War with...Iran?

[Deleted member 28951]

Well Israel is going for the destruction of Iran right now.

One more lie.

Besides oil depots, they've hit a desalination plant. That is necessary to overthrow the regime right?

Nope. The US bombed that plant (no idea why).
There was a report today that UAE hit another Iranian desalination plant, in retaliation for Iran attacking a UAE desalination facility yesterday. No idea if true.

But you make an interesting equivalence, Lebanese militias with light arms and some piddly missiles against IDF's high-tech fighters and missiles and US joining in with a couple of aircraft carriers.

Nothing piddly about HizbAllah pre-Sept. 2025. They had more missiles than Iran and managed to cause an evacuation of 70000 people from Israel's north via Anti-Tank weaponry for ove a year. Half the population still hasn't returned.

Netanyahu wasn't popular before he started attacking Gaza on a mass scale. But he gained domestic support over time and now, they're really primed with this attempt to dismantle Iran.

Yet another lie.
Likud currently has 32 Knesset seats (since the last elections, Nov. 2022, before the pre-Netanyahu Holocaust attack by Hamas on Oct. 7 2023).
The Hamas attack reduced Likud's polling to 19 seats. It's varied up & down since, but polling numbers by reputable pollers (*) have never gone above 27 (which will come down by a couple in about 2 weeks as soon as there are more deaths here).

Notice there's little or no talk of nuclear weapons which Iran was allegedly close to developing now? No it's all about taking down the regime.

So destroy their economy and civil infrastructure like desalination plants. Or was it really a uranium enrichment facility or making missiles or drones?

There's certainly been plenty of talk of the 440kg of enriched Uranium. It was in Isfahan in June, and when Trump imposed his one-sided ceasefire in June the Iranian regime managed to hide it, but it's been located, both by intelligence as well as by the IAEA, much of it underground in Isfahan. There have been reports about discussions how to gain control of it, including a commando operation.

(*)Ignore all polls published by Channel 14, which is a private Goebbels-type mouthpiece for the illegal "government".

 

[Klinn]

It is quite funny how he attacks Keir Stammer all the time because it actually helps him since Trump is so unpopular on this side of the Atlantic. Also it is factually wrong since we aren't joining the war, we aren't sending two carriers and are only get one ready in case we need it, also 3 more B1 lancers landed at RAF Fairford yesterday.

I can't see the embedded text in your post, but I assume it's similar to what appeared on the BBC below?

[Trump] accused Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer of seeking to "join wars after we've already won", as the US and Israel continue to launch strikes on Iran.

I think the UK should respond "you don't want our help, OK, you can't use our air bases any more". Nothing like insulting a reluctant ally to make them more enthusiastic about helping you. Idiots.

 

[Deleted member 28951]

Like civilian desalination plants in a country already facing a water crisis?

No, and AFAIK, Israel hasn't hit any.

 

[Deleted member 28951]

Mate, it's been proven multiple times here that they did indeed ask where the responders fit on the political spectrum. Maybe time for an apology for that "outright lies" statement?

wco81 didn't link to the actual poll, only mentioned a partial summary in another news site (with no actual link), using it to spread ridiculous claims.
I've posted a correction.
No apologies to a bad-faith poster, esp. when they continue spreading lies.

 

[wrylachlan]

Do you think you're going to disarm the IRGC and militia forces supporting the regime only with airstrikes?

Disarm? No. But I do think that the true power of the IRGC comes not from the total amount of weapons but from its ability to concentrate force through command and control structures. I think that airstrikes will be able to significantly deter the IRGC’s ability to concentrate force by taking out any place where IRGC assembles and the apparatus of their intelligence gathering and command and control arms.

They’ll still be a force to be reckoned with - no doubt. But the hope is that their mechanisms of fear generation will be greatly diminished. If hundreds of thousands of Iranians flooded the streets with IRGC at full power, what will happen if they’re decapitated and scattered? I don’t think anyone knows how this will go.

 

[Shavano]

I think bringing up far-right Christians or Jews is a massive detour. This night, an explosive hit U.S. territory in the heart of my city. This wasn't an attack on Norway; it was an attack fueled by a specific, exported hatred for the U.S. and perhaps Israel—and the person behind it clearly felt their 'religious mission' or political grievance was more important than the safety of the Norwegians around them.

There’s a pattern here: when certain religious or political ideologies put their hatred for the 'Great Satan' or their religious cause above the laws of the country they are living in, it makes the world—and my home—less safe. I don't care about their excuses or 'what about' other extremists. I care about the fact that one specific group is currently using my neighborhood as a battlefield for their global religious war based on their opinions and belief. If you can't see the difference between a fundamentalist opinion and a bomb, you’re missing the point.

Assigning a motive at this point is speculation. Norwegian police have given no indication that they know who was behind the attack.

 

[Megalodon]

They’ll still be a force to be reckoned with - no doubt. But the hope is that their mechanisms of fear generation will be greatly diminished. If hundreds of thousands of Iranians flooded the streets with IRGC at full power, what will happen if they’re decapitated and scattered? I don’t think anyone knows how this will go.

Been a while since I've seen this level of neoconservative self-congratulatory justification. Unreasoning murderous savagery from outside a country doesn't turn people against the regime, they either support it more, or they hunker down and try to survive, or they try to flee. No one is going to be out on the streets when you're bombing (and then re-bombing) girl's schools. They understand perfectly well this attack is against all of Iran and all its people, and there's nothing to be done but try to survive.

 

[DarthSlack]

No, and AFAIK, Israel hasn't hit any.

A distinction without a difference. It's clear Netanyahu convinced Trump that this war was necessary and they're a very willing part of the bombing. At this point, claiming it wasn't Israel is just playing semantic games.

 

[N4M8-]

They’ll still be a force to be reckoned with - no doubt. But the hope is that their mechanisms of fear generation will be greatly diminished. If hundreds of thousands of Iranians flooded the streets with IRGC at full power, what will happen if they’re decapitated and scattered? I don’t think anyone knows how this will go.

What I might expect from the decapitation of the leadership of an ideological force composed of over a hundred thousand might be:

• Splintering with possible conflict amongst rivals, and no restraint being exercised from above but rather being left to the whims of the leadership of each splintered faction and certainly not exercised at all in attacks against rivals or innocent bystanders
• Firm identification of who the enemy is with a desire to bloody their nose in some spectacular fashion, with the awful options of the group not splintering, meaning quite a bit of force to call upon in seeing that aim pursued, or the group splintering, meaning there are a lot of dangerous, hostile subgroups to try to keep eyes on.

A group or multiple groups with an axe to grind against both those who take power after the original group is cast down as well as an axe to grind against the US and absolutely nothing to lose is not something that leads to happy ends.

 

[Sajuuk]

It's interesting that you call it 'concerning' to care about a bombing in my own neighborhood. I’d argue it’s actually the most honest form of empathy there is.

But if we’re talking about 'extending thoughts,' where was this energy for the tens of thousands of Iranians murdered by their own regime's 'shitty old men' just weeks before this war started? Or the half a million people in Somalia facing death right now? Those lives didn't seem to fit the 'politically correct' narrative for a protest, so they were ignored.

My point isn't that those 170 families in Iran don't matter—it’s that all of this is the result of the same elite power games. You’re trying to shame me for being angry that this global 'religious bullshit' has landed in Oslo, but you’re the one being selective. I’m tired of all of it—the bombs in Tehran, the starving in Somalia, the war in Ukraine, and the explosives in Norway. If you think one justifies the other, or that I’m the 'concerning' one for wanting a safe city, then you’re just another player in the kindergarten. Have at it.

My government is not the Iranian government, and the Iranian government does not care about protests from nowhere USA. My government is currently bombing Iran into dirt right now.

Proximity of influence is hardly “political correctness.” Besides, the Iranian government’s violence has been a consistent topic of discussion and rebuke, not only recently but for my entire life. One might even argue it’s why we’re bombing them to hell while I type.

 

[wrylachlan]

What I might expect from the decapitation of the leadership of an ideological force composed of over a hundred thousand might be:

• Splintering with possible conflict amongst rivals, and no restraint being exercised from above but rather being left to the whims of the leadership of each splintered faction and certainly not exercised at all in attacks against rivals or innocent bystanders

I think this is highly likely.

• Firm identification of who the enemy is with a desire to bloody their nose in some spectacular fashion, with the awful options of the group not splintering, meaning quite a bit of force to call upon in seeing that aim pursued, or the group splintering, meaning there are a lot of dangerous, hostile subgroups to try to keep eyes on.

A group or multiple groups with an axe to grind against both those who take power after the original group is cast down as well as an axe to grind against the US and absolutely nothing to lose is not something that leads to happy ends.

This is also pretty likely.

The question is whether the splintering ideological groups are more powerful than the moderate center.

 

[Macam]

It's interesting that you call it 'concerning' to care about a bombing in my own neighborhood. I’d argue it’s actually the most honest form of empathy there is.

But if we’re talking about 'extending thoughts,' where was this energy for the tens of thousands of Iranians murdered by their own regime's 'shitty old men' just weeks before this war started? Or the half a million people in Somalia facing death right now? Those lives didn't seem to fit the 'politically correct' narrative for a protest, so they were ignored.

My point isn't that those 170 families in Iran don't matter—it’s that all of this is the result of the same elite power games. You’re trying to shame me for being angry that this global 'religious bullshit' has landed in Oslo, but you’re the one being selective. I’m tired of all of it—the bombs in Tehran, the starving in Somalia, the war in Ukraine, and the explosives in Norway. If you think one justifies the other, or that I’m the 'concerning' one for wanting a safe city, then you’re just another player in the kindergarten. Have at it.

I specifically call it 'concerning' if your empathy only extends beyond a few blocks of your house, which is what seemed to be the case in the context of your other comments, which you ignore here. Taking the context out creates an entire separate strawman argument. We're on the same page otherwise.

A distinction without a difference. It's clear Netanyahu convinced Trump that this war was necessary and they're a very willing part of the bombing. At this point, claiming it wasn't Israel is just playing semantic games.

They're conjoined twins in this effort.

 

[karolus]

This action fulfills different aims for Netanyahu and Trump. For the former, it’s staying out of jail and weakening an enemy. For the latter, it’s providing a distraction to domestic issues and scandals.

 

[Thank You and Best of Luck!]

This action fulfills different aims for Netanyahu and Trump. For the former, it’s staying out of jail and weakening an enemy. For the latter, it’s providing a distraction to domestic issues and scandals.

Oops… nope… now I see it. They’re the same picture.

 

[karolus]

Trump most likely will never have to worry about having to answer for anything in court.

 

[bjn]

Trump most likely will never have to worry about having to answer for anything in court.

Hopefully many of his enablers will though.

 

[TheColinous]

Hopefully many of his enablers will though.

Will they though? I doubt it. The moment the Democrats take over the House and/or the Senate, the right-wing media will switch into high-gear and accuse any accountability as a "witch hunt" and "lawfare" against conservatives. And, most likely, people like Schumer will fold before the fight even begins. Hopefully some of the states, like Minnesota, will do their part. But they can't adress the root problem.

 

[Shavano]

I think this is highly likely.

This is also pretty likely.

The question is whether the splintering ideological groups are more powerful than the moderate center.

You know the answer. The ideological groups have the weapons. The moderate center is unarmed civilians.

 

[Deleted member 28951]

A distinction without a difference. It's clear Netanyahu convinced Trump that this war was necessary and they're a very willing part of the bombing. At this point, claiming it wasn't Israel is just playing semantic games.

So you're one of the conspiracy theorists claiming the US doesn't have agency?

 

[Deleted member 28951]

Disarm? No. But I do think that the true power of the IRGC comes not from the total amount of weapons but from its ability to concentrate force through command and control structures. I think that airstrikes will be able to significantly deter the IRGC’s ability to concentrate force by taking out any place where IRGC assembles and the apparatus of their intelligence gathering and command and control arms.

They’ll still be a force to be reckoned with - no doubt. But the hope is that their mechanisms of fear generation will be greatly diminished. If hundreds of thousands of Iranians flooded the streets with IRGC at full power, what will happen if they’re decapitated and scattered? I don’t think anyone knows how this will go.

A major part of the IRGC's power is that they own, directly, 40% of the Iranian economy (e.g., 70% of all gas stations, several of the major banks etc). That gives those ~200K IRGC members a very strong incentive to keep the current regime on top.
As I wrote before the war, I don't see the US capable of regime change, which IMO requires killing about a million IRGC members and Basij, and then occupying the country with ~2M troops, long term (a generation at least) -- either technically, or planning-wise or execution-wise.

 

[Shavano]

I took it to mean both parties are guilty of the actions of either.

 

[cakqe]

They understand perfectly well this attack is against all of Iran and all its people

Some Iranians may think that, but others don't

(Mar 8) https://www.irishtimes.com/world/mi...brated-but-we-cried-we-danced-and-we-mourned/

Iranian lawyer Afrooz Maghzi – a researcher at the Irish Centre for Human Rights at the University of Galway
...
She cautions people “particularly in parts of the global left” against “viewing the situation only through the lens of anti-imperialism or opposition to Israel and the United States. While criticism of foreign intervention and sanctions is important, it should not obscure the reality that Iran is governed by a deeply corrupt and repressive regime that has brutally suppressed its own population for decades.

Donja Hodaie (35), a lawyer who lives in Germany and whose family are from southern Iran.
...
She says air power may “weaken a government, but removing and replacing a regime usually requires more than bombing ... What’s needed now is a strategy focused on targeting other key figures and critical infrastructure of the Iranian regime while minimising harm to the civilian population. If we back off now, it will resemble [last year’s] Iran-Israel conflict, where the regime will recover and take brutal revenge on its own people.”

She says people in Iran have different opinions on military action: some support it because they see no other way to move forward; others question the point.

Zahra Gholamvand (42), a materials scientist from Tehran, living in Dublin,
...
She says some people believe that – while the Iranian regime does not care about civilian lives – rising casualties might “be used as political leverage to pressure western governments to halt the war, ultimately to preserve the regime rather than protect the people.”

(Mar 7) https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y5lqygrn7o

But several Iranians have told the BBC that after 47 years of the Islamic Republic, they are so desperate to see the back of it that the current war is their only hope of freedom.

When Hamid ... took his wife and daughter into the street outside his home in Tehran to celebrate.
...
Hamid's cousin in the UK ... encapsulated the conflicted feelings of many in a Whatsapp message to the BBC last Saturday.
"I hate wars, I don't want a single innocent human being killed or harmed no matter which side they are on, but I'm jumping for joy at the news of the attacks this morning.
"I know, it's contradictory and mad but it's the truth. The thought that the dream of freedom from the murderous Ayatollahs might finally be turning into a reality is making me giddy with joy."
...
As the week ended, we asked for her help getting back in touch with Hamid. His cousin was not able to get through.
"Please don't judge me," she said. "But I think the strikes must continue. They have to finish the job."

A young woman in her 20s in Tehran, who said she was "over the moon" when they targeted the supreme leader, told Ghoncheh six days later: "I'm neither happy nor sad now - just tired."

 

[Alexander]

Israel and the FBI manipulated evidence of assassination plots or manufactured them to goad Trump into attacking Iran:

[regarding Thomas Crooks, Ryan Routh:] Officials have yet to produce any evidence that Iran played a role in either of these attempts on Trump’s life. Yet since those fateful events, Israel-aligned Trump advisors, Israeli intelligence, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu himself have gone to extreme lengths in order to tie Tehran to the plots. More shocking still is the fact that the FBI has manufactured a series of assassination plots, successfully convincing Trump that Iran was hunting him on US soil with highly sophisticated teams of hit men.​

​

The man accused of leading the most significant of these operations, Asif Merchant, is currently on trial in a Brooklyn, NY federal court. After the US granted him a visa despite his presence on a terror watchlist, Merchant was in the constant company of an FBI confidential informant who ultimately steered the contrived plot to its conclusion. He never stood a chance of realizing his plans, and did not appear serious about doing so.​

https://thegrayzone.com/2026/03/06/israel-fbi-assassination-plots-trump-iran-war/

Article goes on to describe more FBI-influenced terror plots, and drops the tidbit that Susan Wiles worked for Netanyahu's reelection campaign in 2020.

 

[dio82]

A distinction without a difference. It's clear Netanyahu convinced Trump that this war was necessary and they're a very willing part of the bombing. At this point, claiming it wasn't Israel is just playing semantic games.

Israel certainly gave the final push, but let's not forget Trump's own agency in producing narcissistic supply. And by God, a war delivers narcissistic supply by the train load.

Please listen to the infinitely brilliant explanation by political analyst and philosopher Vlad Vexler:
View: https://youtu.be/mtODlM2cTbw?is=8-Z1Yuaw2sPAPZvX


His main points:
-The Trump regime has absolutely no idea what they are doing in Iran and the middle east, and they revell in their ignorance. Because might makes right, and smashing things to bits is the ultimate evidence of might.
-War is the ultimate source of narcissistic supply for Trump and his regime cultists. This is the primary reason for this war and everything else are post-hoc rationalisations and secondary/tertiary in nature
-Trump is mentally not equipped to defuse this conflict. His many know mental deficiencies apply, but more importantly his extreme ingrained racism hinders him to even mentally formulate the idea of Iran and Iranians having agency. This is the background to his "unconditional surrender" fart

Many more points that I forgot already ... I am rewatching it right now again because it is so brilliant.

 

[Nvoid82]

A distinction without a difference. It's clear Netanyahu convinced Trump that this war was necessary and they're a very willing part of the bombing. At this point, claiming it wasn't Israel is just playing semantic games.

I’m gonna strongly disagree there. Who does what is a meaningful difference, even if it is at the direction of an ally. The US bombed those desalination plants. The US murdered those schoolgirls. That distinctions has a meaningful difference if you’re a citizen of the US.

If you are, that means they were done in our name. If we want that to change, we have to accept the facts as they are.

 

[DarthSlack]

So you're one of the conspiracy theorists claiming the US doesn't have agency?

No, I'm one of the normal people who recognize that this war was started by the US and Israel and they both bear equal responsibility for the results.

Besides, it's VERY well known that Trump is the most malleable President in US history. His staff manipulate him, lobbyists manipulate him, soccer organizations manipulate him, foreign leaders of all stripes manipulate him. Cripes, Putin probably manipulates him on the weekly just for the lulz.

Though I guess that does raise the question of whether the US actually has agency with a simpleton at the helm.

 

[DarthSlack]

I’m gonna strongly disagree there. Who does what is a meaningful difference, even if it as the direction of an ally. The US bombed those desalination plants. The US murdered those schoolgirls. That distinctions has a meaningful difference if you’re a citizen of the US.

If you are, that means they were done in our name. If we want that to change, we have to accept the facts as they are.

You've missed the point. The US is responsible for its actions, but it absolutely positively needs to be recognized that this is a joint war and Israel doesn't get to pretend it has no role in atrocities.

 

[VividVerism]

You've missed the point. The US is responsible for its actions, but it absolutely positively needs to be recognized that this is a joint war and Israel doesn't get to pretend it has no role in atrocities.

If the US actions bothered Israel too much and they no longer wanted to be associated, Israel could always quit this little war of choice.

Or at least express disapproval and tell the US to knock it off with the civilian targets.

 

[wco81]

I took it to mean both parties are guilty of the actions of either.

Israel goaded US into the war, depends on US for economic aid and weapons.

Apologists like wavelet are all "the US bombed that, not Israel."

This whole war was triggered by Israel, because they want to snuff out any country hostile to them, before any hostile actions.

He's going to say October 7th justifies everything and anything Israel gets up to.

 

[Megalodon]

Some Iranians may think that, but others don't

Most of those you seem to be referencing is diaspora Iranians that live abroad? Eg, not the ones actually being bombed. Not really seeing any indication of anti-regime mobilization in-country. The "neither happy nor sad now - just tired" comment from someone actually in Iran seems pretty consistent with what I was saying.

 

[Nvoid82]

You've missed the point. The US is responsible for its actions, but it absolutely positively needs to be recognized that this is a joint war and Israel doesn't get to pretend it has no role in atrocities.

I didn’t miss the point, and I’m not arguing that Israel has no responsibility. Claiming “Israel hasn’t hit any” is a linguistic deflection, but so is claiming that’s a distinction without a difference. There is a meaningful difference between what Israel does of its own accord and what the US
does and enables.

That a desalination plant was bombed is bad and wrong. But as an American living in America, it’s kind of important context to me that it was the US who did the bombing. I don’t give a fuck who told them to, it shouldn’t’ve happened.

 

[Lt_Storm]

Israel and the FBI manipulated evidence of assassination plots or manufactured them to goad Trump into attacking Iran:

[regarding Thomas Crooks, Ryan Routh:] Officials have yet to produce any evidence that Iran played a role in either of these attempts on Trump’s life. Yet since those fateful events, Israel-aligned Trump advisors, Israeli intelligence, and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu himself have gone to extreme lengths in order to tie Tehran to the plots. More shocking still is the fact that the FBI has manufactured a series of assassination plots, successfully convincing Trump that Iran was hunting him on US soil with highly sophisticated teams of hit men.​

​

The man accused of leading the most significant of these operations, Asif Merchant, is currently on trial in a Brooklyn, NY federal court. After the US granted him a visa despite his presence on a terror watchlist, Merchant was in the constant company of an FBI confidential informant who ultimately steered the contrived plot to its conclusion. He never stood a chance of realizing his plans, and did not appear serious about doing so.​

https://thegrayzone.com/2026/03/06/israel-fbi-assassination-plots-trump-iran-war/

Article goes on to describe more FBI-influenced terror plots, and drops the tidbit that Susan Wiles worked for Netanyahu's reelection campaign in 2020.

I do seem to recall Trump, when referencing Iran, commenting, "I got him before he could get me"... So, yes that does seem to be the likely reason we are now neck deep in a war in Iran.

Edit: added link to article about Trump saying exactly that.

 

[Lt_Storm]

This whole war was triggered by Israel, because they want to snuff out any country hostile to them, before any hostile actions.

Because, of course, the brothers, sister's, and children of those you snuffed out obviously won't his a grudge and would never consider hostile actions because you murdered their families...

 

[TheColinous]

Because, of course, the brothers, sister's, and children of those you snuffed out obviously won't his a grudge and would never consider hostile actions because you murdered their families...

Well, armed resistance against a foreign army's attack on your country is obviously terrorism. I mean, the Ukrainian government is "The Kiev Regime", and its armed resistance is terrorism. Obviously, the US has never lost a war in recent history against a much less technologically advanced resistance, and if it did it was because that armed resistance was communist terrorist.

/s

 

[Macam]

It seems increasingly likely that Hegseth has war crimed himself in almost record time:



Link

And now we have Yair Lapid, Israel's opposition leader, calling for the complete destruction of Iran's oil fields on Kharg Island.

 

[Alexander]

The missile is also in “diving mode” meaning it was targeted at the place it struck (rather than a malfunction or something).

 

[ramases]

A major part of the IRGC's power is that they own, directly, 40% of the Iranian economy (e.g., 70% of all gas stations, several of the major banks etc). That gives those ~200K IRGC members a very strong incentive to keep the current regime on top.
As I wrote before the war, I don't see the US capable of regime change, which IMO requires killing about a million IRGC members and Basij, and then occupying the country with ~2M troops, long term (a generation at least) -- either technically, or planning-wise or execution-wise.

Hmn.

Iran is not Afghanistan in the sense it most definitely is a Westphalian state, with a quite highly educated people; a lot of them would be quite interested in a different model of society. The regime had quite a bit of trouble keeping the protest movements under control. The hold of the IRGC on those parts of the economy could be made very tenuous; running a refinery, a chain or gas station or a bank is after all difficult if you're holed up in some miserable mountainside hideout.

Perhaps ironically, from that perspective Iran' is not necessarily a more daunting endeavor than Iraq or Afghanistan. If one was willing to put enough troops on the ground, with the right inclination and the right RoE, until the insurgency had subsided sufficiently for it to turn into more or less a police matter, then over the timeline of 10-20 years, it might be able to be done.

Unfortunately, none of the actors involved here have any plan for such a ground deployment, the record for counterinsurgency-by-drone is abysmal, and even if they did neither Netanyahu nor Trump administrations seem to have the temperament for any boots-on-the-ground type of stuff that isn't the sort of COIN-by-genocide like seen in Gaza.

 

[cfenton]

It seems increasingly likely that Hegseth has war crimed himself in almost record time:



Link

And now we have Yair Lapid, Israel's opposition leader, calling for the complete destruction of Iran's oil fields on Kharg Island.

Do you have a link to an actual source for this? All I can see is a Bluesky post by The Tennessee Holler, whatever that is. If the BBC reported it, I'd rather see a story from them.

 

[Alexander]

Do you have a link to an actual source for this? All I can see is a Bluesky post by The Tennessee Holler, whatever that is. If the BBC reported it, I'd rather see a story from them.

BBC Verify endorsed the authenticity and geolocation of the videos but doesn't go as far as endorsing Bellingcat's framing or analysis, e.g. Bellingcat identifies the missile as an American Tomahawk but BBC doesn't say anything one way or another about that. (contra the claim in the bluesky link)

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yqqyly9n0o

 

[Macam]

Do you have a link to an actual source for this? All I can see is a Bluesky post by The Tennessee Holler, whatever that is. If the BBC reported it, I'd rather see a story from them.

This is a link to BBC Verify's existing page on the incident, but it has not been updated with the latest info. However, what that tweet from the Tennessee Holler (a generally quite reliable source IME) is that one of the BBC Verify's journalists (Sardarizadeh) retweeted (a.k.a. RT), Bellingcat's post (Bellingcat being a reliable cadre of international, independent journalists and researchers).

So there's a little game of sharing out what someone else said, but this is an ongoing research project/investigation and everyone involved in this chain is generally quite reliable. I'd expect to see something more definitive, insofar as a website vs a series of social media posts is that, in a short bit pending further research/verification.

EDIT: ninja'd by @Alexander