Xbox Controller Question and a small rant.

[Onyx]

Trilby[/url]":8oifnrkn]The sticks are offset so that the most natural hand position gives you one thumb on the left stick and one over the buttons.

But if those are the "sweet" spots for thumbs it would be better to have the right stick high for all those shooters and other camera swinging third-person games. You need to change your quick action button from A to the Y, but otherwise symmetrical would be ideal on those types of games. However Krimhorn mentioned something about having movement and camera on the same plane as more difficult for the brain to process, which is something I hadn't heard of and would have to think more about, but for me they're already separate sides and thumbs which I thought gave me good enough feel for how each is different.

The PS3 placement is a vestige of how the controller was designed.

So why did Nintendo also go with symmetrical thumbsticks for their tablet and Pro controller? They were designed from scratch and still chose not to do the offset method.

I think offset depends on the game and how wide that natural sweet spot is for your thumbs, but for many popular games like shooters/third-person stuff I still think having sticks on just that exact spot at opposite sides makes sense.

 

[GaoZu]

Ha, what a weirdo. We all know that the PS3 controller is muff cabbage. Thats why I have a 360 controller for my ps3.

 

[ShapeGSX]

Onyx[/url]":1zvccp11]
So why did Nintendo also go with symmetrical thumbsticks for their tablet and Pro controller? They were designed from scratch and still chose not to do the offset method.

Nintendo thought that waggle for button presses was the way to go, and you're using them as an example? :eyebrow:

 

[Shudder]

Onyx[/url]":2sv05ha8]
So why did Nintendo also go with symmetrical thumbsticks for their tablet and Pro controller? They were designed from scratch and still chose not to do the offset method.

I guess this goes into a deeper debate question: Would you rather have 2 oddly-placed symmetrical sticks (PS3), offset ones where the movement stick is in the best spot (360), or have symmetrical with the movement in the best spot but buttons become more out of place (Wii U)?

My stance on that is given the fact that my left thumb is primarily moving and my right thumb is primarily button-pressing, the 360 works the best

 

[Witecat]

I have used both controllers for a while myself. Personally, I think that the PS3 controller is better for stuff like fighting games and 3rd person action games and the 360 contoller is superior for FPSs.

I also know that there are controllers that do offer the ability to swap the stick for the d-pad. I heard good things about the newer MadCatz controllers, especially since they are now moving away from cheap crappy controllers to premium ones. Their gaming quality keyboards are phenominal. I would check out Gamestop.com for them or whatever e-retailer you prefer.

If that is not an option, I recomment the Razor Onza or the Razor Sabertooth. I use the Onza right now. It is a smaller controller with very responsive facebuttons. the triggers are a little long, but they are well tuned for FPS games. The sabertooth is newer and has a better d-pad and a programable pad that actiually stores any presets you make.

 

[Onyx]

ShapeGSX[/url]":2uf1q4xf]

Onyx[/url]":2uf1q4xf]
So why did Nintendo also go with symmetrical thumbsticks for their tablet and Pro controller? They were designed from scratch and still chose not to do the offset method.

Nintendo thought that waggle for button presses was the way to go, and you're using them as an example? :eyebrow:

Yup, but if Nintendo's long history on controller design is lost because of waggle I'm not sure what cred MS has with me shaking my ass to Kinect to activate something.

Shudder[/url]":2uf1q4xf]

Onyx[/url]":2uf1q4xf]
So why did Nintendo also go with symmetrical thumbsticks for their tablet and Pro controller? They were designed from scratch and still chose not to do the offset method.

I guess this goes into a deeper debate question: Would you rather have 2 oddly-placed symmetrical sticks (PS3), offset ones where the movement stick is in the best spot (360), or have symmetrical with the movement in the best spot but buttons become more out of place (Wii U)?

But the Wii U Pro controller is basically swapping the right side, so if those buttons are out of place on the Wii U you're saying the Xbox 360 right stick is out of place.

I don't know if a row of high sticks or low sticks are more comfortable to the natural thumb position, but I only understand you wanting offset sticks if most of your gaming is interacting with face buttons and not the right stick.

 

[Wwen]

Psion[/url]":1fqtz2x5]

usku[/url]":1fqtz2x5]
Not trying to start a flame war,

blatant lie #1....000.

Seriously? You actually wrote that? And expected us to believe it? You're either delusional or this is the lowest rent trolling I've seen all week.

over controllers. Really. of all the things to get e-rage over, you pick controllers. I don't even know, man. This one's on you.

I don't want you to take this personally, but you suck. "I don't want, but" absolves you of any responsibility for what happens after. Even if you suspect that's what happened. Just like saying "Sir, you are a dumbass. What? I said 'sir.'" If only Hitler was like, "I don't want to be genocidal, but lets gas em anyway."

/end thread

 

[usku]

Psion[/url]":3h3q2l45]

usku[/url]":3h3q2l45]
Not trying to start a flame war,

blatant lie #1....000.

Seriously? You actually wrote that? And expected us to believe it? You're either delusional or this is the lowest rent trolling I've seen all week.

over controllers. Really. of all the things to get e-rage over, you pick controllers. I don't even know, man. This one's on you.

Fail at quoting. Just like fox news.

Quoting myself

Not trying to start a flame war, because I know some people are delusional over the the 360 controller. ( my wife for example)
Obviously, I knew what I was doing. Should have seen the flame war at home when my wife read this post.
Regardless, it was all in good fun. I know the premise of the post. Even if I had asked nicely, there would have been 30 posts of derision on why oh why usku would you want a PS3 controller for the Xbox because the xbox controller is obviously superior to Sonys turd of a design.

This is the internet. I can't force all of you to be right.

 

[mhac]

Huma_22[/url]":3fhqhw31]Your opinion is wrong.

WW. However, I have a potential solution for you (and to let everybody have and eat cake).






Cronus Cross-over Gaming Device. I did a pretty thorough review for using an Xbox 360 third party controller on a PS3 (I'm strongly opinionated with the opposite preference). This device comes with a bluetooth adapter that supposed to let you use a PS3 controller on an Xbox 360 right out of the box after you authenticate with a wired Xbox 360 controller. List of compatible devices. Online directions for PS3 in wireless mode and for Bluetooth adapters.

Also:

/edit crap, forgot about the stupid xbox authentication (which you've already mentioned now that I reed moar gud).



-mhac³

 

[Psion]

usku[/url]":hc240wyh]
Fail at quoting. Just like fox news.

No, the rest of your quote was irrelevant to my point. You deliberately incited flames by juvenile trollbait shit like "some people are delusional over the 360 controller" as opposed to "I prefer the PS3 one, even though I know most of you here prefer the 360 one." See the difference?

"I'm not _____ but," style posting does not actually absolve you.

Let me be clear: I don't give a damn what controller you like. I do, however, find your shitty posting to be, well, shitty.

 

[Magus`]

usku[/url]":2qbg1eph]This is the internet. I can't force all of you to be right.

We're already right. The 360 controller is not badly designed; you're using it wrong

 

[iconmaster]

My guess is if all you played were first-person shooters, having the right thumbstick mirror the left's placement would be more advantageous. But not all games are first-person shooters.

I think the Xbox arrangement is quite nice given the variety of games it has to support.

Edit: I forgot what the Wii Controller Pro's arrangement was. It just deprecates both sticks. Not relevant.

 

[Magus`]

iconmaster[/url]":2qj1shk3]My guess is if all you played were first-person shooters, having the right thumbstick mirror the left's placement would be more advantageous.

One could argue that the right stick should move up for that, but you wouldn't shift the left stick down, or you get the same problems.

 

[usku]

Psion[/url]":10scwsty]

usku[/url]":10scwsty]
Fail at quoting. Just like fox news.

No, the rest of your quote was irrelevant to my point. You deliberately incited flames by juvenile trollbait shit like "some people are delusional over the 360 controller" as opposed to "I prefer the PS3 one, even though I know most of you here prefer the 360 one." See the difference?

"I'm not _____ but," style posting does not actually absolve you.


Let me be clear: I don't give a damn what controller you like. I do, however, find your shitty posting to be, well, shitty.

The point. You missed it.
Regardless of how I worded my request, people would have dog piled on my choice.
It was tongue in cheek.
To state that I am not intending to start a flame war, and then being inciting one in the same sentence. Which is why I only quoted the one sentence instead of the whole damn post.

I am sorry you missed that.

So I'll be more clear for you.
I realize I am in the minority for my controller preference. I realize that most people at Ars prefer the Xbox 360 controller. I realize that by merely stating my preference for the PS 3 controller will bring out both derision and questions as to why.

My intent was to have fun with it. Because life is to god damn short not to.

I am sorry you missed that.
Whats your excuse for being an asshole in a thread that you really had nothing to contribute to aside from attacking how I went about it posting it? Most other people seemed to realize that, and more then a few people had fun with it.

Except you. You decided to be a prick over it, for whatever reason. Maybe your just trying to have fun too, and I am missing it?
Did you want to talk about? We could start something in the lounge?

Yes. The god damn thread was trollish. It wasn't personal, or directed at anyone. I knew I was going to be beat mercilessly over my choice. No body got personal.

Except you.

 

[bigkoss]

Garbage in, garbage out.

 

[Magus`]

usku[/url]":15m893sj]life is to god damn short

*too

usku[/url]":15m893sj]Maybe your just trying

*you're

 

[Onyx]

Sorry Shudder, I think I repeated your point. You summed things up well.

Until the next debate on controllers that are about to be phased out.

 

[nastro]

The NES Advantage made a good weapon. It was heavy.

The turbo knob was nice. Since it was impossible to tap those buttons at Track and Field speeds, the turbo was necessary, too.

 

[usku]

Magus`[/url]":17t30hmc]

usku[/url]":17t30hmc]life is to god damn short

*too

usku[/url]":17t30hmc]Maybe your just trying

*you're

Your not going too get me with you're crazy talk.

 

[Trilby]

Onyx[/url]":1ui822qv]

Trilby[/url]":1ui822qv]The sticks are offset so that the most natural hand position gives you one thumb on the left stick and one over the buttons.

But if those are the "sweet" spots for thumbs it would be better to have the right stick high for all those shooters and other camera swinging third-person games. You need to change your quick action button from A to the Y, but otherwise symmetrical would be ideal on those types of games. However Krimhorn mentioned something about having movement and camera on the same plane as more difficult for the brain to process, which is something I hadn't heard of and would have to think more about, but for me they're already separate sides and thumbs which I thought gave me good enough feel for how each is different.

All games use the buttons, not everything (non-shooters) makes such heavy use of the right stick. Hence the reason buttons get precedence.

Never tried a Wii U, can't speak to their choices but it certainly looks like a different controller overall.

 

[Shudder]

Onyx: You're good

I still think the majority of most people's games will be stick movement and button presses, which is why the 360 stays the way it is. It would be cool to see a 1st party controller that allows you to drop in the button/sticks into whatever socket you want.

 

[Covenant]

I don't mind the offset thumb sticks...mostly because I have large(ish) sized hands.

When I'm on the PS3 sometimes my thumbs will crash into each other...especially during FPS matches when I'm trying to strafe/circle around a target. With the Xbox controller that never happens.

Still... I can see the desire for options when it comes to controller size. A friend of mine has Muscular Dystrophy so the Xbox controllers are way too big for him, but the Playstation controllers are a good fit.

Maybe you should get one of those adapters that lets you hook up a mouse/keyboard to the game system. I want to try one of those.