Intel claims its new Tiger Lake-H CPUs for laptops beat AMD’s Ryzen 5000
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Same way last time? When the laptops compared were from completely different price segments, let alone running the same GPUs?
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So, will it beat the AMD desktop chips like the 11000 series did?? (barely if at all)
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Power draw information is conspicuously absent. If its like there desktop high end chips, did they thrown out the tdp limits and now they will have 15 minute battery life and a 20lb power brick?
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Correction, the subtitle says "Flagship Core i9-11980HK claims to beat Ryzen 9 5900X by 11 to 26 percent." but should read "Flagship Core i9-11980HK claims to beat Ryzen 9 5900HX by 11 to 26 percent."
Initially I was surprised to read a mobile core could beat out the desktop 5900x.
Initially I was surprised to read a mobile core could beat out the desktop 5900x.
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Considering that this is an Intel performed "review" and slideshow, yeah....nope.
Cmon Ars, you should know better by now that you cannot trust any single Intel press release.
Meanwhile in the real world....
Cmon Ars, you should know better by now that you cannot trust any single Intel press release.
Meanwhile in the real world....
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Up until very recently, Intel was leading in power consumption on mobile and that was with 14nm+++++++++ so here's hoping for intel actually doing well with 10nm SuperFin. Im quite happy with my desktop Ryzen 5600x, but Im in the market for a new laptop and if Intel/AMD fail to deliver on performance and power consumption by the years end, Im probably just jumping ship to the anticipated Apple Silicon MacBook Pro refresh.
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Huh. I'd say the release of the RTX 3050 Ti is more newsworthy.
Provided you can actually get it off course. But I am going to assume that these chips are the result of binning, and that they are somewhat worthless for mining. So there is at least hope...
Provided you can actually get it off course. But I am going to assume that these chips are the result of binning, and that they are somewhat worthless for mining. So there is at least hope...
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I'm genuinely pulling for Intel. I buy a lot of AMD chips, but hope Intel does well and keeps pace long-term.
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I'm far more interested in the 10nm desktop "Alder Lake" stuff coming out later this year. I'm curious to see if the whole hybrid core thing will offer AMD a bit more competition.
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Starbucks wood tables are going to need to be reengineered with more fire resistant products.
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Core i9-11980HK* beats** AMD's Ryzen 9 5900HX by anywhere from 11† to 26‡ percent.
* In bath of LN2
** For 20ms until throttles
† With 3-phase 415V supply
‡ Executing 2,048 bit SuperVectorAdder instruction continuously
* In bath of LN2
** For 20ms until throttles
† With 3-phase 415V supply
‡ Executing 2,048 bit SuperVectorAdder instruction continuously
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Intel desktop 11th gen didn't even beat Intel 10th gen reliably, and there was even some performance regression.
I'm taking everything Intel says about 11th gen laptop performance with Dead Sea ammounts of salt.
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This is a press release, Ars. You REALLY should not be repeating claims from Chipzilla in your headlines.
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We've already seen their existing 4-core Tiger Lake chips are competent.
But now it gets interesting because there are fairly similar 8-core products on both 14nm (desktop) and 10nm (laptop), so we should get a good look at what the 10nm process is good for.
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This sketch of a processor I drew on a Post-It note also beats the Ryzen 5000 series... at being a drawing on a Post-It note!
I hope Intel climbs out of the rut they've been stuck in for the last few years, but I've heard just about enough of their benchmarks that purport to prove that they have.
I hope Intel climbs out of the rut they've been stuck in for the last few years, but I've heard just about enough of their benchmarks that purport to prove that they have.
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From what I've seen of actual results from non-Intel sources, Tiger Lake really is as fast as Intel is saying if not more so.
>> Some Tiger Lake U-series (dual core) laptops are already out and blowing everything else out of the water, esp. the single core performance.
>> Some Tiger Lake U-series (dual core) laptops are already out and blowing everything else out of the water, esp. the single core performance.
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Suuuuure... with double the power consumption and in really specific use case, but they won't tell us that.
I mean, who do you think you're fooling, Intel? You've barely made any progress since the 6th gen, while AMD went from being the laughing stock with their FX series and their horrible E-series on latop to surpassing you again and again with each new gen with Ryzen, while you've made CPUs with higher clock speed by having stupidly high power consumption and overheating problems (the same problems the AMD FX had, what a coincidence!)
I mean, who do you think you're fooling, Intel? You've barely made any progress since the 6th gen, while AMD went from being the laughing stock with their FX series and their horrible E-series on latop to surpassing you again and again with each new gen with Ryzen, while you've made CPUs with higher clock speed by having stupidly high power consumption and overheating problems (the same problems the AMD FX had, what a coincidence!)
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I agree. I miss the days of significant CPU gains pushing me to upgrade my computer every few years. I'm running a 5 year old Skylake. This weekend it gets upgraded to a Ryzen 5900X (still running an GTX 660 though since its impossible to buy new GPUs).
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I mean the headline is literally "Intel claims ___", not Ars just says ___ - not sure what the problem is with that. The story is about the announcement, not actual review of released product. And it probably will be that much faster - in some very specific picked use case, just like every other tech product comparison.
My personal favorite is how all the companies claim "X% faster than previous generation!!!"...but are referencing a product that is 2-4 generations ago, not the specific previous gen.
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You should take a look at the Asus g14, the model with a 5900hs and 3060 is ~ $1400, even cheaper if you can snag an open box from Best Buy. Otherwise the Apple Silicon stuff is gonna be hard to beat. As someone who's never bought Apple hardware, if I were in the market for a laptop today as a secondary device the MacBook Air would be tough to beat
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Having been burnt by Intel breaking their Linux GPU driver on granted old hardware, I won't be going back to Intel. I trust AMD more to keep the Linux drivers working.
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Process size values these days have about as much to do with transistor density as processor clock speeds have to do with actual job speeds. For as much as I like to rehash the MHz wars of the Netburst era in different form, maybe it is time to retire this particular debate.Considering that this is an Intel performed "review" and slideshow, yeah....nope.
Cmon Ars, you should know better by now that you cannot trust any single Intel press release.
Meanwhile in the real world....
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This could well be correct. It will really depend on who is actually putting chips in laptops that you can buy.
Ryzen mobile has been nothing but paper launches for the current Zen node, at least for 2021. I’m buying a laptop soon, and I’d rather it be Ryzen, but if Intel hits the right price point and the Ryzen equivalent is being sold in irregularly listed lots of 30 on Amazon, I’m going with Intel.
Every computer I’ve built since Zen 1 has had an AMD chip in it, but I’m tired of playing Freddy Fuckaround waiting to get a current chip from AMD.
Any available Intel chip is infinitely faster than an unavailable Ryzen chip.
Ryzen mobile has been nothing but paper launches for the current Zen node, at least for 2021. I’m buying a laptop soon, and I’d rather it be Ryzen, but if Intel hits the right price point and the Ryzen equivalent is being sold in irregularly listed lots of 30 on Amazon, I’m going with Intel.
Every computer I’ve built since Zen 1 has had an AMD chip in it, but I’m tired of playing Freddy Fuckaround waiting to get a current chip from AMD.
Any available Intel chip is infinitely faster than an unavailable Ryzen chip.
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And by the way, I wonder for how long the 11980HK beats the 5900HX when running inside a laptop. Probably just long enough for a 30 seconds benchmark to complete.
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The new card was spotted at the end of a rainbow, surrounded by unicorns. Good luck getting one!
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I'm a little salty that my company ordered an XPS 15 for me weeks ago that still hasn't even entered production yet. By the time I finally get it, it will be a model behind, but that said, I'd be amazed if these are actually a substantial bump up (I'm more going to miss out on the RTX 3050 probably).
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Zen3 has a transistor density of 51 MTr/mm² Intel claims their 10nm process hits >100Mtr/mm², but that's for sRAM not logic, it will be interesting to see where the overall density of the die ends up for Tiger Lake, I can't find any site that has either the die size or billions of transistor count for these processors yet.Considering that this is an Intel performed "review" and slideshow, yeah....nope.
Cmon Ars, you should know better by now that you cannot trust any single Intel press release.
Meanwhile in the real world....
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They're really significant going from a Skylake generation to 5900X for everything, especially outside of gaming. For gaming it's about 50% gain, sometimes more depending on the game.
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So weird to me when someone will make an entire ecosystem decision based on a couple percentage points of performance. I've got thousands of hours invested into my environment, the ecosystem and maximizing my use. If Apple comes along and makes something thats 10% faster, the amount of time I lose changing my entire setup costs me that a thousand times over. Then next year someone else comes out with something faster and you do it all over? This is bizarre to me.
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