Immigration is almost certainly the first step. There's apparently a lot of anti-immigration feeling among the voters, and the Democrats will likely feel they have to cater to this rather than fight it, so there's likely no public or political pushback. You start with undocumented immigrants, because no one will defend them. Then when that isn't opposed, you start detaining/deporting people who did follow all of the rules except for having the "wrong" skin tone.
Domestic consequences of the 2024 US presidential election: the quickening
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Tianamen Square was also a unique moment in Chinese history. Even before this election, how many major domestic protests were there recently? The recent Palestine protests on the campuses of elite universities got a lot of coverage, but weren't large events by themselves.
A few years before that, there was BLM and pandemic-related issues. Due to the time warp of recent years (pandemic and before-times), those seem like so long ago now.
Trump won this election—and a majority of Americans are at least copacetic with the result of him taking the reins again. His policies resonated with a good portion of the electorate. Wouldn't that indicate that a broad base supports what the incoming administration is doing? There may not be much public response, aside from isolated incidents.
NCOs say they won't cooperate with orders to act against the American people, but they won't be asked nicely to shoot Americans. They'll be told to provide "peaceful" crowd control or go to prison and/or get dishonorably discharged for refusing orders and lose their careers. When given that choice, how do you think they'll choose?
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An evergreen set of questions. The answer tends to be something like "the institutions/the law/he can't do that" and then we end up at that third question, where people just go "Oh well, how does he keep getting away with it?!"
Guess we're getting a national emergency declaration on Day One to start mass deportations.
Good. I have a Venezuelan coworker overstaying his visa who swore "Trump's gonna only get the criminals."
At least he'll mute himself for a minute.
I'm so looking forward to Musk and Melania being swept up in this!
I hate how you post this, then that is announced as Trump’s plan. Evil timeline!
How can you when this is what drives it?
Aside from that, authoritarians thrive on selective enforcement to drive loyalty.
May be until more GOP people are personally getting hurt and actually made the connections... this insanity may continuous for awhile.
Also, doest USA have program to invest in South America to lower the amount immigrants? I would imagine those programs will be cut.
Also, doest USA have program to invest in South America to lower the amount immigrants? I would imagine those programs will be cut.
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Isn't a guy allowed to dream? I know the plan is race driven, but I'm enjoying imagining the possibilities......You know unintended consequences do tend to happen now and again.....
The way this election went, I won't be surprised if ICE's deportation hotline gets some calls from non-Trump voters (I assume the number is 1-800-DEP-ORTU or X will roll out a a 'Deport This User' feature).
There are numerous programs along those lines, including CICIG, an organization focused on addressing corruption in Guatemala, which the Trump administration naturally tried to undermine/cut. Clean institutions and rule of law is a key tenet to ensuring longer term stability in the region, but Trump admin prefers the Bukele approach of just jailing everyone and ruling.
What's the point of having a process when people just ignore the outcome and stick around as if that decision didn't happen?
Good news for you, you're about to get a great lesson of "what's the point of having a process" when the entire executive branch starts ignoring outcomes it doesn't like.
I think the BLM protests shouldn’t be looked to as a guide either. I don’t think they would’ve caught on the way they did without the Covid lockdowns, and without a level of societal disruption on that scale, I don’t think the discomfort will reach a level where the masses will care about it.
A majority of Americans don’t, and won’t, care enough to actually put action behind things because it doesn’t affect them directly. I don’t know how much suffering will happen before it does. Predictably, nazis are marching in the streets again (see Columbus, OH) and I suspect they will be allowed to get away with a great deal of terror before a plurality tries to protest it.
Celery Man
Ars Legatus Legionis
If the discussion is now “the military that’s been infiltrated by fascists for decades says they probably won’t shoot Americans”, we’re fucked.
Sorry, I'm picking up the pieces to my irony meter, as it exploded when reading this.
Anyway, as expected, we're already starting the process of slashing safety net programs to pay for exploding the deficit and debt to try to pay for tax cuts for ultra rich people and corporations:
Also going to love to hear the pitch for the inevitable inflation that will come with. Jack the interest rate up further? But that would make the administration look bad...
The tax cuts on overtime and tips are easy because they’ve stated they also want to abolish e.g. the overtime pay regulations and unions. So no need to cut taxes once overtime as a concept no longer exists and no unions are there to enforce them
It sounds like Musk is being so obnoxious and overstepping that he might irritate Trump enough to get himself purged sooner rather than later. I’ll certainly take some grim satisfaction when that happens.
It goes without saying, but that they're looking at slashing funding for Medicaid and SNAP, and not at cost savings inMedicare/DoD/etc, tells you we're once again going to go after the poor, and further decimate social mobility and the ability for people to climb up the economic ladder.
Celery Man
Ars Legatus Legionis
Which is the point.
“Conservatism consists of two propositions: that there be an in-group the law protects but does not bind, and an out-group the law binds but does not protect.”
Who knows, maybe Trump wants to get rid of Melania?
SuinusLatinus
Ars Tribunus Militum
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/18/nx-s1-5192918/spacex-amazon-nlrb-labor-board-elon-musk
Space X and Amazon is going in front of the labor board. Not sure if labor board still exist next year.
Space X and Amazon is going in front of the labor board. Not sure if labor board still exist next year.
So I hear he wants to declare a national emergency and then use the national guard for these deportations. Some states are not going to cooperate. What happens when he tries to send national guard from one state into another that refuses?
Why rely on the US Army when the government has two of the largest mercenary groups in the world at our government's fingertips? Both Academi (formerly known as Blackwater, changed their name when they were being mentioned in public a bit too often) and Triple Canopy would have little hesitation to shoot where they're pointed at with the flimsiest of pretexts. And then there's other US-based mercenary groups like DynCorp (sorry, they're called Amentum now).
I'd be shocked and amazed if we got through the next few years without Americans shooting at each other. They might as well start right away.
Completely off topic, the Civil War film from spring is streaming on Max and is also rentable on Apple and Prime.
True. Relying on contractors also avoids pesky adherence to ROE and bad publicity. It's part of why these same companies were used in the Iraq and Afghanistan engagements. Something bad happens—blame it on the contractor—who in turn provides the people who break the rules to the court. The DOD stays out of the fray. If a contractor really makes the administration look bad, oh well, on to the next.
And, based on the election outcome, the talk of domestic military action may be a bit overblown at this point. The immigration issue was cited as a major concern by voters. Doesn't look like there will be much resistance to ICE initiatives from the public here.
Just in case there was any doubt in your mind as to the intentions of Republicans in establishing an autocracy...
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ru...o-senate-successor-amid-calls-trump-fill-seat
They flipped out over Hunter Biden making money off his family name, and they are ready to appoint a Trump family member to the senate, ANY Trump family member will do, because of their name.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ru...o-senate-successor-amid-calls-trump-fill-seat
They flipped out over Hunter Biden making money off his family name, and they are ready to appoint a Trump family member to the senate, ANY Trump family member will do, because of their name.
Something that talking about is probably against the posting guidelines.
As @Nekojin relates, using contractors instead of the military sidesteps thorny issues entirely.
Project 2025 talks about a bloodless coup. That may happen.
They can do this because your whole media and part of the potential voting public is gleefully holding Democrats to an impossibly high standard while they don't do the same for republicans and they know it and exploit the fact.
I know, I was talking about the “not much resistance“ part. Some states have already stated that they won’t comply with the federal government (e.g. California) and the Project 2025 people expect a certain amount of resistance and think it is likely enough that they added a provision to their manifesto on how they want to deal with that.
I was using military as shorthand here. They will use some sort of (semi-)organized military or paramilitary to achieve this. The type of org is TBD
They may even initially just leave CA, NY, MA, etc. alone. Solidify precedent that this is the new normal by setting that precedent in the states that will cooperate.