All of DOGE’s work could be undone as lawsuit against Musk proceeds

Trentmoller

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I don't think she was ever a student in the US. Except in the sense of being a student of fucking rich morons for personal gain; she started training in that field before she left her home town.


ETA: I used to live some 7 miles as the crow flies from her home town. News gets around amazingly quickly out in the sticks. Not that I think there's anything unethical or immoral about fucking rich morons, you understand. But the irony is sublime.
She worked without authorization while on a visitor visa.
 
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Thomnmi

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While I disagree with DOGE and their methodologies, technically, did Musk actually fire anyone or close any government organization?

Or did Musk/DOGE recommend the firing of people and closing of government organizations to someone who did have the legal authority to fire/close (aka POTUS?

I wonder if that will be an unfortunate loophole for Musk?
 
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dzid

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Nah, stick him in one of those ICE concentration camps for a spell.
I wouldn't do that until we've seen for ourselves the conditions in those places. Rape is being committed, but to what extent? Best to always assume the worst until you personally rule out the worst. There is no other option - government agencies cannot be trusted and you cannot just tell yourself it's someone else's problem. There is no one else.
 
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EnPeaSea

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I wouldn't do that until we've seen for ourselves the conditions in those places. Rape is being committed, but to what extent? Best to always assume the worst until you personally rule out the worst. There is no other option - government agencies cannot be trusted and you cannot just tell yourself it's someone else's problem. There is no one else.
Um, yeah, I think crepuscularbrolly intends for Musk to be subjected to inhumane treatment. Do you mean, "don't send him until it is verified that he will be assaulted"?
 
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It literally can't imagine a world in which the chaos and destruction DOGE has unleashed is somehow winded back. The institutional carnage and damage to fundamental norms that make it possible to run a state bureaucracy is largely irreversible - to say nothing of the people who have already died, or already will die, because of USAID cuts.

Oh, and if you're still on Twitter, please get the off it - like, today.

I make a point of never interacting with Twitter and never calling it "X". If whatever gov't or media organization wants to use it - then they won't get a visit from me to see the rest of their article or their media. I know I'm only one person so it prob doesn't make a single big of difference but at this point I'd rather use FOSS software and European hosted media b/c I don't trust anything the Republicans have laid hands on at this point.
 
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Sadly, I think no matter what lower court judges rule, SCOTUS will be more than happy to paper over whatever laws got broke here and say it was all within the President's authority to appoint Musk and have him do whatever he wanted to. In fact, they'll probably say the interpretation of the Appointments clause of the Constitution has been overly broad and they're narrowing it dramatically.
And the SCOTUS will lose their friggin' minds when a liberal president does anything similar to what DumpTrump has done, having already set precedence with SCOTUS' blessing.
 
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In a sense, all of that was done after Watergate. Special prosecutors, government inspector generals, etc., etc. But it was too easy for a GOP Congress and mafia executive branch to undo it all.
That’s great to know. I had never heard of reforms made about watergate until just recently

I think we’re learning that hose reforms didn’t go far enough. We’re seeing how they were corrupted. And we can learn from that and do better next time

From what I’m reading, the biggest issue is that unlimited corporate donations have been allowed in elections due to the Citizens United decision and all the Super PACS that were created afterward

That took a leak of corruption and turned it into a firehose. That’s why the amount of corruption feels so overwhelming and every day is a new fresh hell

So fixing that should be priority 1
 
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Komarov

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That’s great to know. I had never heard of reforms made about watergate until just recently

I think we’re learning that hose reforms didn’t go far enough. We’re seeing how they were corrupted. And we can learn from that and do better next time

From what I’m reading, the biggest issue is that unlimited corporate donations have been allowed in elections due to the Citizens United decision and all the Super PACS that were created afterward

That took a leak of corruption and turned it into a firehose. That’s why the amount of corruption feels so overwhelming and every day is a new fresh hell

So fixing that should be priority 1

Corporate and foreign donations to political parties/campaigns should be strictly forbidden on pain of both giver and receiver being thrown in a dark, damp hole, locked up and the key lost. They're the best way to fuck up a democracy. Also, PACs are an abomination that should be eradicated with flamethrowers.

All other donations above some limit—I don't know, $1000 per donor per year?—should be a matter of public record. It's supposed to be a republic, dammit. The US has been oligarchy for all practical purposes since ... well, frankly I don't know how long, but it has been many decades.

If you want to fix your country, having full transparency over how money flows into politics is the first essential step. The second is probably making any kind of non-public lobbying a hanging offence.
 
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Corporate and foreign donations to political parties/campaigns should be strictly forbidden on pain of both giver and receiver being thrown in a dark, damp hole, locked up and the key lost. They're the best way to fuck up a democracy. Also, PACs are an abomination that should be eradicated with flamethrowers.

All other donations above some limit—I don't know, $1000 per donor per year?—should be a matter of public record. It's supposed to be a republic, dammit. The US has been oligarchy for all practical purposes since ... well, frankly I don't know how long, but it has been many decades.

If you want to fix your country, having full transparency over how money flows into politics is the first essential step. The second is probably making any kind of non-public lobbying a hanging offence.
I think transparency is important but I don’t know if it’s really going to help that much in this situation. Ultimately, money shouldn’t be playing a role in politics, period.
 
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graylshaped

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I think transparency is important but I don’t know if it’s really going to help that much in this situation. Ultimately, money shouldn’t be playing a role in politics, period.
That's not really realistic given the nature of both money and politics.

Transparency at least seems realistic by establishing that although a corporation may have the legal rights to enter into contracts, etc, as a purely legal entity it is NOT afforded the rights extended to a human. We require disclosures and other "breaches" of privacy, and requiring all corporate donations and relationships with political parties and various proxies for such (PACs, et al), to be fully disclosed at the time of the transaction should be feasible without any Constitutional adjustments on the same rationale.

People have a greater right to know with whom they are doing business than the business does to exist.
 
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