That seems hopelessly naive to me. Remember children are a low status group that can be pushed further down. MAGA voters gain relative status when children are victimized.
Epstein client list, does it exist or not?
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Depends on what you mean. Trump has redefined treason as going against Trump's interests. That's an act Obama can have done and Trump can't have.
That's getting a bit into caricaturizing them.*
Maybe if the children belong to an outgroup that would be the case. Too many of Epstein's victims are like their own children.
*though they so often make it easy
Conservatives do not give a single shit about other people's white children: public education, school lunch, postnatal care. They only pretend to care about Epstein's crimes as a means of justifying violence against political opponents.
But they do give a shit about other people's nonwhite children, which they treat as an active threat to society thanks to great replacement theory and other racism. Had Epstein trafficked only brown children he'd be a right wing saint.
Given the way that this is all about coercive power, might makes right so to speak, and how cruelty is often the point, I'm not sure this analysis works. After all, parents have power over their children, therefore, within this framework, parents doing bad things to those children is justified. And then you have rich people who have more power than those parents; which implies they can take whatever they want from those parents, including the 'right' to do horrible things to their children. In doing so, Trump demonstrated he has might, and at least part of this political movement is built on might makes right.
Of course, people are complicated and often hold divergent ideas. So, it's likely that "this could be my children" is a thought some of them have from time to time regarding this. How they harmonize those two perspectives is.... complicated. most likely try do so using a series of lies allowing them to deny the reality of the situation while simultaneously reveling in the aura of power generated by Trump's transgression and the fact he gets away with it.
And, anyway, getting to have such a powerful virile man in you bed.... 
. Let's just say that, when you see Trump as Superman, you might be less bothered by the idea of... .
I suppose that the presence of the term "jail bait" in our lingo really says it all.
Edit: Now excuse me while I go find some brain bleach.
. Let's just say that, when you see Trump as Superman, you might be less bothered by the idea of... .I suppose that the presence of the term "jail bait" in our lingo really says it all.
Edit: Now excuse me while I go find some brain bleach.
Brain bleach you say? There's a FP article that may helpAnd, anyway, getting to have such a powerful virile man in you bed....
I suppose that the presence of the term "jail bait" in our lingo really says it all.
Edit: Now excuse me while I go find some brain bleach.
https://meincmagazine.com/health/2025/07/inventor-claims-bleach-injections-will-destroy-cancer-tumors/
I would have loved to say not this, but skipped out on Jan 6, skipped out on 34 felonies, taxes, hell not even verified cheating on his gold courses, etc...So if it is this that finally brings some semblance of normalcy, I am all for it.
It does distract from all the other damage he could be doing, and now he has actually said he has never been to the island. Which should be able to be disproven rather easily.
Got your answer for this one...LOL, You're stupid and the question is stupid and you must work for the failing Fake New station.
That seems to be the default answer for those solid hard hitting questions he gets asked.
Every accusation is a blah blah blah...
I don't know if he was too dumb or too brain-addled to realize what he did, but Trump just linked himself to one of Epstein's most vocal and publicized victims, Virginia Giuffre. I really hope this causes more people, especially in Congress, to push for disclosures and investigation.
A video of him doing bad things with Epstein cheering in the background could come out and it wouldn't matter. This is the same guy who's already blaming democrats for planting bad things about him in the Epstein files.
This scandal is moving too fast to keep up with. Yesterday Trump referred to travel to Epstein Island as a "privilege", today there are rumors that the FBI is in possession of the uncut Epstein jail video. But what is on it?
Also it looks like Trump won't pardon Ghislaine, instead arranging things with the SCOTUS to vacate her conviction entirely.
Also it looks like Trump won't pardon Ghislaine, instead arranging things with the SCOTUS to vacate her conviction entirely.
It's not news that Giuffre had worked at Mar-a-Lago. She got the job through her dad, who worked there as a maintenance manager.
Here's one article from 2022:
What's news is that Trump is changing his story about why he fell out with Epstein, previously it had reported that it was over some Florida real estate they both wanted.
It is my understanding that this was never corroborated by anyone in Trump's organization until now.
I must admit I was not expecting his defense to be "of course I kicked him out, he was bogarting my trafficking business".
So if I am following this:
First he is on the list
Then he is not on the list,
*There is no list (alternate universe or timeline)
then might be on the list, but nothing bad,
* There is a list for sure (alternate universe or timeline)
He is on the list but the democrats put his name there.
and never has been to the island. Need to find the flight list to see where he flew.
But the list that may or not exist may or may not has his name, but he knows for sure Clinton went to the island (he has never been too) 28 times.
He was great friends with Epstein
Drew pretty pictures for birthday, he meant doesn't draw pictures (insert photo of skyline with signature)
Got rid of him for being a creep,
Whoops, meant broke contact over a real estate deal
Whoops I meant poaching employees
For sure broke contact over poaching employees, and now specifically an 18 year old that also shows up in files and a criminal case.
Now I may be one of those lunatic left wing nuts, but looking at these, seems to me, these stories not only would feed the masses but should call into question what is really going on and why he keeps getting questions on it.
I always told my kids, if you are going to lie, keep it simple, don't change story and stick to one story...
First he is on the list
Then he is not on the list,
*There is no list (alternate universe or timeline)
then might be on the list, but nothing bad,
* There is a list for sure (alternate universe or timeline)
He is on the list but the democrats put his name there.
and never has been to the island. Need to find the flight list to see where he flew.
But the list that may or not exist may or may not has his name, but he knows for sure Clinton went to the island (he has never been too) 28 times.
He was great friends with Epstein
Drew pretty pictures for birthday, he meant doesn't draw pictures (insert photo of skyline with signature)
Got rid of him for being a creep,
Whoops, meant broke contact over a real estate deal
Whoops I meant poaching employees
For sure broke contact over poaching employees, and now specifically an 18 year old that also shows up in files and a criminal case.
Now I may be one of those lunatic left wing nuts, but looking at these, seems to me, these stories not only would feed the masses but should call into question what is really going on and why he keeps getting questions on it.
I always told my kids, if you are going to lie, keep it simple, don't change story and stick to one story...
Who would have guessed the man who walks in on teen beauty pageant entrants changing and brags about his taste in young women would have anything at all to do with a known child trafficker, with whom he has been photographed frequently? I mean, the man has certainly shown no sense of entitlement so vast that he would openly brag about sexually assaulting women and getting away with it because of his wealth!
I'm sure that whatever reasons his administration has for making moves to exonerate the only convicted trafficker in the case, they are perfectly innocent. This is what people not at all guilty of sex crimes do!
Is it really a big deal and actually damaging Trump’s approval? I feel/fear the whole thing is just media wants their cut of the eyeballs. We have already heard all the bad things about Trumps long before he runs for presidency in 2016. He is still the same man. He has never claimed that he is changed man.
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This is the appropriate framing and not as some have suggested that he cares about Epstein poaching a nobody employee. Trump only views women as sex objects and has made that clear his entire life. If he wasn’t actively trafficking, he certainly was very interested in the business.
Also, when Trump accuses people of specific crimes, it’s almost always projection. Clinton was a sex pest for sure, and maybe Clinton did go 28 times, or maybe it was Trump himself who went. It’s a short flight from Mar Lago and he has nothing to do with his time.
The conservative Reddit thread is also having issues buying the story, as this is one of their top posts:
I love it. So not the locker room talk, not the boys will be boys, not the double impeachments, the E.G. Carol issue, the Porn star issue, the multiple affairs while married and devote Christian, the 34 federal convictions, nor the tax form reveal...(deep breath) the medicare/medicade cuts, the tax cuts for the rich, the inflation, the increase to deficit spending, the new tally to the national debt, his many promotions from bibles to flags, to a cell phone, don't forget the personal trips of golf, the cheating at golf, and finally the crypto coin from just about all the family members that crashed at the expense of his supporters and they made money...but
Rather it will (might) be because the hoax that he actually started/spread because the lie became too great?
I have a neighbor that has been flying a Trump flag since his first term. I guess I will know when it is over when the flag comes down.
stealth edit to add in: deporting of family members of supporters, Jan 6th, pardoning the Jan 6th, the *free plane, and many many more...
Rather it will (might) be because the hoax that he actually started/spread because the lie became too great?
I have a neighbor that has been flying a Trump flag since his first term. I guess I will know when it is over when the flag comes down.
stealth edit to add in: deporting of family members of supporters, Jan 6th, pardoning the Jan 6th, the *free plane, and many many more...
Virginia Guiffre's surviving family are not taking Trump's casual, objectifying language of her lying down.
https://www.npr.org/2025/08/01/nx-s1-5488736/virginia-giuffre-family-trump-epstein
https://www.npr.org/2025/08/01/nx-s1-5488736/virginia-giuffre-family-trump-epstein
But hey, at least there's this:
... for all it's worth.
That’s probably technically true. They aren’t considering it; it’s already been decided and is just waiting to be announced when the time is right.
It fits with the recent news about Trump considering a P Diddy pardon, and inviting Lawrence Taylor to the White House. Trump and the entire Republican party have gone all-in on pedos and sex offenders now that the President's been confirmed as so thoroughly documented in the Epstein Files that they can't be released even with heavy redaction and the entire deep state FBI and DOJ apparatus working overtime to scrub him.
It's kind of wild the Republican Party has become a bunch of hardcore sex zealots. They're all-in on both aggressive sex offenders and sex defenders.
So I just saw a video from Julie K. Brown saying the epstein video wasn't even of his cell, and was in a completely different wing. I haven't seen much mention if this, as all the focus seems to have been on the missing minute and editing so not sure if it's 100% accurate. It looks like she's a reporter from the Miami Herald who did a lot of work on the Epstein story, but I don't know enough about her to say how credible she is.
That came up on one of the comedy shows this past week as well. It seems that the video only barely covers the stairs to the wing he was housed in and someone could fairly easily walked in, to his cell, and back out without stepping on that footage unless he used the hand rail on the stairs (because that's all that shows up).
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The thing is that diagram is clearly somewhat inaccurate, as, in the image, we only see the handrail for the relevant staircase. Yes, someone climbing it could be caught on that camera, if they used that handrail or the few inches of stairs visible. But, they also could have remained entirely hidden if they kept to the opposite side of the stairs. And, of course, it also doesn't cover the entrance to the area. As such, it's possible (though, honestly, I would still consider it unlikely) that someone could have sneaked their way in and out without that camera recording anything relevant (except, maybe, strange shadows, that depends on the lighting).
At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, maybe there was nothing to see on the actual video, but it was doctored to make it look like somebody was trying (badly) to hide something? Not sure why that would be, though. Just pandering to the murder conspiracy theory. Which I don't accept, fwiw... How does Trump benefit from Epstein's suicide looking like murder, at this point?
My point was that the location of the cameras is not new information.
It's pretty much how organized crime works. The only people a criminal can trust are fellow criminals, which is why initiation into a gang or crime family usually involves committing a crime. And then criminals are highly motivated to band together because jail. This is why snitching is akin to high treason among the guilty.
All the noise about fighting sex offenders is the usual smokescreen and confession-as-accusation, with a heaping spoonful of vranyo thrown in.