All of DOGE’s work could be undone as lawsuit against Musk proceeds
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As frustrating as it is that these kinds of things are so slow to grind through the courts, I will never cease to be amazed at how stupid these clowns are when it comes to publicly bragging about the things they're doing. They just cannot help themselves, because more than anything they want the attention and the social media likes.
Elon Musk could have just quietly gone about his shady business, but no, he had to get on the soap box he bought to make sure all his dumb fanboys could retweet him and give him high fives.
And it's not just this case, it's every case. He keeps losing because his ego and mouth can't help but make sure everyone knows what he's actually doing.
Elon Musk could have just quietly gone about his shady business, but no, he had to get on the soap box he bought to make sure all his dumb fanboys could retweet him and give him high fives.
And it's not just this case, it's every case. He keeps losing because his ego and mouth can't help but make sure everyone knows what he's actually doing.
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The only solution that will satisfy me is seeing Musk locked up in prison for the rest of his life for his crimes against humanity. With no possibility of parole!
It won't make up for the thousands of lives ended and the hundreds of thousands of lives affected, but it's a starting point.
It won't make up for the thousands of lives ended and the hundreds of thousands of lives affected, but it's a starting point.
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Just out of curiosity, what would "winning" look like? He keeps getting rulings against him, but I've yet to see even a hint of an actual consequence to Elon. His goals were chaos and destruction, and in that he's succeeded beyond any Project 2025 fever dream.
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The horrifying part is that all of the defense's arguments could be summed up as "These laws don't apply to us because we broke other laws." And yet the courts still spent so much time entertaining such an absurd premise.
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I'll put the headline in the "hyperbole" column as I learned in grade school that all the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back in the bottle, or something like that.
All the data they exfiltrated, all the careers ruined, all the lives damaged by DOGE's efforts aren't going to be made whole. That work can't be "undone."
All the data they exfiltrated, all the careers ruined, all the lives damaged by DOGE's efforts aren't going to be made whole. That work can't be "undone."
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My point more explicitly.
Decades of institutional knowledge are gone, and now that those jobs are seen as political spoils, good luck ever finding enough talented career minded people to take the risk again in order to rebuilt it.
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thelongdarkteatimeof
Ars Scholae Palatinae
It's funny how everyone has already forgotten that these morons tried to rename the Gulf of Mexico.
Clowns all the way from the top to the bottom.
Clowns all the way from the top to the bottom.
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Well, yeah… Musk is an idiot who has constantly fallen up… so it tracks that he would put it out there for the world to see.
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Brings to mind Frank Herbert's solution in Dosadi Experiment and Whipping Star: The Bureau of Sabotage
When the government is moving too fast, you just have a sanctioned department to break it. It's a wild concept.
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Yep. People kept buying teslas after he called someone a pedo based solely on where they lived, and then won in court when a defamation lawsuit happened because he had better lawyers. I doubt even if he's loses that anything will personally happen, and his goons will just keep buying his stock because of the memes.
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While they are bragging about the things they're doing, these posts are also a statement on (what they believe to be) the fact that they are untouchable. And so far they seem to be right.
The only times rich people are punished is when they defraud people even richer than themselves.
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Oh good! Can the team i was a part of and who had won a 5 year contract be made whole then? No? Well then this is just decoration to make us all feel like the law works.
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To be fair, Elon and his group all thought a huge coup was gonna happen and there'd be no SCOTUS or Congress to hold them back
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They did. Look at Google Maps. Look at the NHC maps.
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Neutering the IRS (personally vital for these guys), hollowing out the department of education and co-opting what is left of it for political lawfare on students and academics, effectively eliminating USAID and the vast suffering and death as well as loss of reputation - or as they see it, gain of a certain kind of reputation - that is now following, and similarly gutting many functions of the EPA (though some impacts in those polluting industries are slower to manifest due to inertia or lawsuits) are the big headines. But there are just so many more, from American scientific research and publishing to election integrity to civil rights enforcement to aviation.
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"Ironic" (in quotes because it's as intended) because the parts of government most invested with waste, fraud, and abuse are those that were not just untouched, but greatly expanded, the US military overshadowing all others at the top.
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it was both! don't try to Mandela Effect this! We were promised 2 separate checks. Also no tax on overitme, which is really just no tax on the 0.5 of the 1.5 part of overtime.
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Oh, right, $2000 was our distribution from the tariffs all the other countries paid us. /s
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No tax on overtime, because there will be no more "overtime". Fuck that weak, liberal 40-hour work-week. Also, no tax on TIPS, an acronym for Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities. /s
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I hadn't heard of this. I'm responding just to reiterate that Ars needs a do a write-up.
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Exactly what I came here to say. "Work"? What "work"? Call it what it is, please: vandalism. And call Musk, his minions, and their fans what they are: vicious idiots.
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Yep. Here we are in the year 2026, and the Insane Clown Posse has usurped the US government. The truth is far stranger than fiction.
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I think it's actually a tax credit so it applies mostly to higher income people. If you're Doing overtime at McDonalds you probably are getting a tax refund already so the tax credit doesn't even help you.
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Sociopaths don't care. I mean, they do not care one iota that people suffer and die as a result of their actions. And just like Trump gave permission for overt bigotry and racism, now Trump and his administration are encouraging greater collective psychopathy. Though "trickle-down" economics didn't work, trickle-down psychopathy is working just fine. If the US had the biggest population of psychopaths per capita before the Trump phenomenon, it'll be even worse by the end of this strange experiment in the fusion of capitalism with fascism.
Just remember, “the fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy.”
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It's not. Legally, the department is defined by 10 USC § 111. The Secretary position is defined by 10 USC § 113. That's legally. When terrible people have full control of the government, they can ignore the law for a while.
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Yeah, I get that in theory the judge could order it all to be undone. How? Even if the administration was interested in complying, some of those agencies are GONE now. You'd have to reconstitute them. I could see damages award to harmed parties, but the actual structural changes to government, would at best, takes several years to fix. Even if you tried to "rush" the agencies back into existence and most of the folks were willing to come back to work for them.
Another one of those where, even ignoring the long term harm, the regimes actions, if up held by SCOTUS (yeah, as everyone is saying, a wild card) is likely to cause hundreds of billions of damages to US tax payers to make organizations, grantees, former employees, current employees, etc. whole from the damages caused by illegal and unconstitutional actions.
Because vibes (and Ketamine. A whole lot of ketamine).
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I could see how the judicial opinions could be used as a basis for eventual criminal charges. Not under the current admin though, but the next one maybe.
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This administration's moves seem to line up exactly with the grievances I'd expect to hear from some geriatric, rich old white guy at the country club. (Note: I earn about 40% of my income as a contractor working at country club athletic facilities - and I can pass for an old white guy of status, so I tend to be invisible - or seen as an ally - by those in higher tax brackets).
If you want to know what Trump will do next, I suggest finding a wealthy, retired, white septuagenarian that yearns for the good ole days. Just ask them what they'd do to make things better, and you'll know.
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If nothing else it’ll give a future SCOTUS ammunition to reverse a shitty devision from this SCOTUS, dont underestimate how lower court case law can shape future decisions, especially since it’s pretty clear the majority of the federal bench, at least below the apellate level, are disgusted with the current SCOTUS. Those are the future apellate and SCOTUS judges, they wont forget
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Its not. Higher income people are "exempt" so don't get regular overtime. I know from experience.
Because I'm salaried and my employer pays my overtime at a fixed converted hourly rate based on my salary, I can't claim that tax credit. There's no 0.5 to save taxes on. I get paid 1.0 overtime.
And as you said, most hourly workers who DO get the 0.5 don't save on taxes either because they make so little to start with.
It was a gimmick bait and switch that doesn't help hardly anybody.
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Agent Orange was elected President (misfortunately), and his pet Supreme Court said that the President can do anything, legal or not, and can't be prosecuted for it. I'm a little worried that they could extend the principle to all members of the cabinet and department heads (iow those appointed by the President, ordinarily subject to advise and consent by the Senate). The next step past that would be "Oh, you never asked for Senate approval and nobody In the Senate challenged that? We'll interpret that lack of challenge (in this court) as implicit consent." Or even, "the issues raised are not the business of states and individuals. They are the business of Congress if they don't agree that the President has the power to do DOGE (or any other similar thing) as it was done (and continues to do under other direct management). Nobody in Congress (specifically, the Senate) is a party (as a plaintiff) to this suit. So the plaintiffs lack standing." Either way, "case dismissed."
Has anybody at DOJ tried to raise those issues (yet)?
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