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Why would I care about that for tv watching? What could it do for me that the current one can’t?
“Pause”
“Who’s the guy on the left with the weird hat?”
“What else was that actor in?”
“ooh yeah, been meaning to watch that - put it on my watch list”

My general thesis with AI is we have no fucking idea what we’re going to find ourselves using it for in the next 3-5 years. Shit that seems weird and “who’d want to do that?” is going to become commonplace and mundane.
 

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“Pause”

Siri has been able to control playback for a while now.

“Who’s the guy on the left with the weird hat?”
“What else was that actor in?”

Would someone really want to stop whatever they were watching to invoke this?

“ooh yeah, been meaning to watch that - put it on my watch list”

Invoking Siri and waiting for it to invoke the request seems like a waste of time compared with the normal way to add something to a watchlist.
 
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The A18 Pro in the MacBook Neo is apparently faster in single-core performance than the M1
Hell single core is faster than the M3. I think multi core is isn't far off of M1 or M2 iirc, same with GPU.
People are going to buy it because (a) it’s the least expensive Mac laptop and (b) it comes in colors. That’s it! For anyone who finds 8 GB of RAM genuinely limiting, the MacBook Air is right there.
Yeah just having actual colors is gonna be a huge deal. Plus the new factor, particularly easy/regular store availability vs random old stock or used older devices.
My general thesis with AI is we have no fucking idea what we’re going to find ourselves using it for in the next 3-5 years. Shit that seems weird and “who’d want to do that?” is going to become commonplace and mundane.
I think this is a reasonable take. AI has taken some wild turns for better or worse, who knows where it'll go and how things might get implemented in hopefully actual useful ways. Otherwise...for general use it'll still be a faster chip, which can be useful for games or whatever beyond basic media.

Personally I'm on the 2nd gen 4K, and performance dips were minor but noticeable once I got a 4K TV. Not sure how the 3rd gen is, but that one is limited in output vs what's possible now, like 120Hz VRR support would be nice.
 

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The A18 Pro in the MacBook Neo is apparently faster in single-core performance than the M1, which until yesterday was still available for sale via the Walmart-only M1 MacBook Air. And that machine sold well enough to persuade Apple to build a new Mac laptop specifically for this price range. I’m still using an M1 (Pro with more RAM, but still) for professional web development work and it’s totally fine.

I’m not saying an A18 Pro with 8 GB of RAM doesn’t have its limits, because of course it does. But anyone who’s coming from a Windows laptop in this price range is going to be totally fine with the Neo, if not downright impressed. People are going to buy it because (a) it’s the least expensive Mac laptop and (b) it comes in colors. That’s it! For anyone who finds 8 GB of RAM genuinely limiting, the MacBook Air is right there.

Also, since it reuses the year-old A18 Pro from the iPhone 16 Pro, I imagine next year they’ll update it with the A19 Pro from the iPhone 17 Pro – which will give it 12 GB of RAM.
The thing about this sort of analysis is that it far overestimates the ability of Basic Users™ to avoid straining the resources on their machines. Some of them never close a tab and end up with 10 browser windows with 40 tabs each; some end up running all the Office apps right next to multiple browsers running the Google equivalents; some are saddled by their workplaces with Electron vertical apps that use 2 GB of RAM by themselves for no reason at all. And those users don't say to themselves "Oh, I'm doing more than I thought with my computer and it doesn't have much RAM," they just say "my Mac is so slow and bogs down every time I change windows." And that's not great for the ecosystem. During RAMpocalypse the PCs available may have the same constraint, but in a normal RAM price environment you'd have 16 GB in your choice of $699 Windows laptops.

I think I've seen every basic user in my family support circle run themselves out of RAM at some point - and I always make them buy more RAM when they buy their machines.
 

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The thing about this sort of analysis is that it far overestimates the ability of Basic Users™ to avoid straining the resources on their machines. Some of them never close a tab and end up with 10 browser windows with 40 tabs each; some end up running all the Office apps right next to multiple browsers running the Google equivalents; some are saddled by their workplaces with Electron vertical apps that use 2 GB of RAM by themselves for no reason at all. And those users don't say to themselves "Oh, I'm doing more than I thought with my computer and it doesn't have much RAM," they just say "my Mac is so slow and bogs down every time I change windows." And that's not great for the ecosystem. During RAMpocalypse the PCs available may have the same constraint, but in a normal RAM price environment you'd have 16 GB in your choice of $699 Windows laptops.

I think I've seen every basic user in my family support circle run themselves out of RAM at some point - and I always make them buy more RAM when they buy their machines.
Nope, never seen this in my social/family circle.
 

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Nope, never seen this in my social/family circle.
Agreed. I have no one in my life who both a) aren’t computer savvy enough to know anything about their RAM needs and also b) use computers hard enough to need more RAM. I have plenty of people in my life who have no idea what RAM is. I have plenty of people who use computers hard enough to need more RAM. I don’t have any where those two traits overlap.
 

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The thing about this sort of analysis is that it far overestimates the ability of Basic Users™ to avoid straining the resources on their machines.
On my phone I often forget (because I don't use tabs that much) that I have eleventy-billion tabs open and then just close them all when I realize it. I also don't force close apps unless they're misbehaving. My iPhone works just fine and it just so happens to have an even older A17 inside.

MacOS, like iOS is pretty clever with handling virtual memory and resources when it comes to idling apps and Safari tabs. It may not be great if you have 10 Safari tabs, another 10 open on Chrome, the entire MS Office suite, Photos, somehow an older version of Office and a TikTok video all playing, it will still do its best. MacOS will run it all far better than some clunker Dell at the same price.

The typical Neo buyer won't even notice.
 
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My wife is a massive tab hoarder. She doesn’t keep using them, just never bothers to close them. A couple years ago she was having to charge her iPad multiple times per day. I finally noticed this was happening and asked her about it; she had no idea it was abnormal and was just dealing with it. I looked at it to find out what the problem was and found she had well over a hundred tabs open on it. If she needed to access her Gmail she just opened a new tab for it, never mind that she had six other Gmail tabs open. The offending battery killer was a Papa John’s pizza delivery tracker from over 6 months earlier.

I closed the vast majority, then went into Safari’s setting and activated the feature to automatically close tabs that hadn’t been accessed in over 30 days (I easily could have picked the seven day option, but she was nervous about losing things) and haven’t had a similar problem since.
 

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I closed the vast majority, then went into Safari’s setting and activated the feature to automatically close tabs that hadn’t been accessed in over 30 days (I easily could have picked the seven day option, but she was nervous about losing things) and haven’t had a similar problem since.
If this feature existed on Mac Safari, especially if it were active by default, I think RAM requirements for many users would legitimately be less.
On my phone I often forget (because I don't use tabs that much) that I have eleventy-billion tabs open and then just close them all when I realize it. I also don't force close apps unless they're misbehaving. My iPhone works just fine and it just so happens to have an even older A17 inside.

MacOS, like iOS is pretty clever with handling virtual memory and resources when it comes to idling apps and Safari tabs. It may not be great if you have 10 Safari tabs, another 10 open on Chrome, the entire MS Office suite, Photos, somehow an older version of Office and a TikTok video all playing, it will still do its best. MacOS will run it all far better than some clunker Dell at the same price.

The typical Neo buyer won't even notice.
I disagree that macOS handles it as well as iOS. I've personally watched intense swapping (enough to cause seconds of delay) occur on my wife's 24 GB M4 MBP, with nothing open other than Teams, Zoom, Slack, MS Office apps, Chrome with a few Google Docs tabs... and a dozen Safari windows with at least 40 tabs each. Her MO is to open a tab for every new browsing idea, and to open a new window when the tabs are numerous enough that the tab bar starts scrolling. When the delays hit, she sheepishly says "I guess I should close some tabs" and then proceeds not to do so.

I feel like my expectations may be higher than some of yours. Computers shouldn't pause or hesitate. You shouldn't ever feel "loading" happening. Response should be instant. The best way to guarantee that from a Mac is a fast SSD (which they all have now) together with ample RAM (usually what's missing).
 

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I feel like my expectations may be higher than some of yours. Computers shouldn't pause or hesitate. You shouldn't ever feel "loading" happening. Response should be instant. The best way to guarantee that from a Mac is a fast SSD (which they all have now) together with ample RAM (usually what's missing).
"That's like, your opinion, man."

No I get it but I try to remember that everyone on this forum is probably in the top 1-2% of computer aficionado and hyper aware of stuff like performance. The Neo is not meant for us. It's for everyone else that has very little concern for specs and only concern with performance is if Netflix plays smoothly. Their first indication that it's time to upgrade is when they get an alert that their device has lost software support or the battery is inconveniently poor.

For these folks, their expectations of performance is way, WAY different from yours or mine.

Plus it's a freakin' $500 laptop. The very moment it starts to stutter its going straight back to Apple for recycling and replacement. These things are designed to be disposable not to be used for 10 years until it can barely creek along with Gmail.
 

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I thought it did so silently in the background without any user control/intervention, but now I can't really find confirmation of this. Maybe I'm searching for the wrong thing, though.

As I've moved back to Chrome recently, I appreciate that not only does it clearly label tabs that have had resources unloaded, it allows you to fine-tune how aggressively it does so and displays per-tab memory usage. That would be handy on a memory-constricted device like a Neo.
 
I remain completely mystified by people at both ends of the computer skills spectrum keeping dozens or even hundreds of tabs open. Honestly, what is the point of doing this?

I feel I use Safari just as much as anyone else: heavy use all the time both personally and professionally. I might get three or four tabs open at the same time from right clicking search results, or to comparison shop something on Amazon, but most of the time I’m in just one tab in one window. I have a task that requires a web browser, I pursue that task in a single window, close it, then move on to the next.
 

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feel like my expectations may be higher than some of yours. Computers shouldn't pause or hesitate. You shouldn't ever feel "loading" happening. Response should be instant.
I'm sorry, but if you have a dozen windows with 40 tabs each open -- nearly 500 tabs total -- I have some sympathy for the computer struggling a bit.
 

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I remain completely mystified by people at both ends of the computer skills spectrum keeping dozens or even hundreds of tabs open. Honestly, what is the point of doing this?
Research. Tabs are a modern version of the table filled with tomes and notebooks and index cards.
 

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I remain completely mystified by people at both ends of the computer skills spectrum keeping dozens or even hundreds of tabs open. Honestly, what is the point of doing this?

I feel I use Safari just as much as anyone else: heavy use all the time both personally and professionally. I might get three or four tabs open at the same time from right clicking search results, or to comparison shop something on Amazon, but most of the time I’m in just one tab in one window. I have a task that requires a web browser, I pursue that task in a single window, close it, then move on to the next.
Research. Tabs are a modern version of the table filled with tomes and notebooks and index cards.

In my case, I load a page, read some of it, plan to get back to it and ... don't.

Periodically I will go back and decide I want to keep link to the content so I will put it in an Obsidian note, to return to it eventually.
 

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Research. Tabs are a modern version of the table filled with tomes and notebooks and index cards.
Yes, but in my case I would to do "research" to even find the tab again. I periodically gravitate that is research oriented like DevonThink, but I honestly don't have anything that requires that many tabs.
 

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I remain completely mystified by people at both ends of the computer skills spectrum keeping dozens or even hundreds of tabs open. Honestly, what is the point of doing this?

I feel I use Safari just as much as anyone else: heavy use all the time both personally and professionally. I might get three or four tabs open at the same time from right clicking search results, or to comparison shop something on Amazon, but most of the time I’m in just one tab in one window. I have a task that requires a web browser, I pursue that task in a single window, close it, then move on to the next.
My tab maximum usually comes after hitting it the news, opening each article I want to read in its own tab while drilling down the front page, then closing the front page and going through each article and closing them as I go. On a busy news day I can get up to 20 or 30, then whittle it back down.
 
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Very sorry - I seem to have derailed the thread off topic. Perhaps I should have started another thread.

My point is only that I think it can be deceiving to assume that a "basic user" can get by with a minimal configuration. That's why I felt happy when I thought Apple had decided to go 16 GB across the board for Macs, and also feel putting 8 GB in the Neo is not ideal, although maybe the only option under current circumstances.
 

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was mulling something today: With the debut of the Neo, Apple now has a value-price-positioned-product (alliteration!) in every segment. You can walk into an Apple Store and commit fully to the Apple ecosystem, all four categories—Mac Neo, Apple Watch SE, iPad, and 'E' iPhone—for under $2000 ($1796, to be exact). Doing so gives up certain features and capabilities, yes, but none of the ecosystem advantages. Each device works independently, and together, just as well as the most luxe option in each category does.

I wager that's less than every one of us active in this thread spent on our most-used Mac alone. :p
 

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was mulling something today: With the debut of the Neo, Apple now has a value-price-positioned-product (alliteration!) in every segment. You can walk into an Apple Store and commit fully to the Apple ecosystem, all four categories—Mac Neo, Apple Watch SE, iPad, and 'E' iPhone—for under $2000 ($1796, to be exact). Doing so gives up certain features and capabilities, yes, but none of the ecosystem advantages. Each device works independently, and together, just as well as the most luxe option in each category does.

I wager that's less than every one of us active in this thread spent on our most-used Mac alone. :p
That’s less than I paid for my iPad… And this fall you’ll be able to spec a foldable iPhone to be more than that.
 

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If this feature existed on Mac Safari, especially if it were active by default, I think RAM requirements for many users would legitimately be less.

I disagree that macOS handles it as well as iOS. I've personally watched intense swapping (enough to cause seconds of delay) occur on my wife's 24 GB M4 MBP, with nothing open other than Teams, Zoom, Slack, MS Office apps, Chrome with a few Google Docs tabs... and a dozen Safari windows with at least 40 tabs each. Her MO is to open a tab for every new browsing idea, and to open a new window when the tabs are numerous enough that the tab bar starts scrolling. When the delays hit, she sheepishly says "I guess I should close some tabs" and then proceeds not to do so.

I feel like my expectations may be higher than some of yours. Computers shouldn't pause or hesitate. You shouldn't ever feel "loading" happening. Response should be instant. The best way to guarantee that from a Mac is a fast SSD (which they all have now) together with ample RAM (usually what's missing).
Your wife's MO is the digital equivalent of someone like me, who "cleans" his house by stuffing things into closets until they're full, and then starts complaining that the house doesn't have enough closets. You can have storage the size of an Amazon warehouse and it would still ultimately not be enough. At some point tab hoarders needs to have someone force them come to terms with their sloppiness, just as my wife made me fit my stuff within what we already have.
 

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Yeah, about what about the Super Apple TV Turbo?

Hmm?
Not until the ultimate Apple TV for gaming, Apple TV Championship Edition.

Then a faster one will be split into two models, Apple TV Turbo and Apple TV Hyper Fighting.

If we ever get to something beyond 4K, there can be Apple TV: New Generation, 2nd Impact, and 3rd Strike.

(At the current pace of Apple TV releases this is a 50 year plan)
I truly don’t understand tab hoarding given how often Apple devices flush tabs from memory.
I'll get back to them eventually! As long as the page doesn't wipe from existence entirely it's fine. Generally anything where I'm worried about state (like this tab) I'm taking care of at the moment and don't need to worry about it getting flushed out...barring opening a bunch of other tabs for reference or whatever.

iPadOS is fine and flushes aggressively, macOS less so. Definitely have had to just restart Safari at times just to clear things up for the system. I have a tab saver thing so at some point I just toss my hands up and save and close everything and start all over, if I don't selectively close things first.
 
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Ok, after trying to setup a 4th monitor on my Mac Studio (M4 Max) - I'm definitely getting an M5 Ultra (and it's 6 TB5 ports and ability to support 6 displays). I spent 3 hours today trying various configurations to get a 4th monitor attached to my Studio. After almost giving up, I found out I could only get it to work if ALL the monitors were direct attached to the Mac. No intermediate TB docks even if there was almost no bandwidth in use. Which meant I had one TB dock for my TB peripherals.

TB5 dock that has a TB4, TB3 (JUST for the TOSLINK adapter - already ordered a USB one) and TB SSD/Dock hanging off it.

Left is work laptop.

Monitors
LG 4K - Work laptop only
LG UW (3840 x 1600 @144Hz) - Connected to M4 Studio and Work laptop
Dell (5120 x 2160@ 120Hz) - Connected to M4 and Falcon NW gaming computer (mounted in rack below)
Dell (5120 x 2160@ 120Hz) - M4 Studio Only
Wisecoco (3840x1100@60Hz) - M4 Studio Only - this is the small monitor mounted on the bookcase.

Now with the M5 Ultra - I could connect ALL those displays, but not really usable. Honestly the dual DELL plus Wisecoco is my normal setup I'm happy with. The LG UW is a temporary stand in for some additional development I'm doing for work and more screen real estate is handy and since the weather may be bad later - I wanted a display for my weather apps that didn't get in the way of what I was doing.

Bottom line: now I want the M5 Ultra even more for CPU and I/O capabilities. I really hope it comes soon.

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