Without evidence, RFK Jr.’s vaccine panel tosses Heb B vaccine recommendation

There is no data supporting a delay and no evidence of harm from a birth dose.

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[AFarmingGuy]

Maybe once babies start getting sick and dying, those parents will finally realize their ignorance and why we do healthcare the way we do. And if they don't... well, natural selection will march on. It's too bad those babies will never have a fair chance at survival, it's definitely not their fault.

Sadly, they won’t. Evidenced by the parents that still refuse to vaccinate their children even in the midst of the recent measles outbreak in both the US and Canada.

 

[thrillgore]

There is no simpler explanation than the current powers that be want unregulated die-off to maintain their wealth.

I am just waiting for the first country to impose Vaccine requirements for entry on US Citizens.

 

[sonicmerlin]

This makes me feel ill. I can never forgive people who supported MAGA.

 

[tlhIngan]

There is no simpler explanation than the current powers that be want unregulated die-off to maintain their wealth.

I am just waiting for the first country to impose Vaccine requirements for entry on US Citizens.

The whole plan is to keep people poor. It's why they want to force people to bring babies to term (no abortions). Then they want them to get hurt, expensively, as much as possible (no gun control). Hopefully they get some disease that cripples them for life (no vaccines). Meanwhile, you're paying through the nose for their care (no universal healthcare). The goal is to make sure you do not have money. You will own nothing (50 year mortgages). You will be happy to rent from the rich (JD Vance among others own real estate companies and mortgage lenders)

As for vaccine requirements, many countries already do as conditions for travel. Usually as part of your visa application.

 

[poenn]

So much winning everywhere you look. Bestest administration ever!

 

[rjd185]

Fuck. I hate this timeline.

I'm so tired of grifters in power ruining DECADES of science because they don't like <whatever the worm in their brain says is bad today>. So many people in 20-30 years will face an illness that ONE person destroyed the defense against, and this is all because of the US allowing the electing of a felon.

Fuck!!!!!!

It’s not that the US allows election of a felon - ‘Trump’ could happen without convictions.

The majority electorate in the US chose this - walked your nation into all of this, freely, democratically, and with foreknowledge available if desired.

My commiserations to those who did not and those who innocently suffer as a result.

 

[graylshaped]

This makes me feel ill. I can never forgive people who supported MAGA.

At least it only makes you feel ill. A measurable number of infants will actually become ill as a result of this and bear the negative impact for their entire life.

 

[graylshaped]

We should test ahead of time rather than treat everyone as if they had been exposed.

Great answer! Even better, since by the time they test positive they will actually have the disease, for the cost of the test they could receive the vaccine with what is no discernible risk!

/muttering at the rationalizers....

 

[klarg]

Evidence. We don’t need no stinking evidence.

 

[RunUpHill]

The Death Panel has spoken.

 

[MedicalGeek]

One of the interesting, at least to me, things about insurance is that it's motivated by money. Strongly motivated, one might say. In this case, I'm sure they're calculating how much the shot would cost versus the potential costs of caring for someone with the disease. It's interesting how the insurance company's motivation to keep you healthy for a minimum cost generally aligns with our best interests.

Of course, I say that, then I'll have a depressing conversation with my neighbor (who works for an insurance company) about how they deny care to people for various things. So, IDK. Your mileage may vary. But at least on paper, you'd think it would be a no brainer to support vaccines.

Unfortunately the insurance that pays for the preventative care (including but not limited to vaccines) almost never get the savings from lower healthcare costs later. So they’re not very interested in paying for preventative care unless legally forced to. “Line must go up” wins.

 

[nivedita]

Yes, the Canadian recommendations are to vaccinate at birth where there is an infant vaccine program or if the mother has a positive test. Whether only some or all of the provinces have programs to vaccinate at birth, i.e. before 2 months after birth, as was previously claimed to be the Canadian recommendation, seems not irrelevant to the argument, doesn’t it? My point was to stick to discussions of the actual recommendations, which are much more nuanced and dependent on specific circumstances than what is typically used to descend into some random political rant.

But what you actually stated had none of that nuance or relevant information, so it was an odd comment if that was what you wanted to emphasize.

 

[morgenrot]

But what you actually stated had none of that nuance or relevant information, so it was an odd comment if that was what you wanted to emphasize.

Haha, yes, all that nuance was not in my first comment because it diluted my main point, which was that the statement I responded to (“In Canada it’s two months and always has been“) is incorrect. And I did provide the relevant information for why I believe that this general statement is incorrect. Your response citing the details of what is recommended in Canada and where, provided a good context to add the that nuance.

 

[Them_Bones]

This is what happens when you trade Anthony Fauci for Robert Felchi.

 

[JoHBE]

I hope somewhere in America, right now, a "Simon Wiesenthal" type is taking notes and meticulously preparing at least 5 different paths to make the rest of their lives as totally miserable as possible. And hopelly those paths aren't mutually exclusive. It would be a passionate labour of love, if it would be me.

 

[JoHBE]

I think it’s a combination of true believers and grift - mostly grift. RFKJr. and most of the people on the panel scam money from those they’ve convinced that actual medicine is a con - they sell books, have podcasts, sell “supplements”, whatever. To what extent they actually believe the idiocy is unknown.

Why is this tolerated or even encouraged by those above them in the administration? It feeds the base, reduces trust in science and expertise, and degrades the functioning of the (formerly apolitical) aspects of the government, all of which gives them more power to reshape things to their liking.

Edit: quote the post I was replying to, which for some reason I didn’t notice was missing

Depending on how much evil genius you assign to the architects of this destruction, it really is a no-loss longterm strategic move. If they get away with it, they get away with it, and trust in government institutions is eroded further. If everything is systematically turned back by the next administration, even without other consequences for the people responsible for the clusterfuck, that is ideally set up to claim it's all "political". So you get the same effect, or even better! If, on top of that, the directly responsible people actually get to suffer serious consequences, the actual architects will gladly throw them under the buss since it would be like throwing TNT soaked with gasoline onto the "it's al political" fire. It seems to be very hard to defend against this. Or more in general, once enough evil people acquire enough strategic positions of power in politics and media, it's really complicated to turn things around democratically, because they essentially control the perception of too many people.

 

[JoHBE]

"Gold standard" now means whatever the Gilded Calf, Trump, approves.

It's just one in a long list of reputable and informative terms they - very deliberately it now seems more and more - captured and corrupted for their own gains. It's part of the carpet-bombing of reasonable honest civilized discourse. Viewed from abroad, they have been astonishingly effective.

 

[DarthSlack]

We should test ahead of time rather than treat everyone as if they had been exposed.

Since you seem to be completely ignorant on the subject, let me lay down some education on you. Hepatitis B, the subject of this article, can survive on surfaces for up to 7 days. Which makes the testing you're suggesting we do beyond pointless. And highlight just how depraved and indifferent to human life the ignorami running HHS and CDC actually are.

Do you really want to be carrying water for jackasses like that?

 

[JMTronicHobbyist]

I genuinely don't understand what the endgame is for putting all these incompetent and inexperienced people in positions of power. I realize the general administration's MO is simply back scratching and corruption, but how does any of this help even them? Does someone stand to benefit from the increased infections and death that are sure to come?

The more miserable and poor everyone is the more desperate we will be to break our backs working for the crumbs falling off the billionaires' tables. And there are just more people than are needed to grant the wishes of the billionaires, using up the natural resources that billionaires need, so thinning the herd is a sacrifice the billionaires are willing to make.

Yeah, I'm cynical.

 

[terrydactyl]

What bothers me most is not these nuts in charge, but a large swath of Americans that are, at best, indifferent to this debacle. It may not be a majority, but in some places it is enough to reelect the politicians who support this garbage.

That line from Blazing Saddles was prescient, "These are people of the land. The common clay of the West. You know... morons"

 

[rhgedaly]

RFK Jr walks into a doctor's office. Doctor asks, "What seems to be the problem?" Worm replies, "Doctor, I got myself stuck inside this 200-lb shitbag and can't get out!"

 

[Anton Longshot]

All that BS and why?
Let me tell you: an INTENSE FEAR OF NEEDLES, that's why.
And as they cannot admit they're childish cowards they just invent reasons why everyone should avoid injections. Especially children! - psychology 101...
I'd pity the fools and their supporters if their actions weren't so harmful.

 

[Nogami]

Let it forever be renamed "Kennedy's disease" to honour his stupidity.

I think Republicanitiss sounds more appropriate.

 

[RZetopan]

The Three Stooges are running the Department of Health

Don't forget the brain worm(s)!

 

[RZetopan]

I genuinely don't understand what the endgame is for putting all these incompetent and inexperienced people in positions of power. I realize the general administration's MO is simply back scratching and corruption, but how does any of this help even them? Does someone stand to benefit from the increased infections and death that are sure to come?

Their ultimate goal is to destroy the government so thoroughly that they can replace it with a theocracy of their choosing. Read Project 2025! This is the American Taliban in charge.

 

[RZetopan]

Maybe once babies start getting sick and dying, those parents will finally realize their ignorance and why we do healthcare the way we do. And if they don't... well, natural selection will march on. It's too bad those babies will never have a fair chance at survival, it's definitely not their fault.

Some parents have already shown that they don't actually care what happens to their children.
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/03/20/texas-measles-family-gaines-county-death/

 

[RZetopan]

So this is the death panels the GOP was warning about?

Every accusation made by the GQP is a confession.

 

[Tonkaman]

So this is the death panels the GOP was warning about?

They were concerned about PUBLIC death panels. Private death panels are just called insurance companies.

 

[WhatDoesTheFoxSay]

MAGA must be stopped.

 

[Juggernaut_408]

Republicans have chosen going the dodo bird route. Stupidity, corruption and lies reign supreme in the Republican Party.

 

[mpotter1024]

The thing is US Gen Z voted for this and all the other stupidity when in this case they seem to be the next generation having babies. Is interesting many Gen Z in countries around the world have forced regime change away from dictators and their ilk yet US Gen Z voted one in. Go figure.

 

[dagar9]

This is what happens when you trade Anthony Fauci for Robert Felchi.

I don't know who Robert Felchi is, and I'm not gonna ask if he's where the term "felching" came from.

 

[Epke]

Pro-life! until born.

 

[Wybaar]

Which is a very long-winded way of getting to my point: RFK Jr might very well sue but we're beyond the point where suing to bully is likely to get anyone to submit. So it'd go to a real court. Where RFK Jr would lose, since those institutions still primarily evaluate facts

But then Junior appeals it to the Supreme Court, where who knows what the Injustices would do. [But given their stellar track record so far , I wouldn't hold my breath.] If they delayed getting the case decided, they could hope that once Trump is out of office the next President could have a shot at replacing a few of the Injustices with people who might actually care about the law.

At that point, the government might just decide to drop the case, or if it was a red state's AG that sued (glaring at you, Florida and Texas) the appeal to the Supreme Court may go IMO the right way.

 

[Damian78]

Their ultimate goal is to destroy the government so thoroughly that they can replace it with a theocracy of their choosing. Read Project 2025! This is the American Taliban in charge.

EXACTLY. Dominionism is the whole point. Trump's antics are a convenient distraction from the fact the rest of his party intend to turn the US into a theocratic dictatorship that will make Gilead look kind.

 

[GCamomescro]

Forgive me if I'm ignorant on this, but... since it's a recommendation, can the healthcare professionals who know* better just ...ignore it and do what's best in their medical opinion? "Fuck 'em" works both ways, sometimes.

*original said 'do' which I guess although not incorrect is a weird way of wording that.

Generally, yes, but it DOES affect health insurance decisions (whether it's covered or not) and reinforces the anti-vaxxers.

 

[SubWoofer2]

View attachment 123663
From https://www.canada.ca/en/public-hea...tive-vaccines/page-7-hepatitis-b-vaccine.html

Liar.

Thanks for the research. pkirvan is a disinformation account. You can <Ignore> the account.

 

[SubWoofer2]

Babies who are delivered vaginally come out their mother’s vagina.

When the baby comes out of the mother’s vagina, they are covered in the mother’s vaginal secretions.

If the mother has hepatitis B, it will be present in those vaginal secretions.

Since the baby is exposed to those vaginal secretions, they are at risk of contracting hepatitis B.

Fortunately if the hepatitis B vaccine is administered soon enough (like in the first 24 hours), then the baby will not contract hepatitis B even if the mother has it. In a perfect world, no mother would have hepatitis B, but we don’t live in a perfect world. I suppose we could screen every mother for hepatitis B and only vaccinate the babies that they deliver, but that is more time consuming and there is more likelihood for mistakes. The safer, easier, less expensive, more effective method is to just give every newborn the vaccine.

Two candidates IMO for a pinned post: your post, and the commentary that non-USA countries that mandate day-of-birth immunisation are like the USA in that they have high rates of Hep B, and therefore are the right baseline for comparison.

Put another way, the Immunise-at-Birth policy is driven by a large % infected-population, and the US has decided to not do that any more even though they are a member of the large % infected-population club. Weird, eh?

Note to self: must follow the money trail.