Battlestar Galactica reboot to get new reboot from Mr. Robot creator

Just... please... for the love of all that is holy... no more weird metaphysical bullshit.

Just give me some god damn good sci-fi.

The Expanse totes that line...

The Expanse has blue crystal vomit zombies and meteors that self-propel without ejecting mass...

I love it, I do, but it is dipping into the weird for sure at the point I'm at (near end of season 2.)
And it gets weirder. I wonder if TV will ever be ready for a truly hard sci-fi show?

Yeah, I feel the blue crystal zombie b plot is just not necessary... The world building of the Expanse is totally enough to keep me engaged... The Political intrigue and acting is excellent... The characters, for the most part, were/are fantastic (but get lost in the b plot)...

It is enough sci-fi for me to have the magic propulsion that still sortta kinda fits in with basic laws of physics, even if the mechanism is beyond realistic thermodynamics...

It is the same way I feel about GoT not needing the Time Travel (TM) business... It made for 1 amazing sceen in 1 episode, but wrecked the organic nature of how the series was progressing as a whole...

There is a whole list of shows whose non-supernatural plot-line was sufficient to carry the stories... (Witchblade is another that comes to mind... The corrupt cop plot line didn't need a magical sword, it was still a good series without it...)

That ain't the B plot of The Expanse. That's the arc plot. Without the zombies you don't get the gate and without the gate you don't get whatever killed the gate builders.
 
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Battlestar Galactica, which arguably launched the current era of plot arc-heavy, short-season dramas that now defines prestige TV, is coming back. Again.
You misspelled "The Sopranos".

I think you're looking for Babylon 5, the first TV series which has a multi-season plot.
I think you're looking for Quantum Leap, the first TV series which has a multi-season plot.

(I assume this is turtles all the way down).
 
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Jiraiya

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Oh come on. Can we have a Babylon 5 reboot instead?

I want Space Precinct 2040! No one even remembers that one! Perfect for creative freedom.

I do. But if we're including British stuff in the reboot grinder I'd put in votes for "Blake's 7" and "Star Cops".
 
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I greatly enjoyed the 2004 series even with the downturns it took along the way. How many times has a series ended in a way that satisfies all viewers? Answer: 0

Blackadder Goes Forth, one of the best English comedy shows ever made, with the most poigniant, gut wrenching endings. I cried seeing it for the first time, and I'm not English. You won't find a single criticism of it in the UK.
 
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Just... please... for the love of all that is holy... no more weird metaphysical bullshit.

Just give me some god damn good sci-fi.

The Expanse totes that line...

The Expanse has blue crystal vomit zombies and meteors that self-propel without ejecting mass...

I love it, I do, but it is dipping into the weird for sure at the point I'm at (near end of season 2.)
And it gets weirder. I wonder if TV will ever be ready for a truly hard sci-fi show?

Yeah, I feel the blue crystal zombie b plot is just not necessary... The world building of the Expanse is totally enough to keep me engaged... The Political intrigue and acting is excellent... The characters, for the most part, were/are fantastic (but get lost in the b plot)...

It is enough sci-fi for me to have the magic propulsion that still sortta kinda fits in with basic laws of physics, even if the mechanism is beyond realistic thermodynamics...

It is the same way I feel about GoT not needing the Time Travel (TM) business... It made for 1 amazing sceen in 1 episode, but wrecked the organic nature of how the series was progressing as a whole...

There is a whole list of shows whose non-supernatural plot-line was sufficient to carry the stories... (Witchblade is another that comes to mind... The corrupt cop plot line didn't need a magical sword, it was still a good series without it...)

That ain't the B plot of The Expanse. That's the arc plot. Without the zombies you don't get the gate and without the gate you don't get whatever killed the gate builders.

I get that... And yet... I didn't need the gate or the gate killers... I was more than satisfied with the political/corporate strife and the look of future humanity... And that Mormon ship was worth a few more stand alone episodes...
 
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The original script was indeed 5 season, but JMS was forced to cram them in 4, since there was a rumor that the show was going to be cancelled (pulling this from memory, will confirm later), then after he did that, he got the green light for what we now call season 5.


Yeah I knew that but that doesn't change what I said I prefer the season 4 finale as the real ending (since it goes so much further into the future) for the franchise over the season 5 finale which is an ending for the station and characters.
 
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The writing was good throughout.

The controversy was when they wrote stories that were paralleling current events. Two things especially come to mind. In the season where cylons captured most of humanity:
1. the humans (good guys) used suicide bombers to revolt against cylons and at the time in the real world suicide bombing used against US occupation of Iraq was being called terrorism. People didnt like it when shown the viewpoint of the other side.
2. Then cylons used torture to try to get information and were shown to be monsters, while many in the US were in favor of torture against anyone we call terrorist or might be a terrorist. People didnt like it when it was shown that what they were supporting was monsterous.

Did the writers claim that was their intention, because the Cylon's kamikaze'd there ships (suicide) and the humans both 'spaced' (executed) Cylon prisoners and raped the Cylon 6 to break her will.

edit: half ninja'd by henryhbk

Thats not the point though.
There's no point in defending the cylons. They were indisputably portrayed as monstrous, and this is where many had a hard time with the show. Even if you can find a way to see the cylon's side of it, many saw these episodes as a slap in the face as far as their own political beliefs.

Can a machine operating with no emotion and incapable of empathy due to the choices of its creators be considered monstrous though? I mean if a machine is following its predefined programming then who is the monster? The machine or the one that created it? Keeping in mind that Cavill and the others weren’t some evolutionary step within the cylon factories/growth. They were expressly engineered by the final five. So really it is the final five that were the monsters.

Again, not the point. People obviously did see them as monstrous.
 
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Anyone remember the failed spinoff of orginal battlestar ?

Set on modern earth with vipers that transformed into motorcycles ?

That's the horrible "Galactica 1980" I mentioned earlier. If you can forget it, you should.

Yeah thankfully only vaguely recall it.
Except it seemed even more christian subplot heavy .. And my brain keeps falsely casting donny Osman and the blond guy from chips in the leads.. At least i hope its false.
 
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Madestjohn

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Oh come on. Can we have a Babylon 5 reboot instead?

Can we have brand new sci fi stories rather than rebooted ones?

That's kinda hard as so much scfi is based on shorts written in 1950/1960s
Look at recent films
Arrival, good adaptation as original scifi aliens with different time perception was more focused on the river crossing problem in military negotiations
Passengers, bad adaptation og scifi had him much more anti hero as he was part of plot with another colonizer to wake up ealry to set themselves up as king and queen in new world but decides to wake up and have fling with pretty girl first then gets bored of her refreezes/ kills her wakes up his orginal coplotter who promply kills him as she made same deal with another male that she actually liked story ends as he looses conciousness gloating as he had already killed all other males and wondering why he hadn't stuck with first girl
 
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Anyone remember the failed spinoff of orginal battlestar ?

Set on modern earth with vipers that transformed into motorcycles ?

That's the horrible "Galactica 1980" I mentioned earlier. If you can forget it, you should.

Yeah thankfully only vaguely recall it.
Except it seemed even more christian subplot heavy .. And my brain keeps falsely casting donny Osman and the blond guy from chips in the leads.. At least i hope its false.

Unfortunately, my memory is such that I remember almost everything.

Yes, there was a sort of Christian sublot--the rag-tag fleet was nominally still led by Adama, but the person in charge was actually a child, named Doctor Z. Doctor Z was the offspring of Starbuck and one of those mysterious angelic beings that we occasionally saw in the original series, but this fact was only shown in a single episode that I believe was entitled "The Return of Starbuck".

Anyway, the lead for the show was a grown up Boxy, but he went by his actual name, Troy. And the reason you're probably reminded of CHiPs is that this character was played by Kent McCord-- the young cop from "Adam-12". The whole idea for the show was that after 20 years of wandering they found Earth, but we were too primitive to help them against the Cylons. So they were going to send their kids to Earth to be safe(r) and use them to raise our technology to a point where we could help them. Unfortunately, the Cylons were still pursuing them, and they found Earth too. Only at this point, the Cylons had developed machines that looked exactly like us. (so now you know where the reboot got that idea)

Thankfully, it only lasted a single season.
 
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Also, Olmos is Bill Adama. I can't see anyone else pull off that character like he did.

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Woah woah there...check thyself......
 
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So how long before they're rebooting shows that haven't even ended yet?

Actually, the question is "how long before they're rebooting shows that haven't even started yet"... :)

I think this has already happened. I remember the B5 versus DS9 wars of the 90s. Both claimed the other was ripping them off. (At least on the fan side.) While DS9 got to air first, B5 had more evidence it was an idea on paper first. (note:20+ year old memories here)

I also remember a B5 blooper reel where someone asks where General Hague is and the response was "he went to deep space 9". The actor Robert Foxworth had left his B5 role because he got a role on DS9.
 
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The original Battlestar Galactica was on the air for all of one season, running from fall 1978 to spring 1979. A 2003 miniseries revisiting the core concept⁠—robots called Cylons are coming to kill us all, and that's Very Bad⁠—served as the backdoor pilot to an eventual four-season run on the SyFy basic cable network (then called Sci Fi). The reboot series, which ran from 2004 to 2008, proved divisive among fans, inspiring passionate responses to both undeniably strong and extremely questionable writing choices throughout its run.
Those choices did not come from the writing staff or the showrunners -- the network execs kept tripping over everyone mandating how the show needs to go.

Ron Moor had a plan for a 5 year run (which we never got Season 5) then a writers strike slammed into the middle of 07-08 and the execs opted to cut the series short by 1 year so everything got f*ed up.

So don;t blame the writers trying to make the most of a very bad situation when they had very little choice in the matter.
 
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I greatly enjoyed the 2004 series even with the downturns it took along the way. How many times has a series ended in a way that satisfies all viewers? Answer: 0

Babylon 5.

Oh, sure, plenty of complaints about season 5, but I've not heard anyone complain about the ending.



The ending for B5 is and always will be season 4 episode 22 The Deconstruction of Falling Stars which should be watched after season 5 episode 22 Sleeping in Light.

The original script was indeed 5 season, but JMS was forced to cram them in 4, since there was a rumor that the show was going to be cancelled (pulling this from memory, will confirm later), then after he did that, he got the green light for what we now call season 5.

That's basically correct. Though the un-cancellation happened early enough to do some minor rejiggering of season 4, too. In particular, Sleeping in Light was filmed as part of season 4, and then when season 5 was greenlit Deconstruction of Falling Stars was filmed (as part of the season 5 production block?).

Also, what ended up crammed into season 4 wasn't going to fill the entirety of season 5, but was going to be a bit more spaced out than it was aired. So, something like the Shadow war would've ended more like half way way through season 4, and season 4 would've ended on a cliffhanger in the middle of the Earth civil war, with the liberation of Earth coming in the first part of season 5. I don't remember how much of what ended up being in season 5 was originally planned for season 5. I'm not sure if maybe some of the B plots of season 5 would've originally been in season 4, with slightly different personnel?
 
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nBSG started strong. The miniseries showed promise and season 1 was incredible. Season 2 was very good as was the first part of Season 3. But Ron Moore ran out of ideas at the end of season 2, and so there was no direction. The Cylons never had a plan.
The first 3 seasons of the Ronald Moore BSG were brilliant.
- Agreed that by season 4 Moore didn’t know how to end it.
(Kind of reminds me of George RR Martin & the end of GoT.)

* As for this new reboot, the same problems still apply.
Writing a series to move a story along seems far easier than coming up with a satisfactory ending.
 
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Battlestar Galactica, which arguably launched the current era of plot arc-heavy, short-season dramas that now defines prestige TV, is coming back. Again.
You misspelled "The Sopranos".

I think you're looking for Babylon 5, the first TV series which has a multi-season plot.
I think you're looking for Quantum Leap, the first TV series which has a multi-season plot.

(I assume this is turtles all the way down).

I think you're looking for "Wagon Train" (1957 - 1962)

"The series chronicles the adventures of a wagon train as it makes its way from St. Joseph Missouri across the Mid-Western plains and the Rocky Mountains to California and the trials and tribulations of the series regulars who conducted the train through the American West."
 
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Oh come on. Can we have a Babylon 5 reboot instead?
J. Micheal Strazincsky (spelling) won't let it happen. he has control of the IP and as such is actively blocking such attempts.

While it saddens me to know that B5 won't be rendered in high quality productions it makes me happy to know that a cheap rip off also won't happen.

After the desaster of the SpinOff I can't argue with that. Still sad..
 
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You know what, I don't hate this idea. We've had the intelligent, quality BSG reboot. Let's just have some crazy fun action based reboot. For quality space sci fi, we have The Expanse now.

Oh come on. Can we have a Babylon 5 reboot instead?
J. Micheal Strazincsky (spelling) won't let it happen. he has control of the IP and as such is actively blocking such attempts.

While it saddens me to know that B5 won't be rendered in high quality productions it makes me happy to know that a cheap rip off also won't happen.


Its worse than that. JMS has movie rights and WB has TV rights and refuses to sell to JMS.

Who has the streaming rights to the franchise? I think it would be possible to go streaming only like the newer star treks and I guess the orville is now.

Ooh, isn't it possible that WB could do Babylon 5 without JMS? Anything's possible nowadays. I just read they're rebooting Hogan's Heroes. No I'm not kidding.

https://deadline.com/2019/09/hogans-her ... 202736850/
 
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