeatedly impregnating a child).

This short email is creepy AF, but only redacts the perpetrator’s email.

So there’s a list, and the regime is protecting it.

And assuming this stat is true…oof.

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